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10-bit video encoding general

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:19:56 No.51093624 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51093690 >>51093720 >>51093749 >>51094029 >>51094276 >>51094632 >>51094654 >>51095120 >>51095135 >>51096457

What do you use to encode 10-bit video?

What settings do you use?

Do you use H264 or have you adopted HEVC?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:24:57 No.51093690 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51093700

>>51093624
How the fuck do encode 10-bit video? I've tried fucking everything and nothing fucking works. reee

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:26:45 No.51093700 Report Delete

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>>51093690
Just use staxrip fam. I think it encodes 10-bit by default.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:29:04 No.51093720 Report Delete

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>>51093624
How long until 64-bit video?

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vomit_chan !0dEvsccb7U Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:32:12 No.51093749 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094739

>>51093624
>What do you use to encode 10-bit video?
staxrip
>What settings do you use?
16 CRF, medium preset, and tune for source material
>Do you use H264 or have you adopted HEVC?
H264 here, HEVC is still too slow and in my own tests have shown to reduce file sizes by a mere 30% compared to H264. It still needs work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:43:20 No.51093847 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094739

staxrip

10 crf because I'm not poor

I still use h264, hevc is still shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:52:44 No.51093957 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094000 >>51094027

Is there really nothing else beside staxrip that can encode 10-bit video? Handbrake and ffmpeg are both crippled to encoding 8-bit video.

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vomit_chan !0dEvsccb7U Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:56:58 No.51094000 Report Delete

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>>51093957
Not that I know of. FFmpeg can be hacked to encode 10-bit video but you have to compile shit and stuff that I don't really understand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:59:43 No.51094027 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094057 >>51094691

>>51093957

I'm not sure, but did you check if megui can?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:59:50 No.51094029 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094739

>>51093624
staxrip, 22 constant rate factor because I'm not an autist like all of you

Also fuck hevc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:01:54 No.51094057 Report Delete

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>>51094027
Hmm I'll try that. Staxrip is breddy gud but if there is a better alternative then I'd like to try that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:05:44 No.51094087 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094103

Doesn't your player auto-correct this on the fly when playing most videos?
I'm sure mpc-hc does this or has a filter for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:07:30 No.51094103 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094127

>>51094087
It does but smudges the colors and guesses gradients. It always looks weird to me, 10-bit encodes are always better imho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:08:55 No.51094127 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094240

>>51094103
I downloaded a 30gb remux of a Bluray movie and it doesn't have this problem.
It is 8bit or 10bit?
Also most 8gb rips looks like that 10bit image even when it isn't 10bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:16:54 No.51094240 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094277 >>51094656 >>51096887

>>51094127
10-bit is intended to help low file size rips not remuxes.

For example a ~100MB 720p 8-bit animu episode rip will look like shit (color banding, more artifacts) than a ~100MB 720p 10-bit animu episode rip.

Most people don't want to bloat their hard drives with 20GB remuxes of movies and 1GB/episode animu rips. They want a lower file size but want to retain as much quality as possible at the same time. 10-bit video addresses this problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:19:38 No.51094276 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094739

>>51093624
>What do you use to encode 10-bit video?
the same staxrip may may as everyone else

>What settings do you use?
22crf, fast preset

>Do you use H264 or have you adopted HEVC?
h264, hevc takes eons to encode

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:19:43 No.51094277 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094312 >>51094316

>>51094240
But there is no real compatibility standard for 10bit encoding on most devices isn't?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:23:21 No.51094312 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094327 >>51094462

>>51094277
Actually 90% of devices can playback 10-bit h264. Even iPhones and winblows phones have players for it. All android devices can playback 10-bit h264.

Problem is they can only be played back on the CPU for mobile devices, there are no hardware decoders for 10-bit video yet. This means to playback 1080p 10-bit video you must have a quad core andrpid device or an iPhone 5s to play without problems.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:23:35 No.51094316 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094327

>>51094277
Not really, no.

Plex supports it. So does Android through MX Player.
That covers phones, tablets and ChromeCast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:24:36 No.51094327 Report Delete

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>>51094312
>>51094316
Interesting, thanks anons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:34:24 No.51094462 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094506

>>51094312
What about 10-bit 720p rips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:37:58 No.51094506 Report Delete

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>>51094462
You can get away with playing 10-bit 720p on a dual-core android device but it would have to be at least somewhat fast. The dual-core 1.5ghz S3 can playback 10-bit 720p just fine for example. Not sure if an iphone 5 would be sufficient though.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:42:40 No.51094564 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094634

I can see the difference so i guess i have a 10-bit capable display! Galaxy S6 wins again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:48:46 No.51094632 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094659

>>51093624
>Be loonix.
>Use 10-bit so vids don not WERKZ with all devices I ever owned.
Loonix. It doesn't werkz.

