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Why is halal slaughter considered so bad?>islam sees animals as beings with soul who believe in god, and considers their suffering, unlike christianity >animals are not allowed to see the slaughter of each other >slaughtered animal can not see the knife at all, it has it's eyes covered during procedure >the knife is perfectly sharp, the animal loses consciousness quickly, and does not panic >if animal panics before slaughter, it is sent back to herd
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>>1981696 Immediate brain death is better.
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>>1981699 Even that is debatable. Do you think that the experience of dying is bad? There are proofs that a dying brain experiences great pleasure and peace. Maybe disturbing the brain with electricity just takes this last peace from a dying creature away.
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>>1981701 I think he's talking about shooting it, which achieves the same effect.
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>>1981701 whatever converts this animal into food faster
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>>1981701 >There are proofs that a dying brain experiences great pleasure and peace anecdotal, but i remember reading an article where a young woman was killed (slowly) by a bear in russia and called her mother while she was being eaten alive. at the end she was saying stuff like "it doesn't hurt anymore, i'm gonna be okay mom" (or something). i'm sure the initial trauma is extremely unpleasant -- for a human at least, i want to sidestep the whole nociception meme -- but i have no problem believing the very last moments prior to dying is quite pleasant. anyone who's ever smoked DMT can probably speak with the same degree of certainty. i think it's entirely possible that you never actually subjectively die and instead experience drug-induced time dilation indefinitely.
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>>1981701 >There are proofs that a dying brain experiences great pleasure and peace. That's religious hogwash if ever I've heard it.
>>1981696 The "problem" with it is 2 fold.
1. No one wants to fund muslim organisations.
2. Stunning the brain has been considered the most effective way to kill without causing suffering to the animal. You say that it's done quickly and causes no panic. How about killing a million cows that way? I think it's inherently a slower method.
But mostly it's cause people don't want muslim food.
Anonymous
>>1981711 >That's religious hogwash if ever I've heard it. Actualy that was the only scientific thing I mentioned in my post. It was study done on dying rats.
From a friend experiencing near death I heard similar things (drowning).
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>>1981714 "citation needed"
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>>1981711 >That's religious hogwash if ever I've heard it. it's been proven that (when sufficiently intact) the brain releases large amounts of a potent psychedelic called DMT when it's almost time for lights out. it's hard to objectively describe the (intensely personal) effects of the drug, but it's worth reading up on if you're interested. it really does explain a lot of the "unexplained" phenomena associated with death and near death experiences. out of body experiences, your "life flashing before your eyes", that sort of thing.
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>>1981714 >(drowning) Found the anon who claimed that drowning was a good way to die a few weeks ago.
Ausfag
>>1981719 In those cases were their necks being cut with a blade?
Anonymous
>>1981722 It was done by co2 suffocation, I think the test would have never been allowed otherwise by the test commitee.
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>>1981722 as far as i know (i'm no expert), there is no conditional -- i'm sure it's hard for your brain to release the chemical if it's been completely disintegrated or to some degree structurally disrupted, but your pineal gland will release the drug before death. the chemical is produced by an immense variety of life on this planet
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>>1981725 >It was done by co2 suffocation So one of the least painful ways to die?
Anonymous
>>1981696 In Sweden, halal slaughter can only be carried out after the animal has been stunned by a bolt gun, making it essentially the same as normal slaughter.
Kosher, however, is completely illegal here, since it doesn't allow the use of bolt guns.
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>>1981728 Debatable, some argue the animals experience great deal of stress and panic, and the suffocation being painful too.
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The issue people have with it (here in the UK anyway) is that it isn't supposed to include shocking. However a study by I think food standards found 80-90% of Halal slaughtered animals were stunned anyway.
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>>1981733 >If they don't know how their food gets on their plate they don't deserve to whinge about different methods or eat meat at all, imo. I agree, but I think if you don't know how to build a computer CPU, write machine language, code binary, or make a server you shouldn't be using the internets.
ignorant people benefit from the knowledge of others whether they know it or not.
