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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 02:39:23 No.741315 View Reply Report Delete

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If Ninjutsu is the art of stealth, then what kind of martial arts do shinobi/ninja learn?

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 03:02:27 No.741317 Report Delete

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They learned to sit in izakaya which their target attended and eavesdrop and how to sit in a tree with a bow and arrow/musket until their target rode past then swallow poison regardless of the outcome.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 03:02:40 No.741318 Report Delete

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>>741315
none ninjitsu is a myth.

Want to fight like a modern ninja? Join the army.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 03:04:18 No.741319 Report Delete

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>>741318
>Join the army
Specifically, Special Forces Unit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 04:48:41 No.741331 Report Delete

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>>741315
the all black ninja suit comes from Noh plays where the guys handling all the props and backgrounds were wearing all black so they can be ignored. When one of those guys pulled a weapon and got involved in the actual play it was very unexpected, which was supposed in match the surprise of a hidden assassin popping out out of nowhere

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 05:58:20 No.741339 Report Delete

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXEkpV_cZM

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 07:03:49 No.741345 Report Delete

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>>741315
There really isn't alot of reliable information in English. While there were organizations that had some sort of learning syllabus which included some martial training, its not like they publicized themselves, so what we know is fragmentary.

We do know however, that those systems in the west that popularized themselves as ninjutsu or ninpo have no authentic connection to ninja or whatever training structure they might have used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 07:34:21 No.741348 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>741853 >>741859

>>741315
If ninja were to do assassinations, well, you don't murder people with martial arts, it would mostly be surprise attack / poison / killing people in their sleep.
Then again, all shinobi were fairly decent soldier-class, up to samurais, so it would be logical for them to have all the basics of armed and unarmed combat, depending on the region and the style that was practiced their.
Shinobi is a broad term for intelligence-guy, there wasn't a "shinobi-school" where all clans put up some kids to become shinobi. There were scouts and smartass, loyal and determined enough to do dirty work, so yeah, good soldiers or low-level samurais with enough under the belt.

I guess they all practiced some sort of yawara/jujutsu and some form of kenjutsu, but it would be idiotic to think they had a complete and formal training, with a dedicated curriculum and all.

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Anonymous Sun 04 Oct 2015 07:44:54 No.741350 Report Delete

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This comes from white people confusing 3 things:
1.) Chinese Kung Fu/Gung Fu, which means "practice" or "art"
2.) Japanese Martial Arts
3.) The purpose of Japanese espionage
Some Japanese in the 70s, and later some white people in the 80s took advantage of this confusion.
It's actually happening again in Korea and on the internet.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 15:54:34 No.741845 Report Delete

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>>741315

They properly learn same type of martial arts as samurai except that they are more pragmatic and fight dirty.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 16:09:26 No.741853 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>741858 >>742538 >>742661

>>741348
>there wasn't a "shinobi-school"
Uh yeah there were villages dedicated to training them, namely the Iga and Koga clans.
Of course there were generic soldiers sometimes sent on an intelligence/assassination mission, but professional ninjas were a thing too.

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 16:21:15 No.741858 Report Delete

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>>741853
I worked at Iga when I was younger
my skills with a box cutter were unmatched

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 16:29:32 No.741859 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>741871 >>743357

>>741348
I thought ninjas were a bunch of dirty peasants

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Anonymous Mon 05 Oct 2015 17:06:07 No.741871 Report Delete

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>>741859
Exactly as planned...

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Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2015 03:42:29 No.742538 Report Delete

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>>741853
>namely the Iga and Koga clans.
And do you think that clans during the middle of a massive clan war would let anyone join a spy-like school ?
It wasn't Hogwarts.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2015 07:14:14 No.742570 Report Delete

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>>742538
Yer a ninja Hiro.
私は何ですか?

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Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2015 07:47:10 No.742574 Report Delete

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>>742570
Fund it !

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Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2015 09:13:41 No.742585 Report Delete

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>>742538
They didn't just send kids in for training off the street. It was a clan thing, only the children born in the clan bloodlines were sent to be trained in the villages.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 Oct 2015 16:00:42 No.742661 Report Delete

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>>741853
That's closer to a tribal culture thing than a school per se.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2015 05:47:08 No.743357 Report Delete

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>>741859
how could peasants afford to dye fabric such dark shades?

