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anonymous Sun 11 Oct 2015 05:43:42 No.744560 View Reply Report Delete

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Hi, i've been bullied alot, and i was wonder if the sport called Aikido is the thing i should learn. I don't want to hurt anyone, but i want to be able to defend myself. I'm posting this on /asp/ forum, because i want tips to what sport i should start doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Oct 2015 05:57:05 No.744563 Report Delete

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>>744560
/asp/ in general is really anti-aikido because of preconceptions.

Honestly, Judo or Boxing are vastly superior options, Aikido typically isn't taught correctly in the west, regardless of style of Aikido.

But if you really have your heart set on Aikido, Yoshinkan style would be most effective for actual confrontation, it is structured more like Karate in teaching method.

But seriously consider Judo, BJJ and even wrestling because they teach significantly more effective techniques for dealing with altercations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Oct 2015 07:39:46 No.744579 Report Delete

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>>744560
>I don't want to hurt anyone, but i want to be able to defend myself
Well you're one out of two. You won't hurt anyone but you certainly won't defend yourself.

Wu-style Tai Chi Chuan

Wu-style Tai Chi Chuan Sun 11 Oct 2015 07:44:50 No.744583 Report Delete

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>>744560
Dude, go for it. I was bullied too, in my youth, but I discovered my namesake (Tai Chi Chuan btw) and life has been better ever since.

I also advise Snake Fist/Haruna-Ryu style for grappling, and Ving T'sun boxing for fists. Ya feel me, OP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Oct 2015 08:18:43 No.744595 Report Delete

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aikido is fucking garbage. there is no reason for it to even exist. you wont be able to defend yourself with aikido. you need to learn what to do with a resisting opponent and youre not gonna learn that in aikido

for self defense anything that practices free sparring on a regular basis goes. if you want a japanese martial art that bases itself on using your opponents strength against him than go judo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 11 Oct 2015 14:57:30 No.744708 Report Delete

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>>744595
i agree, not many grabbling martial arts will save you in a fight. Learn a striking art like kickboxing, western boxing, muay thai etc. However they rely a lot on strengh and fitness so youd need to work on that

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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 07:15:55 No.745014 Report Delete

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>>744560

Learn Judo, smash people through the floor.

Btw, do you have a ponytail? I need to confirm something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 07:21:12 No.745015 Report Delete

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>>744560
The best way to avoid being bullied is stop being a beta faggot. The only reason you get bullied is because you're in a victim mindset. Sociopaths and other predatory personalities can see this and know you're weak.

Head to /fit/ and start lifting and work on your posture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 11:28:33 No.745042 Report Delete

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>>744560
It sounds like you're probably in high school.

Just go join the wrestling team. It's getting to be about wrestling season, and you'll learn a lot more about fighting, and being able to control someone while minimizing damage to them, then you ever will from Aikido.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 16:36:09 No.745135 Report Delete

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>>745042
>>you'll learn a lot more about fighting, and being able to control someone while minimizing damage to them, then you ever will from Aikido.

Aikidofag here.

This times a million. Aikido is at best a supplementary art after you've done something like wrestling or judo. Learning it by itself will probably put you in worse situations because of false confidence. Learn wrestling. If you still want to, learn Aikido later and have it flavor your wrestling.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 16:42:12 No.745136 Report Delete

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>>745135
isn't wrestling the antithesis of aikido? so how would that work. aikido relies on using technique and little to no strength so a weaker person can toss a stronger opponent. While wrestling is all brute strength and muscle with no technique

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 16:45:14 No.745137 Report Delete

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>>745014
proofs my point even though its judo>>745136
that's practically a pro wrasslin move. its all muscle and strength how can a skinnyfag like me do a move like that. i think the appeal of aikido is that weakfags can slam bigger stronger people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:07:18 No.745139 Report Delete

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>>745137
>i think the appeal of aikido is that weakfags can slam bigger stronger people.
Except aikidofags can't slam anyone. It's literally a partners dance that falls to shit the second your partner doesn't cooperate. In fact, aikido is more pro wrestling than wrestling since it only works with them throwing themself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:10:21 No.745140 Report Delete

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>>745139
I think you're confusing the demonstration but the actual moves and takedowns lead into slams when used against people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:16:34 No.745143 Report Delete

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>>745136
Way off. Wrestling, like Judo and Aikido, are about leverage and skill. Athleticism helps you take advantage of the leverage by being faster and having better reaction speed than the other guy as well as the endurance to outlast him since he will be actively resisting (unlike Aikido).

