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Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:00:49 No.238036 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238042 >>238046 >>238693 >>239049

company pays me $$$$ to make logo for them
i deliver
they pay me
then they fuck it all up and use it incorrectly

what's the point of spending 40 hours stressing over a design when other people take a dump on it?

how do i control the way its used next time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:03:47 No.238038 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238041 >>238693

You don't. They paid you, it's up to them how to use it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:11:40 No.238041 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>239284

>>238038
im in the wrong game then

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:14:49 No.238042 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238044

>>238036
answer- you cant. Some clients are shit like this one, others will respect you more as a designer. I hate to say it, but the more powerful the company, the more freedom and respect the designer gets. Head for that market, not the people at Design Crowd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:20:56 No.238044 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238047

>>238042
do they get it in writing or some shit? what the brand design includes etc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:26:14 No.238046 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238048

>>238036
post the logo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:26:36 No.238047 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238048

>>238044
I'd imagine most design studios compile all their research, experimentation and progress into a document along with the finished Identity. Over the summer the design studio I was working with did that for all their clients.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:33:44 No.238048 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238049

>>238046
irrelevant

>>238047
>research, experimentation and progress
which has nothing to do with how it should be used. it only shows the value of the solution

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:39:56 No.238049 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238050

>>238048
I'd presume that a document as relentless as that would atleast include mockups and examples of how the design is meant to be used- letterheads, icons, business cards etc.

It doesn't just 'show the value of the solution', it shows the value of the time spent as a designer. They WANT to know they're not being conned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:43:29 No.238050 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238052 >>238126

>>238049
>It doesn't just 'show the value of the solution', it shows the value of the time spent as a designer. They WANT to know they're not being conned.
same thing

the "style guide" is cool, but it's like a chef telling his customers how to cook their own food so they don't have to come back to his restaurant. i don't see the point. just let one designer do everything and gtf out of the way

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 18:49:57 No.238052 Report Delete

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>>238050
Not really. You're talking about a client as if they haven't paid anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 20:14:33 No.238064 Report Delete

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It's not your logo, it's theirs. They can do whatever they want with it, they don't owe you shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 20:27:58 No.238066 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238693

If you supplied a logo without a style guide, then they can do whatever the hell they want.

If you supplied a logo with a style guide, they can still do whatever the hell they want, but at least whoever is meant to be putting the logo into practical application has something to reference.

If you supplied the logo with a style guide, and then went through the style guide with the client and explained that this is the way things are meant to be... they can still do whatever the hell they want. They paid you for the logo.

If you're not handling the rest of their stuff, it's out of your hands.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Oct 2015 20:29:30 No.238067 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238207

/gd/ is not art. it's business

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Oct 2015 05:44:42 No.238126 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238201

>>238050

The style guide is a butcher telling his retailer how to not ruin the meat before it reaches the store and poisons all his customers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:17:37 No.238201 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>239809

>>238126
>butcher
The graphic designer is not the butcher. The graphic designer makes the meat look presentable to the buyers.

pinwa

pinwa Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:37:26 No.238204 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238206

A style guide from a designer to a company is really just a set of recommendations, nothing more. A designer cannot mandate when and/or how a design can be used unless they own the rights to it. If a company pays you to create something by rights the final product is theirs to do with as they see fit, even if you don't agree. If you're really proud of the original work and feel it's worthy of your portfolio, then include it. If you feel what they have done has irrevocably damaged your work and would make portfolio inclusion impossible then just take the money and run. I know I've done work that really pleased my client to no end but I couldn't stand it. I still got paid for it though, and that's what this is all about isn't it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:40:46 No.238206 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238210

>>238204
>I still got paid for it though, and that's what this is all about isn't it?
what about my reputation as a designer? it affects how much demand i'll get and the amount i can charge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:43:02 No.238207 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238211

>>238067
>this
After you get paid, shut up and move on.

pinwa

pinwa Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:48:44 No.238210 Report Delete

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>>238206
Don't show it in your portfolio then.

pinwa

pinwa Tue 13 Oct 2015 16:50:00 No.238211 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>238386

>>238207
Agreed, on both counts. This isn't art and you were paid. In the end you both got what you wanted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Oct 2015 14:44:34 No.238386 Report Delete

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>>238211

the worst part about gd for pay is dealing with people's shitty taste. buy a craft beer and pat yourself on the back

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 14 Oct 2015 14:58:26 No.238389 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>239285

Two things

Make sure you got paid enough that you can turn your head away and just not think about it

Put the definitive version on your site to make yourself feel much better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2015 12:21:09 No.238693 Report Delete

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>>238036
this >>238038
and this >>238066
its not your fault if you tell them how to use what you made for them, they already paid for it they can wipe their ass with it if they want just to see you suffer, but they already paid you to use that logo to wipe their asses. its not your fault their are assholes. its them that dont know what they've got in their hands

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 16 Oct 2015 14:57:55 No.238721 Report Delete

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I guess its just me and my emotional immaturity but I dont see the problem here. They bought it, it is no longer yours. The best you can do now is go to them and offer suggestions on how it should be used and examples of how it would be better then it is being used right now. Unless you make then feel like they are losing potential business theres really no point in listening to you when you go to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 17:20:26 No.238847 Report Delete

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Best you can do is a style guide, if a company or business fucks with the integrity of the design work then fuck them they don't care about their own shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 20:18:15 No.238863 Report Delete

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How the hell do you "use a logo wrong?" isn't a logo kind of stand alone? The only way I could see using a logo wrong is using weird colors to go with it, or maybe aligning it weirdly for whatever the use was. That still doesn't make a logo look bad, just the layout. I r confused.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 17 Oct 2015 21:26:11 No.238873 Report Delete

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Stop thinking of a logo as your child. The logo ain't your baby, the money is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 19 Oct 2015 05:57:25 No.239049 Report Delete

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>>238036
Well... You don't. You put the correct version in your portfolio, and let them shit all over your work. You get your money and you get out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2015 15:43:50 No.239284 Report Delete

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>>238041
>im in the wrong game then

Frank Lloyd Wright used to go into the homes he'd designed and rearrange the furniture as he felt it should be.

Today, we'd call him autistic and burn him with cigarettes until he stopped doing that.

Write a strong graphic identity system next time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Oct 2015 15:45:02 No.239285 Report Delete

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>>238389
also holy shit this

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 21 Oct 2015 21:38:39 No.239547 Report Delete

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You got paid and gave them full rights, so fuck off.

Just be lucky you found work. I bet you suck fucking ass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 07:18:40 No.239809 Report Delete

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>>238201

Are you trying to say a butcher can just ship whatever shreds of fat? No, this is the exact same situation. No matter how pretty a slice of beef you produce, no one will buy it if the meat merchant serves it on the floor, seasoned with shit. He'll go bankrupt and then blames you for poor quality products. The same applies to the misuse of logos. You have the responsibility to ensure that the logo isn't used wrong, for your own good and for the good of the company you work for, and because of that, you have to make a style guide. Whoever fails to understand such an elementary thing has no right to call themselves a graphic designer.

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