Regarding slaughter in the West, we use a captive bolt gun for the safety of the worker, not for the comfort of the animal. Presumably exsanguination from a slit carotid is extremely quick and comfortable. We just can't have cows and pigs thrashing around hurting humans while they die. The public labors under the mistaken notion that stunning is for the animals' benefit, and we don't really try to disabuse them of this notion.
Anonymous
I don't care. Meat is meat, even if it's halal.
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I nearly drowned once. Got to the point where I lost consciousness and would have died had I not been rescued+given CPR.
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>>1981763 Careful. If you keep it upside down like that, all the water will pour out.
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>>1981794 >It was incredibly painful it's possible you just have a very low tolerance for pain. Or that you're confusing emotional disturbance with physical pain.
or that you're lying.
Herps N Derps !SNAKESVk0w
>>1981802 Nigger, go fucking waterboard yourself and tell me how good it feels. Fuck you. Drowning fucking hurts. Water does not belong in your goddamn lungs.
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>>1981807 I think we covered this last time.
you're unconscious before water enters your lungs.
so you're lying. which is a reasonable explanation for why you think drowning is painful while plenty of people that have actually tried it didn't.
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>>1981811 >you're unconscious before water enters your lungs. Literally one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.
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>>1981816 >Upon water entering the airways, both conscious and unconscious persons experience laryngospasm, in which the larynx or the vocal cords in the throat constrict, sealing the airway. This prevents water from entering the lungs. Because of this laryngospasm, in the initial phase of drowning, water enters the stomach and very little water enters the lungs. Though laryngospasm prevents water from entering the lungs, it also interferes with breathing. In most persons, the laryngospasm relaxes some time after unconsciousness and water can enter the lungs causing a "wet drowning". However, about 7–10% of people maintain this seal until cardiac arrest.[11] This has been called "dry drowning", as no water enters the lungs. Herps N Derps !SNAKESVk0w
>>1981811 I took a big ass fucking gulp of water trying to get air as i terrifiedly, desperately tried to reach the surface. I lost consciousness soon after that, but it certainly wasn't instantaneous.
Seriously, go fucking inhale some water, preferably salt water, do it and tell me how good it feels. It's awful.
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>>1981821 it's physically impossible for you to inhale water while you're conscious.
and while you may not enjoy drowning, I doubt you found it physically painful. The only painful part is holding your breath, and that's really not that bad.
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>>1981820 Wow, it's so cool how you can read Wikipedia!
Some amount of water did enter my lungs when I inhaled, as I was coughing it up for hours after. Probably not a lungful, but as anyone who has choked can tell you, anything in your lungs that shouldn't be there is a problem.
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>>1981826 >Wow, it's so cool how you can read Wikipedia! it is apparently slightly more than you or ausfag is capable of.
have you considered the possibility that the water entered your lungs after unconsciousness?
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>>1981820 >water in the lungs indicates that the person was still alive at the point of submersion. Absence of water in the lungs may be either a dry drowning or indicates a death before submersion I can link to wikipedia as well you stupid fuck. You didn't understood what it said. People breathe in the water FIRST and then they swallow/try to cough it up and end up breathing more in.
You don't fall unconscious before you breathe in water. That's like saying you can hold your breathe and make yourself unconscious.
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>>1981827 >>1981827 Bitch, you can't even fucking read what you linked to. WHEN YOU BREATHE WATER INTO THE LUNGS, THEN YOUR AIRWAY SEALS UP, NOT BEFORE.
Idiot.
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>>1981829 >>water in the lungs indicates that the person was still alive at the point of submersion. notice that alive doesn't equal conscious.
>you stupid fuck ah, irony.
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>>1981835 >WHEN YOU BREATHE WATER INTO THE LUNGS, THEN YOUR AIRWAY SEALS UP, NOT BEFORE. when water enters the airway.
please tell me you know the difference between the airway and the lungs.
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>>1981827 Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong and drowning isn't actually as nice as you think it is instead of telling people who nearly died that way that their experiences are mistaken?
