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Higher volume novice routines?

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:13:35 No.34675907 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675937 >>34675949 >>34675960 >>34676973

I've been doing Starting Strength but I feel like I can do way more volume/frequency.

Assuming you can recover from it doesn't more volume and frequency = more gains?

Any recommendations for beginner programs that aren't pitifully low volume?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:15:47 No.34675926 Report Delete

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>bait
>butterface
>toad sage
Pick all three

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:16:42 No.34675937 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675981

>>34675907
How long have you been doing it? You'll find that soon enough it becomes quite difficult.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:18:00 No.34675949 Report Delete

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>>34675907
PPL is good tbh fam

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:19:03 No.34675960 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34675994 >>34676007

>>34675907
wow who is tha woman in the photo! sexy stuff!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:21:13 No.34675981 Report Delete

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>>34675937
This is what people told me a few months ago. I've been at it for 4 months and it stills feels easy.

I've always recovered fast, even before I started lifting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:22:25 No.34675994 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676560 >>34677380

>>34675960
Carmen Carrera.

She trans, btw. I don't care but I know some people are grossed out by that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:23:49 No.34676007 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676031

>>34675960
Such bad b8

fuck off OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:27:45 No.34676031 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676076

>>34676007
Why? This isn't a troll thread.

Starting Strength feels too easy so I want something higher volume. What's so hard to understand about that?

I couldn't think of a relevant pic to post so I just posted some random eye candy I had saved on my computer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:31:40 No.34676076 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676101 >>34676109

>>34676031
>Starting Strength feels too easy
retarded

are you making gains or not? that's all that's important

if you could get more gains by adding more volume don't you think it would already be included in the program that's sole purpose is to get weak people strong as quickly as possible?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:33:57 No.34676091 Report Delete

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just follow the program, dumbass. the people who designed it knew what the fuck they were doing. you are not a special snowflake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:34:32 No.34676101 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676132

>>34676076
Programs like Smovlov and Sheiko are known for getting people stronger faster and they use high volume.

If adding more volume can help intermediate lifters progress faster why can't they help beginners progress faster assuming they can recover adequately?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:35:16 No.34676109 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676132 >>34676228 >>34676883

>>34676076
SS has you in the gym for like 30 minutes max. Not him, but doing three exercises and leaving seems underwhelming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:37:26 No.34676132 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676157 >>34676167

>>34676101
>>34676109
there are dozens of pages in the book explaining why the program is layed out as it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:40:24 No.34676157 Report Delete

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>>34676132
Mark go to sleep

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:41:54 No.34676167 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676222

>>34676132
Rippetoe isn't the god of strength training though. There are tons of equally respected coaches out there with differing view points.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:50:49 No.34676222 Report Delete

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>>34676167
No, but he put together the book on the program. Is it too much to ask that when following a strength training program, you do what the creators of that program say? Especially for a beginner. I don't think there's even another book for novices that goes into the level of detail SS does.

Anyway OP could be an advanced lifter and the point still stands. Stick to one program. If you can add weight to bar consistently every workout/week/month then the program works. If you can't you're either doing something wrong, or it's time to switch the program.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:52:02 No.34676228 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676262

>>34676109
This is exactly what I mean.

I'm not saying I want to do endless dropsets and train to failure all the time. I just think I can handle more than 7 to 11 sets per workout.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:55:52 No.34676262 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676445

>>34676228
post your lifts, age, weight, height

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:17:47 No.34676445 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676552 >>34676613 >>34676752

>>34676262
Age: 19
Weight: 170 lbs (started at 155)
Height: 6 feet

Lifts:
315x3x5 squat
160x3x5 bench
335x1x5 deadlift
100x3x5 press
175x5x3 clean (replaced power cleans with full cleans)

Before anyone asks, yes, my squats are to depth. I have short arms for my height so deadlifts are a challenge for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:28:55 No.34676552 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676606

>>34676445
what about your chin ups

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:29:24 No.34676560 Report Delete

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>>34675994
As they should be disgusted by degenerate cunts like him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:34:57 No.34676606 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676621 >>34676752

>>34676552
I do them with a 25 lb plate on a belt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:35:52 No.34676613 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676728

>>34676445

everything is terrible except your squats and cleans. that said, SS done as the book tells you would have you benching 2pl8, deadlifting 4pl8, and pressing 165 within another month, and then you'd be pretty strong. If you can actually hack it, stick with that progression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:36:23 No.34676621 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676932

>>34676606
how long have you been doig SS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:49:32 No.34676728 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676757

>>34676613

Lol, nice e standards.

