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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 14:35:16 No.13396301 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13396310 >>13397213 >>13397360 >>13401532

So the novel Mobile Suit Gundam 00V : Battlefield Record mentions that after the ELS ceased hostility, eventually all humans became Innovators and everlasting peace was succesfull. I have two questions

Does that mean that Anno Domini is the only peaceful timeline of the franchise? Or am I missing some other series?

Also, do all humans look like Setsuna now? Does that mean that Earth is full of Ayyy lmaos?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 14:38:13 No.13396310 Report Delete

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>>13396301
yes
no
no
mix

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 17:32:02 No.13397213 Report Delete

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>>13396301
if you decide to ignore Black history since Tomino now doesn't give a shit about it either, G also has a hopeful ending with a peaceful earth

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Spanish Inquisition Fri 23 Oct 2015 17:36:10 No.13397246 Report Delete

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Didn't the ELS leave the solar system for some other place, leaving behind the flower as a symbol of friendship?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 17:54:12 No.13397347 Report Delete

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>>13397246

Not all of them at least, no - because the time-skip epilogue shows at least a few ELS/Human hybrid characters on the crew of the Sumeragi.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 17:57:01 No.13397360 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13397393 >>13397820 >>13397875 >>13399528

>>13396301
00V also mentions a human-innovator war that happened immediately after the movie ended, before Setsuna comes back. So basically the "peace" we saw in the epilogue was only reached after 50 years of constant bloodshed.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 18:03:23 No.13397393 Report Delete

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>>13397360
I've heard of this war everywhere, but is 00V the only place where it's mentioned? Also did the original Gundam meisters participate in the war? And is there any manga,light novel or game about it?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 18:15:48 No.13397444 Report Delete

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>>13397393
The Gundam meisters (minus Setsuna) were very likely involved considering the variant designs that we've seen. As for the war itself, there's not really much material out there that chronicles the story but based on what I've read it's similar to the natural-coordinator conflict from SEED.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 18:24:44 No.13397472 Report Delete

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>>13397444
sounds interesting,maybe down the line we could get an expansion of this, maybe an OVA or movie
since it happens before the end of awottb I don't think it would really affect it's message

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 19:45:58 No.13397812 Report Delete

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AG (AGE) is also peaceful, unless you count fan theories that PD (IBO) is AG's far-fetched sequel.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 19:48:05 No.13397820 Report Delete

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>>13397360
>human-innovator war that happened immediately after the movie ended

Except for the part where most of the military is pro-Innovator, and Celestial Being starts whipping out even more Gundams to help the military. It sounds less like a war to me, and more like an uprising.

But the most interesting thing was the fact that while Innovators were reclutant to fight, the human faction used everything they had to kill innovators, even forcefully turning their pilots into pseudo Innovator like Louise to fight against the Innovators.

Unlike the Ccordinator/Human conflict where both sides wanted to wipe out each other.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 19:51:34 No.13397839 Report Delete

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>>13397820
>forcefully turning their pilots into pseudo Innovator like Louise to fight the Innovators

Wouldn't that basically create an army of mentally unstable pilots? Louise cleary wasn't sane when she killed Nena

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 19:56:02 No.13397875 Report Delete

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>>13397360
>50 years of constant bloodshed
It sounds less like the full-scale war against the Innovators and ELS, and more like a unified effort from the ESF against a low-level insurgency. Think of al-Qaeda.

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 19:57:55 No.13397889 Report Delete

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>>13397839

It sounds even more stupid than in SEED to be honest. It was dumb enough when the Federation were turning teens in to post-humans using drugs and science and then using them to fight the post-humans they totally hate the existence of and never want to exist, but at least there there was a distinction of "well, coordinators are born that way and our guys aren't". Innovation isn't even a born thing, at least for the first generation, it can be done by anyone at anytime with a little radiation exposure essentially. Making yourself some totally not innovators to fight the innovators when innovation can be done by anyone and appears to be fairly cheap, easy and efficient given that you can just bathe a fucktonne of people en-masse and get results is just beyond idiotic. If you hate innovators then why the hell are you making something that's an innovator in all but name to fight them?

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Anonymous Fri 23 Oct 2015 20:08:35 No.13397966 Report Delete

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>>13397889
>the Federation
Alliance. Not the same thing.

>If you hate innovators then why the hell are you making something that's an innovator in all but name to fight them?
They probably justify it as "means to an end". Also, we barely know anything about the novel outside some pointers here and there.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 00:57:28 No.13399361 Report Delete

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>>13397820
Didn't Louise turn into a genuine Innovator by the time of Trailblazer?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:00:40 No.13399380 Report Delete

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Can we all agree 00 did it better than Eva?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:04:40 No.13399400 Report Delete

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>>13399361
No, she has a fucked up body and is forced to take pills for not dying. If she was a true Innovator she wouldn't age, and she looks a woman in her 30s in the movie.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:19:21 No.13399454 Report Delete

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>>13399380
>00
>did anything better

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:24:22 No.13399471 Report Delete

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>>13399454
did zeta better

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:32:08 No.13399491 Report Delete

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>>13399471
Zeta was gayer.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 01:48:29 No.13399528 Report Delete

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>>13397360
>00V also mentions a human-innovator war that happened immediately after the movie ended, before Setsuna comes back. So basically the "peace" we saw in the epilogue was only reached after 50 years of constant bloodshed.
I like to think this is a reference to the traditional "colonists VS Earth Federation" war that Gundam fans are used to. Basically there is a traditional Gundam war but in 00 they actually told the PREVIOUS conflict.

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Spanish Inquisition Sat 24 Oct 2015 06:38:19 No.13400132 Report Delete

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>>13399400
>If she was a true Innovator she wouldn't age, and she looks a woman in her 30s in the movie.
Who says innovators don't age? The only natural ones we know are Descartes, who died quickly, and Setsuna, who doesn't age for obvious reasons. And the innovades weren't human, and could download theis minds in new bodies.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:44:27 No.13401532 Report Delete

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>>13396301
>after the ELS ceased hostility, eventually all humans became Innovators and everlasting peace was succesfull. I have two questions

i'm sorry but what the fucking shit? innovators were obviously a genetic creation by early celestial being to provide veda linking abilities, how setsuna was one was never explained. but humanity can't all just turn into them, that makes no sense.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 15:06:59 No.13401649 Report Delete

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>>13397839
If pseudo innovators dont die in the process they actually become true innovators, so hummans just went full retard.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 15:11:53 No.13401682 Report Delete

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>>13401532
>innovators were obviously a genetic creation
Innovados were actually human biologic machines created by Celestial Being and at start they called themselves 'Innovators' due Ribbons group rebelling and trying to take over Aeolia plan.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 15:12:55 No.13401685 Report Delete

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>>13401682
*human shaped biologic machines

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 15:17:22 No.13401698 Report Delete

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>>13401532
Not quite. You're thinking of the Innovades/Innovado. InnovaTOR is the next step of evolution that Setsuna undertook. InnovaDO is the artificial life-form.

As for how all of humanity could evolve into innovators, that's simple: novels aren't remotely canon.

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