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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:39:02 No.34674193 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674213 >>34674282 >>34674346 >>34674507 >>34674717 >>34676671

creatine causes baldness in men, and yet some many take it

explain this shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:40:42 No.34674213 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674233 >>34674234 >>34674254

>>34674193
It doesnt cause baldness.
Some studies suggest it might be associated with speeding up balding in guys who already go bald. There are lots of studies that say it doesn't.
Post one solid piece of evidence to support your assertion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:42:48 No.34674233 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674258 >>34674260 >>34674267 >>34674274 >>34674717

>>34674213
Speeding up baldness is the same thing as causing baldness retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:42:49 No.34674234 Report Delete

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>>34674213
suck my balls

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:45:22 No.34674254 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674287

>>34674213
it's science, bro
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:45:36 No.34674258 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674288

>>34674233
>in guys who already go bald
>literally genetics
enjoy your horrible reading comprehension faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:45:44 No.34674260 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674288

>>34674233
Of course it's fucking not. How the fuck can it cause something that's already happening?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:46:20 No.34674267 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674288

>>34674233
Speeding up you're speed of descent is the same thing as jumping off a bridge retard...this is what you sound like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:47:05 No.34674274 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674588

>>34674233
No. It doesn't cause baldness in men who dont have male pattern baldness, it is loosely associated with increases in DHT, men who take creatine seem to have higher levels of DHT although that result hasnt really been replicated outside of a single study, DHT it's self is loosely associated with men who go bald, as in guys with male pattern baldness have higher levels of DHT but they dont know if the DHT causes it.
There is literally 1, a single study, that suggested this with a sample size of 20 volunteers from a college rugby team.
The results have not been recreated.
http://examine.com/faq/does-creatine-cause-baldness/
to say "creatine causes baldness in men" as if this is a fact is fucking bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:47:55 No.34674282 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674544

>>34674193
Nothing wrong with being bald

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:48:36 No.34674287 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674644

>>34674254
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
Thats cute, you posted the single study associating it with DHT.
here are some that say the opposite
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14685870
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11252073

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:48:45 No.34674288 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674311 >>34674336

>>34674258
>>34674260
>>34674267
>all men will go bald at 80 years old or so
>creatine makes you bald at 25
>would have gone bald at 80 if not for creatine
It causes baldness fags.

>being crushed by a ton of metal on your head does not cause death it only speeds up death

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:51:03 No.34674311 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674317 >>34674369

>>34674288
male pattern baldness is a fucking condition you retard.
Not all men have it. Many men dont have it. DHT is associated only in men who have it, as in they have higher levels of DHT.
They dont know if DHT causes the baldness, just that the two things are associated.
In a scientific terms, associating is the weakest form of relationship, they cant even prove correlation let alone causation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:52:14 No.34674317 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674338

>>34674311
>it's a condition
>male skeletons have hair

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:53:49 No.34674336 Report Delete

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>>34674288
bait?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:54:11 No.34674338 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674357

>>34674317
Male-pattern baldness, androgenic alopecia, is not the same thing as just balding.
It is a specific kind, admittedly the most common kind, but the two arent interchangeable. fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:55:10 No.34674346 Report Delete

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>>34674193
I can confirm that my hairs thins out on creatine but not on test e, even taking 1000mg/week

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:56:32 No.34674357 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674385

>>34674338
>there's a condition that causes certain ma!es to go bald faster
>this somehow nullifies the fact that all makes will go bald over enough time
>creatine accelerates that time
>men who would have gone bald at 30 will go bald at 20 with creatine
>men who would have gone bald at 90 will go bald at 60 with creatine
Causes baldness. Enjoy your water bloat grain powder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:57:40 No.34674364 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674382

Listen if you guys don't want to take one of the most studied and effective supplements, have no understanding of what creatine actually is and what it does and why it works(if the answer to this question involves water and doesn't mention the phosphagen energy system, fucking kill yourself and dont give advice), that's your call.
If you have a family history of baldness or already are balding and want to go with an assertion based on lose association of 1 single study that has never been replicated, that's fine.
If you don't have male pattern baldness in your family, then creatine will 100% not do anything to make you go bald.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:57:56 No.34674369 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675041

>>34674311
>Not all men have it.

70% is more than 2/3

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:59:08 No.34674382 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674720

>>34674364
>most studies effective
More like, the most used and least effective
>hurr I can do 1 more rep while on it sometimes
Even Clarence dropped creatine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:59:21 No.34674385 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674417 >>34674418

>>34674357
lol you dont actually know what creatine does do you?
You understand creatine makes ATP right?
through the phosphagen energy system? It stores as Creatine Phosphate and donates to ADP to creatine ATP?
You know that right?
Or do you just think it "gives you more water" or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:02:03 No.34674417 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674432 >>34674453 >>34674482 >>34674973

>>34674385
>creatine makes ATP
Stopped reading there
Kill yourself

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:02:16 No.34674418 Report Delete