Also, I had several surgeries on my throat around that age due to congenital anatomical issues, though I don't know what they were because people don't generally explain that sort of thing to 4 year olds.
>>1981829 This is a good point, as well.
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>>1981837 Are you actually fucking retarded or are you just trolling
>Absence of water in the lungs may be either a dry drowning or indicates a death before submersion >>1981838 >when water enters the airway And goes into the lungs.
Please never become a doctor. You're a fucking idiot.
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>>1981840 >instead of telling people who nearly died that way that their experiences are mistaken? I don't think you're mistaken,
I think you're LYING.
>>1981842 >>Absence of water in the lungs may be either a dry drowning or indicates a death before submersion neither of those statements has anything to do with water in the lungs. What's your point?
>And goes into the lungs. no, the airway is sealed as soon as water enters the airway, preventing water from entering the lungs.
as the quote very clearly says twice in a row.
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>>1981846 I don't really have a reason to lie about this. In fact, if I were going to lie, I'd tell you it doesn't hurt at all in the hopes that you'd go jump off a bridge or something.
Since you like Wikipedia so much:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulmonary_aspiration All this reading kind of made me realize my parents really should have taken me to the hospital after I almost died. Kind of bumming me out.
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>>1981846 "Water Inhaling. Any sort of inhaling of water, including a near-drowning, can result in fluid in the lungs. Emergency medical attention can help relieve the pressure."
Wow 5 seconds of googling.
"When taken into the lungs, both salt and fresh water have the effect of washing out surfactant, the thin coating which bathes the inside of the lungs. The loss of surfactant creates breathing problems of its own, including pulmonary edema, fluid in the lung tissue, which can in turn bring on ARDS, or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Signs and symptoms of ARDS include shortness of breath and wheezing."
Anonymous
>>1981851 Interesting reading, but it doesn't say anything about drowning.
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>>1981853 are you stoned?
I didn't say you can't inhale water.
I said you can't inhale water while conscious.
your quotes don't say anything about that.
Honestly it's this kind of lack of reading comprehension that makes me doubt you ever went to college at all.
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>>1981855 You're arguing semantics by basing your opinion solely on a Wikipedia article. If you can't see how stupid that is, nothing will help you.
Also "very little water enters the lungs." Does not equal no water enters the lungs and it's on your precious Wikipedia page.
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One interesting thing about my experience is that while people usually compare death to a DMT trip for some reason, I found it to be a lot closer to either anesthesia or a high-dosage ketamine trip ( which are basically the same).
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>>1981859 >You're arguing semantics no, I'm arguing mechanics.
calm down, bugguy.
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>>1981859 I never said a ton of water entered my lungs either, since I'd be dead if that were the case according to nearly every source I can find since I didn't get any treatment afterwards.
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>>1981863 I've come close to dying twice, my life flashed before my eyes once.
interestingly it wasn't the time I drowned.
Presumably you don't get the DMT because you're unconscious at least 4 minutes before you die.
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>>1981868 I would also suggest that, being 4, i didn't have much life to "flash before my eyes".
Even so, I wouldn't say that descriptor is close to any psychedelic trip I've experienced.
It's a silly thing to debate really, like the people who think DMT is solely responsible for dreaming.
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>>1981859 "In approximately 7% to 10% of drowning victims, little or no fluid is aspirated into the lungs because of induction of severe laryngospasm, where as the rest aspirate fluid"
Ps I looked through the scientific paper under the quote you listed. What a surprise, that quote was not mentioned once in the paper. It was hand written by someone else.
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>>1981864 "If water enters the airways of a conscious person, the person will try to cough up the water or swallow it, thus inhaling more water involuntarily. Upon water entering the airways, both conscious and unconscious persons experience laryngospasm, in which the larynx or the vocal cords in the throat constrict, sealing the airway. This prevents water from entering the lungs. Because of this laryngospasm, in the initial phase of drowning, water enters the stomach and very little water enters the lungs. Though laryngospasm prevents water from entering the lungs, it also interferes with breathing. In most persons, the laryngospasm relaxes some time after unconsciousness and water can enter the lungs causing a "wet drowning"
This whole paragraph has NO scientific citations.
