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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:28:42 No.7282173 View Reply Report Delete

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Why does /lit/ hate him so much?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:29:16 No.7282178 Report Delete

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He's asian.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:31:26 No.7282186 Report Delete

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>>7282173
he's a bad author

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:31:35 No.7282187 Report Delete

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/lit/ hates anything that could ever be thought of as "entry level".

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:33:28 No.7282193 Report Delete

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>>7282173
/lit/ hates no one.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:34:47 No.7282197 Report Delete

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>>7282193
/lit/ never lies

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:52:17 No.7282269 Report Delete

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>>7282197
NO PERSON IS HATED BY /LIT/

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:54:18 No.7282284 Report Delete

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Does he write kawaii light novels?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:01:47 No.7282333 Report Delete

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His characters have sex and do normie stuff.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:06:36 No.7282359 Report Delete

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>>7282284
nope

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:07:46 No.7282364 Report Delete

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>>7282173
I don't know, I've always enjoyed the majority of his works.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:11:00 No.7282374 Report Delete

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>>7282173
I think it's a fanbase thing, it's like how a large section of /mu/ hates La Dispute, because they hate the fans. Many Murakami fans, from my understanding, act as if they're well read because they read his stuff. I've never read him myself, but according to less vitriolic /lit/izens is that he's pretty talented but is vastly overrated by his fans who portray him as a literary genius who deserves a Nobel Prize. Dunno why he gets flak for what his fans do, but that's the go-to for people hating something in any field of interest.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:17:18 No.7282405 Report Delete

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>>7282173
For most people, the real reason for hating Murakami is that teenage girls like him.

His books are all style (but the same style in every book) and no substance. He gets good reviews, which drives people who don't see any substance in his books pretty nuts.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:21:02 No.7282423 Report Delete

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>>7282405
>all style and no substance

you don't read.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:22:23 No.7282434 Report Delete

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Because I hate surrealist 2deep4u trash.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:23:05 No.7282435 Report Delete

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He's the wrong Murakami, simple.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:27:52 No.7282458 Report Delete

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>>7282435
Coin locker babies is great. Does this live up to the hype?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:28:26 No.7282464 Report Delete

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>>7282423
Cool

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:47:25 No.7282567 Report Delete

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>>7282458
I quite liked it, at least. But I've only read this one so far

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:50:36 No.7282585 Report Delete

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He's obviously a poor reader, which is quite THE fault if you plan to write for a living. He has entry level tastes developed from the stuff from abroad that arbitrarily leaked into Japan's culture (similar to the European lit introduced in pre-War Japan), all very Western. So instead of discussing Noh theatre or a local Shinto festivity, he talks about some symphony or an obscure Jazz player, which is more relatable to the Western world. He has no definite style, only cliches from popular culture and/or his own literature.
He thinks bringing a character to life is to explain he likes this or that, that he practices X discipline, etc. He thinks you need to relate to a character to follow his life story, which is why he throws so many hooks at the reader to make him relate, which is pretty damn easy when most of your main characters are 20-30yos John Grey's, who lack any personality of their own and are all about common sense. Oh, but they also like jazz and enjoy running... wow, such depth of character.

He's despised not only by /lit/ but also by Japanese critics. He's basically Paulo Coelho for weaboos and teenagers. At any rate, he's overhyped by people that have no knowledge of Jap literature, magical realism or existentialism. The philosophy behind him is so easy going, tolerant and stoic most immature people instantly love him, and that's because his readers are largely ignorant.

Whenever you find yourself in front of a "page turner" (ezpz prose, no discernible use of structure) it's usually a sign of how that specific book is filled with banalities.