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>>34674385
Enjoy not being able to use one of your energy systems.
No surprise I look better and am stronger than you guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:03:55 No.34674432 Report Delete

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>>34674417
CrP +ADP +H+--->ATP+H*P.
Creatine donates a phosphate to ADP to create ATP. Did you really not know that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:05:34 No.34674453 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674482

>>34674417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjSmitf4_w0
here you go, seriously fucking learn something man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:07:19 No.34674482 Report Delete

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>>34674417
see
>>34674453
So not only does it donate a phosphate group to create ADP, it forms an enzyme, Creatine Kinase which lowers the activation energy for lots of other reactions related to energy all occurring in the cytosol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:08:40 No.34674504 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674576

Jesus classic /fit/.
You've been talking shit, arguing about creatine, literally without knowing what it is. Without having any idea. What the fuck is wrong with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:08:43 No.34674507 Report Delete

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>>34674193
>some many

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:11:15 No.34674544 Report Delete

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>>34674282
dark skinned people can shave it off and be done, white people need really decent skull shape to get away with that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:14:29 No.34674576 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674588

>>34674504
This thread is about it killing your hair gains, not what it is chemically. Retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:15:57 No.34674588 Report Delete

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>>34674576
I've already explained how it doesnt do that.
see
>>34674274

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:21:06 No.34674644 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674668

>>34674287
you're study doesn't even mention measuring DHT

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:22:50 No.34674668 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674690

>>34674644
Which one?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:24:47 No.34674690 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674705

>>34674668
which one you think does?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:25:26 No.34674699 Report Delete

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It spread up the thinning of my hair a fuckton. Still hasn't grown back, probably won't either since that's where I would have started going bald anyways.

I'd rather have my hair longer than an extra 20 pounds or so on my lifts, and as for the recovery, I can just take some citruline malate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:26:22 No.34674705 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674716

>>34674690
They all do. The first link it's in the fucking title, the second and third you actually have to read the study and not the abstract.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:27:13 No.34674716 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674743

>>34674705
>the second and third you actually have to read the study and not the abstract.
well, fuck off then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:27:18 No.34674717 Report Delete

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>>34674193
That extra pump is worth going bald >>34674233

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:27:36 No.34674720 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674745

>>34674382
>least effective
more like the most effective legal substance
or prove me wrong

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:29:35 No.34674743 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674759

>>34674716
Wait do you know what dht is? You don't do you lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:29:41 No.34674745 Report Delete

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>>34674720
some people can't feel the difference, so it doesn't work for everybody

but yeah, some get bloated from all that water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:31:03 No.34674759 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674873

>>34674743
I know more than you, but I'm not some college dorm dwelling retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:42:09 No.34674873 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34674968

>>34674759
sure you do bud. I guess it would help to know that (Dihydrotestosterone) DHT, is a free androgen, as in
"Total testosterone (TT) and the free androgen index (TT/SHBG) decreased in CrM and P, reaching a nadir at week 3" from the second link.

Or maybe that it's a sex hormone dependent or serum testosterone, as in "did not significantly impact on serum testosterone." from the third link.
so that's just from the abstracts, without even having to read the studies.

But please tell me more about how you know more than me. but seriously not only do I know more academically, I know more practically because 100% assuming you arent taking gear, I'm bigger and stronger than you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:50:30 No.34674968 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675095

>>34674873
lol so you post articles you haven't even reviewed because you found them on some creatine shill website, that's all we need to know about you and your "expertise."

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:51:04 No.34674973 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675095 >>34675129

>>34674417
retard detected

ah fuck it. i don't even want you guys to make it. don't take creatine. it causes baldness. really. strong correlations, and certain populations do have increased risk of baldness after creatine supplementation, even without linking to DHT or family history. it is not safe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:58:01 No.34675041 Report Delete

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>>34674369
Actually, it's up to 80%. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20426708

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:01:59 No.34675095 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675190

>>34674973
The correlations are not fucking strong. There isnt even correlation but association.

>>34674968
lol i posted articles from examine.com, a highly respected literature review run by multiple PHDs.
~creatine shill site~.
http://examine.com/about/

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:04:47 No.34675129 Report Delete

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>>34674973
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
One study, seriously this is it. This is where it comes from, with 20 participants with results that have not been recreated.
With multiple studies saying the opposite, and you call that "strong correlation"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:11:11 No.34675190 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676574

>>34675095
>~creatine shill site~.

what is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:30:40 No.34676574 Report Delete

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>>34675190
lol i spend 20 dollars for 250 tabs of creatine mono. Thats like a 2 month supply.
how fucking poor are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:35:47 No.34676612 Report Delete

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I lifted 4 years with creatine and stopped when I realized my hair were falling like crazy

As soon as I hopped off creatine, I didn't notice any hairloss.

Believe what you want, but from a personal point of view, there's no doubt creatine accelerates baldness (at least it did for me)

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<3██CUTE=TOMATO██<3 Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:41:30 No.34676671 Report Delete

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>>34674193
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