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>>1981873 Thank you for reading through that, that's actually very interesting.
Maybe drowning is different for that 10%, and that's probably the reason we're even debating this.
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Why do you tards always get into 200 post off topic babbling.
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>>1981879 Just contributed a personal experience since it was being discussed, it's not really my fault some asshole comes in and accuses me of lying.
For the record, I think this thread belongs more on the cooking board than on this board, and I would like to encourage the OP to repost it there. It would get a lot more on-topic responses.
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>>1981871 >being 4, i didn't have much life to "flash before my eyes". it's possible that, being 4, your memory of the event is distorted.
>>1981873 it wasn't a quote.
are you stoned? seriously I want to know if you're stoned or just stupid.
>>1981875 >This whole paragraph has NO scientific citations yes, citations for well-known facts are difficult to find.
>>1981879 >Why do you tards always get into 200 post off topic babbling because bugguy is only the worst of the trolls. There are four or five more just like him and you can see three of them right here.
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>>1981903 >yes, citations for well-known facts are difficult to find 10/10 Trolling.
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>>1981760 Okay if we're assuming those analogies are equal (maybe a bit far fetched) I guess it's a bit quick to say they shouldn't eat meat, but they certainly shouldn't try and join in debates and hurl insults around when they don't understand the process.
I can imagine the bolt goes some way to disabling any feeling of the animal as it's nerve based, rather than vessel based like the carotid.
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>>1981825 What function of the body, in your mind, is stopping us from being able to inhale water while conscious?
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>>1981905 >I can imagine the bolt goes some way to disabling any feeling of the animal as it's nerve based, rather than vessel based like the carotid. I'd guess they're both pretty quick.
the bolt isn't always effective, the user misses fairly often.
Cutting the carotid immediately causes loss of blood pressure to the brain, which in humans results in nearly instantaneous loss of consciousness.
>>1981906 I already listed the function. Or rather Wikipedia did.
complete constriction of the throat that begins when water enters the airway and persists until the victim becomes dead or unconscious.
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>>1981912 And I pointed out that's complete horse shit and the quote used was non scientific
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>>1981918 >I pointed out that's complete horse shit and the quote used was non scientific you pointed out that you don't know what a quote is and you get angry when facts disagree with your worldview.
neither of which is particularly surprising to anyone that's been here more than a week.
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I'm not necessarily against halal slaughter just the way it's forced on us. I'm Australian and I've noticed a pretty ridiculous rise in halal certified foods. I'd be okay with it if these brands offered a non halal option but they don't. I feel as though these muslims are forcing their religion on everyone and it just really annoys me because if we went to any of their countries and said, "hey you gotta have beef in your food because some guy I've never met and never had a real conversation with said so" we'd get the crap beaten out of us or end being executed. I believe in equality and all but muslims aren't for that so I tend to be against a lot of their practices. As for the actual slaughter, the end result is the always the same, the animal is dead. I think if you really cared that much you'd be raising your own animals free range, with toys and treats and shit and when it comes time to slaughter you'd give them an injection. Lethal injection, in my opinion, is literally the only truly humane way to kill an animal and even then you're still taking their life away for your own personal gain so it's still pretty cruel.
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>>1981922 *I meant pork not beef fuck.
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>>1981918 I'll give you a hint:
I quoted Wikipedia.
Wikipedia didn't quote its sources.
Wikipedia cites its sources, but rarely quotes them.
you didn't realize the Wikipedia statement wasn't a quote, so you went looking for it in the cited (but not quoted!) material.
this is a pretty silly noob mistake, and I don't think you're completely uneducated. So I assume either you're stoned, drunk, or I was mistaken and you actually are 12 years old.
either way, it's boring. Not an interesting argument you present. You don't know what a quote is so I'm wrong? Pretty weak.
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I came a bit close to drowning when I was a child. It was honestly very peaceful. I stopped trying to hold my breath after trying and failing to swim to the surface and just inhaled, it was cold but didn't hurt (hurt like hell coming back up, though), and I was just watching the sun hit the surface of the water above me like, "huh, that's really pretty." My vision started to get dark around the edges, then someone pulled me out of the pool.