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vomit_chan !0dEvsccb7U Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:48:52 No.51094634 Report Delete

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>>51094564
You don't need a 10-bit display to see the difference.

8-bit encoders literally have less accurate color precision than 10-bit encoders. The resulting 8-bit encode will have more artifacts and color banding. 10-bit encodes will look better even if the display is 8-bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:50:32 No.51094654 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094668 >>51094698

>>51093624
Is there any point if the source material is 8-bit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:50:44 No.51094656 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094719

>>51094240
>2015
>Not running media server and only watching pure uncompressed AVI videos with FLAC audio

Plebian hypocrites.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:51:09 No.51094659 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094684

>>51094632
Have you tried a different player? Both VLC and MPC can decode 10-bit video. I'm very sure MPV can too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:51:45 No.51094668 Report Delete

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>>51094654
Commie subs does it, so it must be gud for anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:52:47 No.51094684 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094744

>>51094659
Tell me how to unlock a Samsung 60 inch smart TV and I'll get back to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:53:18 No.51094691 Report Delete

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>>51094027
it can

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:54:11 No.51094698 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094809

>>51094654
Yes, in layman's terms 10-bit encoding is "better". It's like using Opus instead of ancient MP3 to encode audio. 10-bit h264 video encoding is 10-20% more efficient than 8-bit h264 video encoding and also reduces color banding more agressively in lower bitrates

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:56:00 No.51094719 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094935

>>51094656
That sounds really autistic fam. Do you also encode all your photos to TIFF?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:57:32 No.51094739 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094770 >>51097387

>>51093749
>>51093847
>>51094029
>>51094276
Is staxrip some meme answer or are you people too retarded to use x264, eac3to, & AviSynth?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:57:58 No.51094744 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094953

>>51094684
There are cheap $40 android hdmi tv sticks on amazon that have quad-core processors on them. You don't sound poor.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:00:37 No.51094770 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094803

>>51094739
It's a meme I guess. Most can't use CLI so staxrip is by far the easiest way to encode 10-bit h264. I personally use it, I like having a program that can do everything at once without having to use a CLI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:00:50 No.51094776 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094975

the eye cannot see in 10-bit

you fucking morons

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:03:15 No.51094803 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094896 >>51095220

>>51094770
right a fucking script then. /g/ really is full of plebs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:03:40 No.51094809 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094868

>>51094698
Interesting
So it's solely because the compression algorithms work in mysterious ways?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:08:08 No.51094868 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095204 >>51096686 >>51097028

>>51094809
http://www.x264.nl/x264/10bit_02-ateme-why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth.pdf

Basically the 10-bit h264 encoder has 1024 shades to chose from (compared to 256 for 8-bit). This gives it more accurate "guessing" of what color/detail something should be. Read the PDF I included for a better in-depth explanation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:10:34 No.51094896 Report Delete

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>>51094803
Why would we use a script when we have staxrip? What would a script do that staxrip can't do? Staxrip supports avisynth scrips and is built around FFmpeg so you can use special parameters in staxrip as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:14:08 No.51094935 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094968

>>51094719
I use uncompressed PNGs because I miss Macromedia Fireworks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:15:17 No.51094953 Report Delete

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>>51094744
B-But, that just makes my sexy TV into an overglorified monitor!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:16:03 No.51094968 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51094995

>>51094935
Well good for you man. Most people don't have more than 1TB of storage on their laptops so they can't afford to do what you do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:16:39 No.51094975 Report Delete

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>>51094776
The OP is retarded. Animu maymay subbers basically use it for better compression.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:18:23 No.51094995 Report Delete

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>>51094968
I am supreme gentooman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:18:30 No.51095001 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095100

commandline

it's encoding there is literally no reason to ever use a gui.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:24:53 No.51095100 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095150

>>51095001
what settings? At least what crf parameter and preset do you use?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:26:19 No.51095120 Report Delete

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>>51093624
that screenshot is bait, use an encoder that isn't complete shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:26:58 No.51095135 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095204

>>51093624
what is the bit depth of your source format?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:28:01 No.51095150 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095237

>>51095100
I follow Tenshi's School of Quality and use CRF 13 on all my personal encodes completely filterless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:31:31 No.51095204 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51095218

>>51095135
bit-depth of source means jack shit, see >>51094868

It is always a better option to use better and efficient encoders.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:32:29 No.51095218 Report Delete

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>>51095204
thanks mate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:32:44 No.51095220 Report Delete

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>>51094803
>right a fucking script
>right

lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:33:59 No.51095237 Report Delete

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>>51095150
>CRF 13
That seems a little extreme anon-kun. You sure you can tell the difference between CRF 16 and CRF 13?

