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>>7286402
>>7286423
>>7286437

This post-modern rejection of fundamental morality is beyond tiresome. How can one possibly describe the Holocaust without employing the word evil? A complete absence of good.

I suspect it's all part of this liberal cultural-relativism trend which is giving the Left a bad name. It makes me want to spew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:41:25 No.7286485 Report Delete

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Evil as a metaphysical force? Yes. It is subordinate to the Good, but it exists. There's too much depraved, repugnant shit out there for evil as a quality to not exist.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:42:34 No.7286493 Report Delete

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>>7286438
MY SIDES, REKT.

/thread.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:47:25 No.7286515 Report Delete

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>>7286451
>25.
>JUST AS EXTREMISM IS VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM PARODY, EARNEST SINCERITY IS VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM SATIRE.

top kel

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:47:56 No.7286518 Report Delete

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I acknowledge that the banality of evil as embodied as Stefan Molyneux, the most boring, and the most evil, man alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:56:53 No.7286566 Report Delete

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I believe in the Kantian evil for evils sake type evil as being the worst type of evil. I think it exists but is very rare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:58:40 No.7286578 Report Delete

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>>7286518

Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:01:37 No.7286591 Report Delete

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ebil is meme

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:04:21 No.7286604 Report Delete

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>>7286478
>How can one possibly describe the Holocaust without employing the word evil?
The conscentless, institutionalized ending human life before natural death. There.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:07:07 No.7286609 Report Delete

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>>7286604

Bland.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:09:33 No.7286626 Report Delete

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>>7286609
It's only bland because your mind is bland; most of those terms don't even make sense outside modern understanding.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:10:38 No.7286631 Report Delete

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>>7286626

Nonsensical.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:13:32 No.7286647 Report Delete

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>>7286631
Insufficient.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:17:00 No.7286658 Report Delete

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>>7286626
well it was also misspelt and grammared with awkwardness

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:24:06 No.7286700 Report Delete

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>>7286658
And you say this while neither punctuating nor capitalizing! The balls on you!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:31:22 No.7286730 Report Delete

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Evil is the extreme lack of morality. Morality is a system of ethics. I'm not making a claim to the physicality of evil, but one can ascribe the property of being evil to a person just like one can ascribe the property of "being useless", even though neither concepts are contained within the laws of physics.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:34:13 No.7286740 Report Delete

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>>7286647
blasphemies.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:38:03 No.7286751 Report Delete

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>>7286478
>How can one possibly describe the Holocaust without employing the word evil?
>being this dramatic

genocide has been a staple of human life forever, it's just that this one applied a modern fordian approach to it. being more efficient doesn't make it 'evil'.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:45:36 No.7286783 Report Delete

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>connotation on his hat in incantation font

i don't watch moly but what is the deal with this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:49:29 No.7286804 Report Delete

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>>7286751

Genocides of all types are evil. It's not exclusive to Shoah by any means.

Also, just to clarify, just because something has happened enough times to become a 'staple' doesn't reduce its horror.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:50:24 No.7286809 Report Delete

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>>7286804
Genocide is no more evil than regular killing, unless you're a racist.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:52:50 No.7286817 Report Delete

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>>7286809

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:55:57 No.7286839 Report Delete

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>>7286817
I'm not shitposting at all. If you think that genocide is worse than other killing you do so because the difference is that genocide targets a specific ethnic group.

In other words, you are saying that killing a 100 people of ethnic group X is worse than killing a 100 people of random ethnic groups, thereby valuing the lives of said ethnic group more than the lives of people in general.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:57:35 No.7286845 Report Delete

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>>7286839

>In other words, you are saying that killing a 100 people of ethnic group X is worse than killing a 100 people of random ethnic groups, thereby valuing the lives of said ethnic group more than the lives of people in general

Oh come on, try harder than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:59:15 No.7286851 Report Delete

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>>7286845
That is the only reason why genocide could be considered worse than killing in general. It's the only difference between the two, after all.

Why else would you consider genocide extra bad?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:03:00 No.7286869 Report Delete

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>>7286851

I'm beginning to think you might be sincere (and really quite stupid).

>That is the only reason why genocide could be considered worse than killing in general
>Why else would you consider genocide extra bad?

Other than being a practically meaningless statement, can you actually quote me? Where did I say that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:12:42 No.7286915 Report Delete

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>>7286869
Why single out genocide as being evil then and not saying (mass) murder in general? Why mention the Holocaust specifically?

Murder is murder. Unless you think the lives of certain groups are worth more than others.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:17:40 No.7286933 Report Delete

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>>7286915
Im not him but the holocaust was clearly just a straightforward example you fucking mong. He never argued that randomly selecting people to kill wasnt evil.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:26:07 No.7286989 Report Delete

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>>7286933

This. Thank you.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:28:14 No.7287003 Report Delete

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>>7286478
My comment was >>7286437 I agree with you dummy.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:30:24 No.7287011 Report Delete

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>>7286933
>>7286989
Going for the holocaust is a trite rhetoric device.