My personal reason to hate him is because he wrote the worst introduction I've read by a published author (see Soseki's Sanshiro by Penguin). If I'd written such retarded thing about one of the fathers of the literature of my own country I'd feel embarrassed to death. The funny thing it reads just like any other chapter from a Murakami novel:
>i'm lazy and have no drive
>i don't like to tackle complex stuff because i'm pretty dumb
>stuff simply happens to me (usually carried out by women)
>i'll speak of the subject matter in terms of liking/disliking

Literally, a fucking pleb with a bunch of poses.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:53:32 No.7282600 Report Delete

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>>7282585
>he isn't exotic and japonois and weaboo enough for me
dumbest criticism that is always levelled against him

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:04:43 No.7282641 Report Delete

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>>7282600
>long post
>half a dozen reasons
>im gonna post this straw man
See, this is the perfect example of a Murakami reader: he lacks any skill at reading comprehension

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:07:23 No.7282649 Report Delete

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>>7282600
Fuckoff, retard.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:18:45 No.7282697 Report Delete

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>>7282641
>can't handle someone pointing stupid Orientalist criticism
calm down whitey

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:19:55 No.7282702 Report Delete

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>>7282173

His novels are remarkably formulaic. If you've read one, you've read them all. He's not creative.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:04:14 No.7283355 Report Delete

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>>7282173
/Lit/ pretty much hate anything read by 'normies', classics aside. Even some classics get shit on because of that.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:19:48 No.7283428 Report Delete

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I can't stand another one of his "I'm a decent guy who just does weird wacky things but it all works out" protagonists.

His best work was "After the Quake" by far, but just about anything where he doesn't have a formulaic male protag is good too.

I love the way he introduces magical elements, I think it's a strength of his that works well in most cases when the protag doesn't immediately go "Wow this is interesting lets play along!"

Jesus murakami if you namedrop another fucking jazz disc I will kill myself and take the form of a sheepman just to torture you for the rest of your existence.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:22:38 No.7283434 Report Delete

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Instead of liking jazz all his protags should now like prog rock

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:56:38 No.7283571 Report Delete

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>>7283434
so make it even more pleb?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:19:53 No.7284209 Report Delete

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>>7282173
I read Tokio Blues (Norwegian Wood), and it was boring as fuck. And I'm a guy who enjoy purple prose.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:24:14 No.7284221 Report Delete

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>>7282423
haha this was the first thing I thought when I read his post too.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:28:07 No.7284230 Report Delete

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Boring character's for whom things just "happen to".

Gratuitous sex scenes which add nothing to the plot (and are, worst of all, really creepy and sometimes a bit rapey, though this isn't acknowledged by the author).

No punch, no drive. No meaning. Not even a satisfying conclusion.

I should say that I have only read Norwegian Wood.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:30:16 No.7284233 Report Delete

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>>7284209
>Norwegian Wood
Isn't it good?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:39:58 No.7284250 Report Delete

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>>7284233
Is not really that bad. It's just that I don't "feel" it. It's monotonous, and as someone said before, without substance.
I think Murakami wanted to do something like "5 Cm per Second". But he is not Makoto Shinkai.

Vid related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdM7athAem0

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:58:02 No.7284300 Report Delete

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>>7284250

5cm is vapid shit, and comparing Shinkai to Murakami is an insult to the latter.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:04:34 No.7284321 Report Delete

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>>7284300
Both are vapid shit. But 5cm made me feel. Should I despise it because it's a movie?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:31:39 No.7284371 Report Delete

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>>7284321
You should despise it because it is anime trash

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:31:50 No.7284372 Report Delete

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>>7284321

5 cm was a miserable attempt to evoke sympathy or empathy in its audience without working at it. Shinkai thinks singular expression of exaggerated melancholy and using flowery language is all one needs to establish a link, and all he gets is my contempt for his effort. The sheer lack of catharsis accompanied by cheese in the form of music at the end is addled even further by the absurd single mindedness of its protagonist and the shallowness of everything present in the movie. Despite the nature of the movie, it lacked what I would described as human feeling and it has made the rest of his filmography repulsive since it's generally regarded as his magnum opus.

I really hate the movie because it's just bad.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:34:15 No.7284378 Report Delete

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>>7284230
I felt the exact same way about Norwegian Wood.