You could be saving space and have visually the same quality for your rips.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:44:20 No.51095356 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>51093624
>What do you use to encode 10-bit video?
Staxrip

>What settings do you use?
22 crf. meh idgaf

>Do you use H264 or have you adopted HEVC?
h264

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:59:24 No.51096457 Report Delete

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>>51093624
>tfw 10 bit is no longer a may may
I'm impressed, tech really has advanced. Even those faggy iphones have added support for 10 bit video.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:11:33 No.51096618 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51096686

How can 10-bit be better when hardware is only 8-bit?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:15:47 No.51096686 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51096827

>>51096618
better compression efficiency and less color banding even if display is 8-bits.

see >>51094868

I'm really happy to see so many people interested in 10 bit video encoding. Maybe one day we can leave behind 8 bit video encoding for good.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:24:52 No.51096827 Report Delete

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>>51096686
>I'm really happy to see so many people interested in 10 bit video encoding. Maybe one day we can leave behind 8 bit video encoding for good.
Daiz said 2016 is the year of HEVC main10 profile for anime.

Brace for it

>mfw my nvidia shield tv can play it

that being said I'm impressed by my zenfone2, the intel cpu can play 1080p hi10p without problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:30:08 No.51096887 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51096969

>>51094240
>10-bit is intended to help low file size rips not remuxes.
Then why the fuck is every 10bit release fucking huge?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:36:00 No.51096969 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097136

>>51096887
Because most groups are pants on head retarded and don't know what they're doing. They will literally set some ABR they pulled out of their asses (8-16 mbps) and add a placebo 2 mbps flac audio track.

When instead they should stick to the standard crf of 16 or 22 if they really really want to save on file size and use 192 kbps opus for audio. Most groups break the age old rule to never ever use ABR. ABR was built to target file size NOT quality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:38:27 No.51097003 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097028

>Still falling for the 10-bit meme 4 years later.
Wow, just wow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:40:38 No.51097028 Report Delete

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>>51097003
Should we use mpeg2 for video and mp2 for audio too grandpa?

see >>51094868

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:48:08 No.51097136 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097226

>>51096969
>most
Are there any anime encoders that aren't completely retarded?

It's always the choice between:
hd space raping "1 whole percent smaller than the source disk!" shit
or
re-encoded, divx, with hard subs, and 2 episodes missing

with nothing inbetween

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:53:20 No.51097226 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097404 >>51098761

>>51097136
None that I could find. I have to submit to the evil coalgirls overlord if I want to watch animu. File sizes are still bloated but better than those other groups I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:06:40 No.51097387 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097487

>>51094739
> 2015
> Not having a fool-proof all in one GUI

Can't wait for Handbrake to get updated so us normies can flood the scene with shitty hevc encodes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:07:44 No.51097404 Report Delete

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>>51097226
coalgirls is the worst offender of the lot generally. They have one or two who can do a decent job of it but the rest start out at hd raping and make it worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:14:33 No.51097487 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>51097499

>>51097387
staxrip isn't that hard to use compared to handbrake though. Just drag and drop file on the encoder, set crf/preset + audio and you're ready to go. It has the 10 bit hevc encoder set by default when you use the "x265x encoder. Takes like 8x more to encode than simple h264 though.

With any luck staxrip might replace handbrake as the normie encoder some day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:15:44 No.51097499 Report Delete

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>>51097487
* "x265"

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:03:03 No.51098198 Report Delete

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bump, very interesting thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:43:56 No.51098761 Report Delete

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>>51097226
Their Soul Eater release had 16gb of flac audio for 20gb of video, I fucking hate groups who do that. At least you can re-encode audio like that easily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:07:47 No.51099174 Report Delete

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staxrip

16crf and the very fast preset. Fuck waiting days for a stupid encode to finish.

h264

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