>it's the shoah guys how can it possibly not be evil!?

I've yet to hear you explain what's so evil about it though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:30:42 No.7287013 Report Delete

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>>7286478
Because there's no clear cut absolute that tells me what is right or wrong. There are thousands of insinuations, but no universal bona-fide 110% "no snake oil here folks" ethical theory that can operate with total certainty. And that lack of certainty, means subjectivism, with means relativism, which means nihilism.

Sad state.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:31:56 No.7287016 Report Delete

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Daily reminder objective morality is determinable through neuroscience

torture and systematic massacres of people who disagree with you isn't ethically wrong though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:32:47 No.7287024 Report Delete

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>>7287013
>And that lack of certainty, means subjectivism, with means relativism, which means nihilism.
I'd say it would lead to scepticism and quietism. Nihilism is too presumptuous.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:33:48 No.7287030 Report Delete

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>>7287013
>I need people to tell me what right and wrong are instead of following my intuition
>I also believe all ethical doctrines are snake oil because reasons

moderns are so spineless

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:45:02 No.7287073 Report Delete

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>>7287030
If 'muh feels' are the best ethical argument you can muster than you might as well not bother.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:46:27 No.7287083 Report Delete

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>>7287073
you're out of your depth here champ. go solve some equations or something

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:46:46 No.7287086 Report Delete

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>>7287011
Not either of those people but I guess you could argue that genocide is worse than random mass murder, numbers being equal, because with genocide you're not just killing people, you're also trying to wipe out a culture, a civilization completely. It would be worse in the same way killing the last 100 remaining black rhinos is worse than killing 100 cows

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:53:08 No.7287113 Report Delete

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>>7287083
'muh feelsies are objectively right' isn't very deep, lad.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:56:46 No.7287132 Report Delete

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>>7287086
>Not either of those people but I guess you could argue that genocide is worse than random mass murder, numbers being equal, because with genocide you're not just killing people, you're also trying to wipe out a culture, a civilization completely.
Exactly, and that is where the discrimination comes in. "These people's lives are worth more because they're extra rare Jews".

> It would be worse in the same way killing the last 100 remaining black rhinos is worse than killing 100 cows
It would be more like 100 cows with a type of mooing you like and therefore consider worth protecting over other cows.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:56:53 No.7287133 Report Delete

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>>7287113
>he thinks there is no truth value outside of language and numbers

Literally middle school

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:00:28 No.7287158 Report Delete

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>>7287133
If there is truth value in feelsies then you end up with the relativism the other anon mentioned.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:02:00 No.7287168 Report Delete

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>>7287132
>Exactly, and that is where the discrimination comes in.
>Saying discrimination is wrong is discriminatory because it would mean a group of people is being treated better
>(You)

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:02:29 No.7287174 Report Delete

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>>7287158
We're not talking about feelsies. We're talking about the mystic's immediate experience of the present. There is an age of ethical theories worth in just breathing and being mindful.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:04:58 No.7287188 Report Delete

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>>7287174
>the mystic's immediate experience of the present.
Feelsies under a pretentious name.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:05:38 No.7287190 Report Delete

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>>7287188
Whatever you say my friend

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:11:57 No.7287218 Report Delete

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Evil doesn't exist as an object, like a chair or something, but there are any number of existent states of affairs the term is used to describe. So sure. Evil exists, at least in some senses of the term.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:17:34 No.7287253 Report Delete

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Once you acknowledge that most human beings have an innate understanding of morality, you realise that evil exists as a binary opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:21:52 No.7287281 Report Delete

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>>7286402
Evil does not exist.

Misdirection of Free Will tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:24:26 No.7287303 Report Delete

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Evil is just a melodramatic way of saying 'I really, really don't like this'.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:26:24 No.7287316 Report Delete

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>>7286422

I would say evil is that which is poisonous, hostile, and says No to life. Not merely survival, but Life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:30:01 No.7287343 Report Delete

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>>7287303
>posted by some pampered fag who thinks evil is fallout 4 getting delayed a week before release

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:30:54 No.7287346 Report Delete

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>>7286422

Anything Stefan Molyneux doesn't like tbh fam.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:36:50 No.7287372 Report Delete

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>>7286422
Misdirection of Free Will

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:39:26 No.7287386 Report Delete

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>>7287343
>getting upset over getting your opinions exposed as being just that

!!6CacHYe/lH9

!!6CacHYe/lH9 Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:27:20 No.7287940 Report Delete

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>>7286402
Does OP acknowledge himself being a faggot?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:30:42 No.7287955 Report Delete

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>>7287281
How can free will be misdirected if it is free.

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