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Anonymous Thu 08 Oct 2015 05:49:44 No.743358 Report Delete

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>>743357
They didn't

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Anonymous Wed 14 Oct 2015 23:42:49 No.746630 Report Delete

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>>741315

if you want to learn the art of stealth, enter the army and join a Special Forces program (Special Reconnaissance)

you will stalk and watch the enemy for days or even months, learn proper stealth technique and hone your skills with actual combat

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Anonymous Wed 14 Oct 2015 23:53:16 No.746633 Report Delete

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>>746630
>if you want to learn the art of stealth
>special reconnaissance

That's like saying "if you want to learn how to fight, just learn how to throw a left jab."

>you will stalk and watch the enemy for days or even months, learn proper stealth technique and hone your skills with actual combat
kek
How ever did you get so narrow minded?

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2015 04:11:35 No.746682 Report Delete

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Ninjutsu isn't even a thing. I don't know why it's considered as a some kind of martial art abroad.

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Anonymous Thu 15 Oct 2015 15:09:27 No.746848 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>747692 >>747693 >>747724

>>746633
>That's like saying "if you want to learn how to fight, just learn how to throw a left jab."

dude, do you even know about special reconnaissance?

it's about staying undetected and giving info about the enemy. do you think that shit is easy? you need to know to keep yourself hidden and without leaving tracks

sometimes you will even stay close to the enemy staying undetected

sure, you won't throw kunais to them

the point is that special forces use a lot of stealth techniques to do their job

even commando units have to use stealth when they have to assault a location

the world evolved son, you have to keep up with the times

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Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 18:44:06 No.747692 Report Delete

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>>746848
>the world evolved
spies have been doing all that shit since ancient times.

and that's what "ninja" literally were. medieval spies. they didn't wear all-black clothes because that would be retarded if you wanted to not be noticed. they'd most likely just wear ordinary peasant clothes like any peasant would as that would be most inconspicuous.

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Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 18:46:34 No.747693 Report Delete

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>>747692
>>746848
also, all soldiers are trained to be hidden to some extent. staying unnoticed is one of the most important combat skills. all soldiers use "stealth techniques".

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Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 20:26:31 No.747719 Report Delete

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>>747693

this

stealth is another useful tool used in war

it's ancient but useful

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Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 20:41:24 No.747724 Report Delete

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>>746848
>being this narrow minded
There's more to stealth than what your narrow minded view has to offer, like how there's more to fighting than a jab.

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Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2015 13:33:25 No.749437 Report Delete

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>>741315
ju-jutsu

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Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2015 16:55:22 No.749495 Report Delete

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>>741315

1.

Yes, Ninjutsu was real. There are famous Ninjas (or call them "Shinobi", if you prefer this term) like Hattori Hanzo, Ishikawa Goemon or serveral Clans who worked mercenary like.

Also we got literature like the Bansenshukai or the Shoniki:

>http://ninjutsu.robertk.com/Bansenshukai/contents.html
>http://www.ninpo.org/historicalrecords/shnnkmkrk.htm

These books already give a pretty good overview about the Ninja curriculum, at least at a certain point in history..

>what kind of martial arts do shinobi/ninja learn?

Today? I'd say:
1. Kyokushin because "Muh tough body excercises", the 10,000 differnt kicks and the "one hit, one kill" chops with the side of the hand..
2. Judo, because it contains a lot of the old JiuJitsu stuff
3. Aikido because "Muh fingerlocks" wich you need once in a lifetime, but IF can apply them they are great. Also chi protection.
4. KenJutsu or maybe something similar like Historical European Martial Arts or Filipino Martial Arts to get good with the balde as main weapon.
5. Hapkido because "muh 10,000 differnt weapons".
6. Capoeira Ninjas need to do be able to do hidden spinning wheel kicks from the handstand - don't ask me why, but they always do it..

Of course that's a very random list, there's much more stuff that would be usefull, like boxing or BJJ. Or shooting with big ass crossbows with poisoned arrows..

>inb4 medival east asian pipebomb

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Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2015 18:05:45 No.749530 Report Delete

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>>749495
>mfw autists actually believe this bullshit

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 10:10:35 No.750138 Report Delete

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>>741315
They supposedly developed "complete" systems but their attacks and maneuvers weren't as effective as they thought. Shinobi were supposed to be masters of the mind first, so once they had their enemy scared they could basically do a salsa dance and it would knock their enemy out through stress alone.

You also have to keep in mind that people were simpler and more naive/religious/superstitious back when Shinobi were operating regularly in Japan, so it was easier and more common to be able to trick folks into believing their voodoo/spiritual BS.

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