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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:46:30 No.34681325 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34681360 >>34681393 >>34681552 >>34681573 >>34682488 >>34682547

/fit/ redpill me on lifting belts pls.

How does a belt affect gains? You can lift more weight oviously...
Does it have any influence on muscle building?
There is different broscience saying bullshit like that a belt will "help you from overdeveloping abs so you develop a more aesthetic core with a belt" etc.

Should someone without any powerlifting aspirations, but still lifts heavy, use a belt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:49:45 No.34681360 Report Delete

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>>34681325
>redpill
'no'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:52:11 No.34681393 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34681477 >>34681625 >>34682043

>>34681325
>you can lift more weight obviously
How? It only supports your lower trunk, it doesn't do work horizontally.

>does it have any influence on muscle building
Yes

>overdeveloping abs
What the fuck :D

>without any powerlifting aspirations
oh now I see, so you are fine with being a weak, but semi-attractive brotege. Carry on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:00:42 No.34681477 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34681482

>>34681393

Can you explain how a belt influences muscle building?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:01:24 No.34681482 Report Delete

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>>34681477
I don't know, but I do know it's influence is not zero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:08:33 No.34681552 Report Delete

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>>34681325
>asking /fit/ about belts
Here we go again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:10:33 No.34681573 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34681635

>>34681325
It can affect gains if you're using it so much that your core muscles don't get enough stimulation for optimal growth. Tho using a belt correctly means that you're still using all of your core muscles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:15:24 No.34681625 Report Delete

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>>34681393
>you can lift more weight obviously
How? It only supports your lower trunk, it doesn't do work horizontally.

A belt used properly will allow better core contraction and can easily 10-20 lbs to your squat or diddy.
Other than that you're spot on man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:16:30 No.34681635 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34681667 >>34681721

>>34681573
>It can affect gains if you're using it so much that your core muscles don't get enough stimulation for optimal growth
Hate this fucking meme, if you're using a belt do you somehow start only lifting with your back and your core is no longer relevant?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:19:13 No.34681667 Report Delete

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>>34681635
I think he means in the sense that your core is being assisted by the belt, and thus won't be worked as hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:24:41 No.34681721 Report Delete

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>>34681635
That's why I said that if you're using the belt correctly then you'll still be using all of the core muscles. But a beginner might put on a belt and not use their core at all but still be able to lift a bit more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:51:56 No.34682043 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682141

>>34681393
DYEL?

It helps stabilize your back, so it requires less core strength to lift the same amount of weight. This will lead to less core development because a bet less 400lb squat requires more core strength than a belted 400lb squat

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:01:26 No.34682141 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682182 >>34682196 >>34682435

>>34682043
This is bait there are studies that already show that it doesn't change core engagement in the slightest for squat but on deadlifts oblique activation is lessened to 80%

It doesn't make the core weaker it just makes the effects of valsalva better. I don't have sources now but just go to strength theory.com they have sources listed below

You fuckwits need to stop with this bioscience bullshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:03:27 No.34682160 Report Delete

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Hey I'm stupid, convince me of thing.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:06:06 No.34682182 Report Delete

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>>34682141
***** LISTEN TO THIS GUY *****

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:07:09 No.34682196 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682294 >>34682376

>>34682141
hey bro

when i use a belt, I feel like a bitch who needs help putting on a dress

when i lift normally, and safely, I feel like a man

I dont think its broscience to know that using this shit WILL weaken you OVER TIME rather than strengthening you. its literally a crutch for your back, and abs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:15:41 No.34682294 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682454

>>34682196
'no'
A belt generates greater intra-abdominal pressure, which helps you lift more. It's not a crutch if you still lift progressively without a belt

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:25:28 No.34682376 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682515

>>34682196
Did your mother give birth to any children that weren't cognitively disabled?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:26:58 No.34682397 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682454

If the belt was a crutch you'd feel it pressing into your back and hurting like a fuck when you lifted with it. Do you? No? Then it's not sustaining weight.

It just helps to have a constant reminder of the correct body position.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:31:19 No.34682435 Report Delete

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>>34682141
>on deadlifts oblique activation is lessened to 80%

>It doesn't make the core weaker

pick one

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:32:53 No.34682454 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682748

>>34682294
>A belt generates greater intra-abdominal pressure
I never said it didn't.

>It's not a crutch if you still lift progressively without a belt
so what if you lift, WITH a belt "progressively"? Cuz thats what we are talking about, not your strawman-sometimey bullshit

>>34682397
It makes the movement easier to follow through cuz it "hugged" the small of my back and abs. I've tried on a 410lb deadlift, and THATS how it felt to me. it made the exercise easier overall, but whats when you try to lift WITHOUT IT after LIFTING WITH IT for years? And you are not on 'roids?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:37:12 No.34682488 Report Delete

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>>34681325
I only use my belt for heavy squats and I feel my abs working more because I can brace my abs hard against the belt

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:38:34 No.34682501 Report Delete

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Use a belt when you're ready to get stronger m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:39:56 No.34682515 Report Delete

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>>34682376
>being this new that you dont recognise b8

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:42:44 No.34682545 Report Delete

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I wore a belt when I did kung fu as a kid where they constantly told us that our guts would rip out of our stomach if we didn't wear them tight enough.

Not a big fan of belts tbh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:42:50 No.34682547 Report Delete

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>>34681325
Use a belt when maxing on your last warm-up set and all of your working sets. The close variations - pause squat, deficit DL and high-rep movements should be trained without a belt.

If you start using a belt you should train your stomach a lot. A belt should be a tool and not a crutch - if your squat goes up solely because of the belt you will get injured.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:56:08 No.34682691 Report Delete

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ITT: average DYEL fitizens brosciencing
http://70sbig.com/blog/2010/04/more-reasons-for-wearing-a-belt/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:00:22 No.34682748 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682828

>>34682454
>so what if you lift, WITH a belt "progressively"
you'll still get stronger. And I don't think anyone advocates always using a belt, so accusing me of strawmanning is fucking retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:06:18 No.34682828 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>34682863

>>34682748
still didnt answer what I wanted

good job retard. let me wear my belt forever now

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:08:52 No.34682863 Report Delete

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>>34682828
>still didnt answer what I wanted
if you wear a belt and lift progressively heavier weights with good enough form I guarantee you'll be able to deadlift near-ish that amount without one.

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