Strangely, I liked Kafka on the Shore quite a bit, even though it has many of the same elements. It just has a very different tone, which apparently made it enjoyable.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:35:51 No.7284381 Report Delete

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>>7282284
His writing is akin to light novels in difficulty. There are japanese porn games with much more complex and beautiful writing than his.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:38:33 No.7284387 Report Delete

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>>7284372
The ending pissed me off the most. As much as I get what he tried to do with it, it still felt like the whole movie amounted to a fruitless effort.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:02:40 No.7284771 Report Delete

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>>7284372
>>7284387
I liked what it was trying to do, but ultimately I just found it to be unsatisfying and unbelievable that this short relationship they had at 14 would drive this dude's life for like fifteen years. It felt kind of forced and since the movie was so short we don't get any real sense for who these characters are and why they felt the way they did. It felt scatterbrained and entirely unfocused, I didn't hate it but I can't see why it's so popular.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:04:39 No.7284776 Report Delete

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>>7284771
>I just found it to be unsatisfying and unbelievable that this short relationship they had at 14 would drive this dude's life for like fifteen years.

First love use to be the strongest one.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:18:42 No.7284808 Report Delete

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>>7282585
Pretty good. Accurate and succinct.
Saving this for future threads.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:20:04 No.7284814 Report Delete

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>>7284776
Even with that I doubt most people's first love was so great that years of being apart and having other attractive people coming on to you would make it last. It felt really damn schmaltzy.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:27:55 No.7284843 Report Delete

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>>7284814
You don't have that girl who got away?

About 10 years ago I was into this girl that I visited twice on holiday, she lived on the other side of the planet from me. Outgoing, fun, lovely, beautiful, independent, strong mind, smart, half Korean/German, everything in one package. Of course, we were young then, barely out of high school - I went to university, she stayed there, she went her way and I went my way.

I've since married, yet I still think of her about once a week; distance and old memories make it easy to concentrate on the good stuff, and if you've only had a short relationship, there's no possibility to create bad memories. I can rationalize as much as I want, anon, but still, but still.....

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:39:04 No.7284878 Report Delete

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I like his short stories, the protagonists are a lot more varied and you don't have time to get annoyed by his cliches.

As already said, a lot of people here just reflexively hate him because he's popular with normal people, and will go to great lengths to justify this hatred. He's mediocre at worst.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:43:12 No.7284891 Report Delete

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>>7282405
These. To be fair, he's not so talented that it's ridiculous not to enjoy his books. Murakami didn't write until he was ~30, and it shows.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:51:22 No.7284915 Report Delete

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>>7282173
he's popular and not shit

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:53:34 No.7284923 Report Delete

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It's funny. He really does have many negative points, but he's still enjoyable in a way, and I've read all of his books. He's certainly not literary, though. He's very repetitive (like any 2-bit hack), uses dreadful prose, and his books often aren't that long.

But I can't read Roth, Wallace and Proust all the time.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:56:13 No.7284927 Report Delete

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>>7284843
I can see what you mean. I've never had the one that got away myself, so I guess I just can't relate.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:56:23 No.7284929 Report Delete

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>>7282585
>he's accessible so he's shit
>he doesn't give me "exotic nippon" instead he gives me postwar westernized japan
>comparing him to a self-help book writer
>"there's no depth to action, only in articulation of whatever edgy philosophy you hold"
>an establishment of lit critique dinossaurs don't like so he's shit

lol

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:56:39 No.7284930 Report Delete

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>>7284814
Japanese obsession, mate.

>>7284843
Seems that I'm not the only one. It's a strong feeling. In my situation, I was too scared to take the big step. She was the 10/10 of the high school. Intelligent, attractive, nice. She rejected all those cool guys, and waited for me... But I was an idiot. Then she left. I've never talked to her again.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:57:05 No.7284933 Report Delete

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>>7284923
What does the length of a book have to do with it being "literary"? /lit/ is embarrassing.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:58:31 No.7284937 Report Delete

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>>7284923
>uses dreadful prose
What's the point of saying this about a (it's reasonable to assume) japanese to english translation? idgi

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:59:13 No.7284941 Report Delete

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>>7284923
>throw around a bunch of buzzwords like "literary" (lol)
>"The prose is dreadful."
>"But I cannot read such sophisticated authors such as Philip Roth (lol) all the time."

lmao

the average murakami detractor in his 20s

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:01:05 No.7284945 Report Delete

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>>7284923
I hope for your sake this was a well built case of false flagging.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:29:34 No.7285027 Report Delete

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Sometimes people on lit should just read Murakami and chill.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:34:35 No.7285049 Report Delete

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>>7284923
why must you do this to my nigga proust?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:36:08 No.7285056 Report Delete

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>>7285027
But I have no gf ;_;

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