Anonymous
>>1981925 that was my experience as well.
the drowning part was fine after I stopped panicking.
Being resuscitated was painful, so was the cough that I had for weeks after.
Ausfag
>>1981924 So you have no scientific basis for anything you've said and you're wrong.
Idiot.
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>>1981929 I didn't say anything, I quoted Wikipedia.
if you want to pretend Wikipedia has no scientific basis for what it says and it's wrong go right ahead.
Hell, if you want you can go argue it with them, but they'll probably just laugh at you and ask you if you're stoned.
Anonymous
>>1981696 wait...
Islam thinks animals believe in a god ??
Please tell me this isn't reality.
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>>1981696 Islam is a religion of terror OP, just because they humanely slaughter an animal doesn't mean they won't fuck a goat, or behead a child. Religion of peace my ass.
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How about not killing animals at all?
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>>1982365 It's all about mixing politics and religion. Never should happen.
Anonymous
>>1982374 Don't be ridiculous the petty pleasures of humans is much more important than the agony of animals.
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>>1982365 They just enjoy the fuk out of killing living anything with knives.
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>animals don't see each other dying >if it panics it gets sent back to the herd >they cover the eyes Yeah no. I've been to one of these mass slaughterings.
>>1981825 Also no. I used to be an EMT and we pulled out a guy from a lake. This dude was blue at that point but we tried anyway even though we were all sure he was dead. Not breathing, no pulse. But lo behold my buddy got him back and eventually when he calmed down, what he described was fucking horrifying. Unrelated but some ass who had been recording everything showed him the video of him dead and being revived. Pretty sure he's going to need therapy since seeing yourself dead, he didn't take it very well.
Anonymous
>>1981863 Is anesthesia like this for some people? I've gone under for surgeries three times and there was no gradual "shutting down" process at all. It's literally just like you blink your eyes and are suddenly somewhere else, in a completely different position. It's not even similar to falling asleep, where sometimes you can feel your consciousness slowly slipping away.
Anonymous
>>1982357 Islam says animals follow the roles Allah gave to them, which is unique to all species. They are muslim in their ways, and submit to God.
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>>1982374 Absolutely impossible.
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>>1982464 >Yeah no. Then it was not halal.
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>>1981760 >knowing about slaughter methods is the same as being able to build incredibly complex computer hardware from scratch Anonymous
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>>1982449 Fuck you.
FUCK YOU I can't fucking do this anymore god fucking DAMN IT. FUCK you for making me go vegetarian this is the cherry on the shit sundae that is my life. I don't have time enough left in the world to make penance for all the animals I've killed by extension god fucking damnit FUCK
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>>1982374 get the fuck out of here you gluten free vegan scum
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dart/bullet/knife to the brainstem, hang to bleed
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>>1981708 They say that the pineal gland releases a lot of DMT when dying.
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>>1982378 >ironically posting a horsey comic Walk into a knife
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>>1981708 >i think it's entirely possible that you never actually subjectively die and instead experience drug-induced time dilation indefinitely. I have thought the same for years.
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>>1981701 >a dying brains feels pleasure and peace Mudshits, everyone
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>>1983056 Lurk properly. Also I am not religious but am very interested in how different religions handle animals.
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>>1982574 Actualy having my throat cut doesn't scare me at all as death. What would scare me is being eaten alive, or skinned alive, falling from a great height, freezing to death or burning to crisp.
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>>1983144 People always get CO2 mixed up with CO.
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>>1981696 I'll put it this way.
I'd take a bolt gun shot to the head over having my throat sliced open whilst someone screams about their delusions of a higher power.
Summed up pretty well right?
So considering that I'd rather almost instantly kill something via. brain trauma (BSc Neuroscience student) because slicing its throat screaming god is great isn't really a fun way to go for anything.
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>>1981701 >a dying brain experiences great pleasure and peace Muslim science at its peak.