>>745139
>> It's literally a partners dance that falls to shit the second your partner doesn't cooperate.

Wrong. It definitely trains its students badly because it assumes that people will only attack a certain (overly committed) way, but the techniques are legitimate IF the Aikidoka can lock them in. The problem with Aikido isn't that the techniques don't work, it's that the practitioners are trained into having horribly bad habits that fail to allow them to take advantage of most of the techniques they're taught. Things like Kotegaeshi and Ikkyo are taught in other arts, but are taught far more effectively against resisting opponents. That's why Aikido is a terrible primary art, you learn too many bad habits because some of its pants on head retarded ideas of how combat works (shit like stunlocking). The techniques themselves are legitimate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:19:00 No.745144 Report Delete

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>>745143
>it assumes that people will only attack a certain (overly committed) way
So it only works if your partner cooperates. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>745140
>I think you're confusing the demonstration but the actual moves
I think you're confusing actual sparring with demonstrations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:22:25 No.745146 Report Delete

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>>745144
>So it only works if your partner cooperates. Thanks for clearing that up.

"but the techniques are legitimate IF the Aikidoka can lock them in."

"Things like Kotegaeshi and Ikkyo are taught in other arts, but are taught far more effectively against resisting opponents"

>Reading comprehension

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 17:31:55 No.745149 Report Delete

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>>745136
>aikido relies on your dance parner willingly throwing himself for you. While wrestling is all about applying technique, speed and strength

FTFY

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:12:11 No.745167 Report Delete

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If you are stronger than your opponent, then you can simply force the techniques.

If you are quicker and faster than your opponent, then you can time and intercept his shit to apply a technique.

If your opponent is a clueless fuck, then you can probably use your technique.

IF, however, you are slower, weaker, and facing an opponent that actually knows how to fight, then you're probably not going to be able to apply an Aikido technique, because real attacks come too fast, aren't telegraphed, and aren't made by over-committing your weight or balance.

Western boxing and wrestling are far more effective and easier to learn, but if you're intent on an Asian "martial" art, go with Judo, BJJ, or Muay Thai, as all involve realistic training with resisting partners, and they've all been proven to be effective in real fights. Aikido? Not so much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:55:01 No.745201 Report Delete

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>>745137
>how can a skinnyfag like me do a move like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnMiRCVL18

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 19:24:06 No.745217 Report Delete

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcnMiRCVL18
funny thing is that sumo wrestler was a mid tier junior national team for the czech republics judo team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 21:09:10 No.745451 Report Delete

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>>745136
>isn't wrestling the antithesis of aikido? so how would that work. aikido relies on using technique and little to no strength so a weaker person can toss a stronger opponent.

Wrestler here: technique is super important in wrestling.

Yes, a yoked up fucking ubermensch will probably ruin your day if you have equal experience and technical ability, but I've seen guys who I wrestled with who didn't spend a day outside of specific off season training sessions in the weight room destroy guys who were "bigger".

>While wrestling is all brute strength and muscle with no technique

Lol. Do me a favor, find a really strong guy and a really good wrestler who isn't necessarily big as fuck.

Have the really strong guy try a fireman's carry or high crotch on the wrestler.

And then come back and tell us how hard the wrestler sprawled the strong guys face into the ground, and then how hard he cross face anchored, and then took his back and went for a control/pinning combination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 21:41:07 No.745523 Report Delete

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>>744560
what matters isn't your skill at fighting, it's your willingness to fight even if you know you're not gonna win. you'll feel a lot better about yourself if you throw a punch back even if you have to take a trip to the hospital after than if you spend 3 years learning secret asian martial art techniques but don't have the guts to ever fight back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Oct 2015 06:20:47 No.745816 Report Delete

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Holy shit Wu, you're such a fucking faggot.

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Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2015 01:13:13 No.747048 Report Delete

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>>744560
Don't do Aikido.
Source: Trained Aikido for an year.

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