OP has been lifting for 4 months. He has solid stats for his experience level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:51:42 No.34676752 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676776

>>34676606
>>34676445
based on those stats, i would rate you intermediate. your bench and ohp sucks tho

i was in the same position (somewhat, lower weight and less on liffts), i replaced squat with the bench press, so i have to bench basically every workout which gave me the progress similiar i had to the squat and dl

after you hit a certain point of your bench/ohp i would switch to 5/3/1 or another programm

just my 2cts, gl bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:52:12 No.34676757 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676817

>>34676728
>He has solid stats for his experience level.

compared to his squat and clean, they're terrible.

none of this matters anyway, since it's about improvement. i still wouldn't give up linear progression.

OP, if you're feeling that great, put extra weight on the bar next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:55:03 No.34676776 Report Delete

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>>34676752
by replaced i mean to change the squat and the bench press in the routine scheme of ss, not to cut out squat completlely

in any case tho, it doesnt really answer your main question if you should add more volume

i got exhausted really fast, esp when you dont bulk 500+ cals and do it by a small portion to prevent fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:59:52 No.34676817 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676870

>>34676757
I still disagree.

His bench, press, and deadlift are all pretty good.

It's not that his other lifts are lagging compared to his squat. His squat is just abnormally good.

Repping 315 on squats is pretty rare for someone who's only been lifting for 4 months. It takes a lot of people 9 tot 12 months to do the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:06:31 No.34676870 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676932 >>34677008

>>34676817
not anon you replied to

>It's not that his other lifts are lagging compared to his squat. His squat is just abnormally good

his sq and dl are very good for his time frame, but the upper body excercises really slack. if i had to take a guess he played football and has strong lower body strenght and thus dl and sq not "exhausting" him enough

i would concentrate on the upper body, like some anon suggested with replacing the sq with bench seemed a bit odd but could work out

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:07:06 No.34676883 Report Delete

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>>34676109
>30 mins

You're doing it wrong. Add chins, dips, abs, cardio and you'll be in there for like an hour and a half if you're doing everything right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:13:08 No.34676932 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34676992

>>34676621
4 months
>>34676870
no, never played football

Do you really think my upper body lifts are that bad?

From what I hear, it takes most people around 9-12 months to rep out 225 lbs on bench. 160 lbs after 4 months doesn't seem that bad with that in mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:14:42 No.34676954 Report Delete

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I'd advise you to ignore all the SS-cult answers and try out ICF instead if you're looking for a high volume beginner routine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:17:09 No.34676973 Report Delete

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>>34675907
if you're stalling move onto a different program.
if you're still progressing, stay on SS.

it's that simple

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:20:45 No.34676992 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34677005

>>34676932
no i dont think its bad for your time frame, its actually good.

its just your dl and squat in relation to your bench ohp is abnormal (which doesnt mean your bench/ohp is bad)

no matter if your goal is aesthetics or strength/power/competition, your upper body is imbalanced in relation to your lower body

since ss is more dominant on the lower part (where you already are strong as fuck for your weight), the workout itself doesnt feel exhausting or challenging

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:22:28 No.34677005 Report Delete

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>>34676992
Okay, I see what you mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:22:56 No.34677008 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34677062

>>34676870
>i would concentrate on the upper body, like some anon suggested with replacing the sq with bench seemed a bit odd but could work out

No, that's silly. If you do SS as the book says, you'll eventually hit a wall with your squat and deadlift and be forced to deload.

At that point, you can keep progressing your bench and press.

Beginner routines offer quicker progressions than anything else.

5/3/1 is monthly. Sheiko is monthly or longer. SS advances 3x a week for squats, 1x a week for deadlifts, and 1.5 x per week for press and bench.

If you keep doing SS for another year, you'll be breaking world records. So the operative point is: do it until it doesn't work because it progresses faster than anything else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:28:01 No.34677062 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34677154

>>34677008
you are actually right, i falsely assumed that op is aiming for the most balanced way to modify/change his workout, not to actually increase lifts as ss is known for

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:38:20 No.34677154 Report Delete

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>>34677062
>i falsely assumed that op is aiming for the most balanced way to modify/change his workout, not to actually increase lifts as ss is known for

I would imagine that one of two things is going on- either he's just mr. freak CNS and is honestly like "why is this so easy", which certainly won't last forever- or he's just not doing the actual program, which auto-regulates to take care (more or less) of these issues.

He'll certainly start failing something, and then he'll start failing everything. If he's unbalanced at that time, he'll have time to let the lagging lifts catch up. And, since he's deloading, he'll be able to put more energy into the lagging ones.

By the time all of his lifts are failing, then he can look at intermediate routines like 5/3/1 or Texas Method or Madcow or whatever.

But just adding things in willy-nilly is asking to slow down his progress.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:09:44 No.34677380 Report Delete

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>>34675994
are you fuckin serious bruh? so i just got hard for a tranny?!

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