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>>1983174 Chickens still get their throats slit with no stunning.
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>>1983186 I think it's a size issue. You can just crack a chickens neck easily anyway. A giant ton cow??
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FUCK OFF MUZZIES
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>>1983186 Just like
>>1983201 said I think that's to do with size.
Jesus, imagine the mess if you bolt gunned a chickens head?
Besides the point watch a video of halal slaughter where the animal is writhing around having had its throat slit.
Watch another non-halal video (presuming the slaguhterer isn't a sadistic fucknut) it's literally zap and pop.
Yet again I'd take zap and pop over sliced throat.
Anonymous
>>1982464 >what he described was fucking horrifying. Please, do tell.
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>>1983221 I'm also pretty interested in said fucked up shit.
Anonymous
>>1983072 Freezing aint that horrifying, regards Northern finn
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>>1983394 Can confirm. You just feel really fucking sleepy, dopey, and warm and want to take off all your clothes and lie down and rest. You'd just pass out and die peacefully in your sleep.
I actually almost died this way too because I decided to walk several miles to my high school sweetheart's house in what turned out to be a blizzard. If I had to die I think it'd want to die of hypothermia. It's pretty nice, all things considered.
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>>1983432 yeah, both times I got hypothermia I didn't even notice until I started warming back up, that's when I started shaking uncontrollably and actually feeling cold.
the "i'm so cold" meme is actually from massive blood loss, as is the unquenchable thirst of the dying. basically, if you don't have much blood left, your body can't get any heat to your extremities.
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>>1981924 >stoned Lol, right-wingers
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>>1982473 So then I guess Allah gave the humans the job to be the psycho of the planet.
Fucking religion, man.
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>>1981696 This thread sucks and its topic.
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I thought maybe there would be more than two people actually discussing something.
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>>1984320 He died in less than a minute time. When do you see it in nature.
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>>1983213 If it is a non penetrative bolt that leaves the animal unconscious but alive it is still halal because the blood escapes the system.
It1s not kosher tough, but they realy should modernise kosher. As long as it bleeds out it should be fine.
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>>1984331 how is this effective they aren't in nature they are slaughtering it and it just jumps around
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>>1981730 it's similar here, law requires electric stunner first, then throat cut, which makes it no different from normal slaughter.
there are private businesses that slaughter livestock that can get exemptions, but these places are very rare, making specialty products, and the rspca encourages people to complain to the minister about them to reverse their exemption.
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>>1984331 Yes but we can do better. I agree that maybe these guys can't (maybe they don't have the tools).
But if it's just some ancient book that tells us to do it this way, fuck that book.
Anonymous
>>1981701 scientific reasoning for this is when youre about to die your brain goes into a state of panic and the only thing that is left is to flood yourself with the sense that 'everything is okay"
we all die happy
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>>1984884 Where does the "dying" part begin though? Initially you're likely going to go through a lot of pain as the normal something is wrong -reaction, then probably also through the mental processing of coming to terms with the fact that this is likely to be the end.
Personally I would just prefer to be done with it quickly. The only semi-serious accident I've been in (getting run over by a car on crosswalk) I just lost my consciousness and couldn't remember anything about it when I woke up in hospital.
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>>1981719 you're so full of shit please shut the fuck up or link at least some source
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>>1982470 Yeah, it's like that for me too. Like no time passed, don't remember falling asleep or anything.
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>>1985129 It really depends on a lot of factors how gradual it is. I've had multiple surgeries and only a few have been slow fades. I did ask my anesthesiologist while I was being knocked out what they were giving me at each step, and the last word I heard before I suddenly woke up like an hour and a half later was "propofol". When I was younger, we still sometimes used sodium thiopental instead of propofol to knock people out, which was a much more gradual process of slowly drifting off to sleep and waking up later hungover and remaining so for a few days, unlike with propofol where you basically just time travel and open your eyes like "HEY DOC WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START THE SURGERY" then you look down and your organs are missing.
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>>1985135 Meant to say for the last surgical procedure I underwent I asked, not every time.
