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Remote Weapons thread

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 10:16:47 No.13400450 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13400460 >>13400471 >>13401325 >>13401368 >>13402743 >>13407336 >>13408752 >>13411384 >>13411596

So, why the hell can only newtypes use bits/funnels? Just use a fucking touch pad to click on where you want them to go, select some options on a menu(Hold/Pursue/Return), and have a separate trigger on the control stick.

Also, discuss remote weapons in general, I guess. Favorite machines, practicality, etc.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 10:19:50 No.13400460 Report Delete

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>>13400450
>So, why the hell can only newtypes use bits/funnels?
Mostly due to Minovsky interference.
>Just use a fucking touch pad to click on where you want them to go, select some options on a menu(Hold/Pursue/Return), and have a separate trigger on the control stick.
That's pretty much exactly how remote weapons work in a lot of the AU series.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 10:24:50 No.13400471 Report Delete

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>>13400450
>So, why the hell can only newtypes use bits/funnels? Just use a fucking touch pad to click on where you want them to go, select some options on a menu(Hold/Pursue/Return), and have a separate trigger on the control stick.
Think about what kind of computers we had when the funnels were first envisioned. This was simply too impossible to be plausible to the audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:00:43 No.13401322 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13401330 >>13401331 >>13401334 >>13401368

I love funnels, but does the Gedelza really need 14 GN Fangs, each of which has like 10 of their own GN Fangs?

The hell was this thing designed to fight, everything at once? Calm down.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:02:05 No.13401325 Report Delete

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>>13400450
>The hell was this thing designed to fight, everything at once?
Well it is a mobile armor. So the answer is probably yes.
Also it looks like a giant purple dick so it was probably someone on the design team compensating for something.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:03:06 No.13401330 Report Delete

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>>13401325
meant for >>13401322
my bad

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:03:09 No.13401331 Report Delete

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>>13401322
I dunno, I like the idea of a MS which is basically Starcraft's Carrier.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:04:14 No.13401334 Report Delete

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>>13401322
>The hell was this thing designed to fight, everything at once?
I think it was meant to be a proof of concept of what could be done with an innovator pilot. The thing IS the size of a cruiser, after all. It damn well better have a lot of attack power.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:09:08 No.13401352 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13401380

Both 00 and SEED had them working with AI. UC can't have that because of Minovsky magic.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:12:13 No.13401365 Report Delete

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Having a direct link with free-flying, brainwave-controlled weapons and being able to pilot effectively at the same time points to Newtypes being better multitaskers than oldtypes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:12:57 No.13401367 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13401373 >>13402430

So, real talk: Just how much of a pain in the ass would fighting funnel weapons be? Several absurdly small targets shooting at you from all sides all at once, while the primary target is also shooting you, and probably closing to melee range.

Fucking asshole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:13:20 No.13401368 Report Delete

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>>13401322
ZZ did it first. Geymelk had mother bits or whatever.

>>13400450
In a battlefield ships spread minovsky particles which cause intense interference of normal communication channels. Newtypes emit special brainwaves called psycowaves that can permeate through anything, i.e. they can't be obstructed. That means funnels will always be able to communicate with the host MS.

I'm actually surprised they didn't just have drones in Gundam. UC already had stuff like the learning computer and ALICE. I guess a smart enough drone would be too expensive or something since AI is rarely featured. The Amakusa sort of counts but it had a literal testtube brain that had Amuro's combat data crammed into it.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:14:26 No.13401373 Report Delete

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>>13401367
If it's anything like the funnels from CCA you're fucked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:16:09 No.13401380 Report Delete

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>>13401352
Unless it's wire-guided, like incoms or the pseudo-psycommu seen on the Hamma-Hamma, the interference generated by Minovsky particles prevents traditional guided weapons from being used, correct?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:19:34 No.13401395 Report Delete

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>>13401380
You wouldn't be able to have the ms computer control them wirelessly, but you could put simple bots into the remote weapon.
Just imagine trying to fight against a Jamesgun with 12 Victory-Haro-Operated remote weapons buzzing all around you.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 14:23:14 No.13401419 Report Delete

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>>13401368
>I'm actually surprised they didn't just have drones in Gundam.
Mobile Dolls demonstrate why that's dumb. Trieze did have a point, there's no reason to even wage war at all if we're just gonna throw toys at each other. Might as well just talk out our problems like adults then.

>>13401373
>lighting fast
>shooting from any angle
>tiny and hard to hit
Seriously, bits/funnels are rat bastards. The only reason Amuro and Char last any length of time in that fight is because their both newtypes and fighting each other.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:22:11 No.13402264 Report Delete

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bump

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:37:13 No.13402333 Report Delete

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:41:58 No.13402355 Report Delete

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>>13402333
What's this from?

Also, will Iron Blodded Orphans have bits/funnels eventually, or is that not gritty enough?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:43:05 No.13402360 Report Delete

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:48:24 No.13402385 Report Delete

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>>13402355
Gundam AGE: Memory of Eden

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:50:50 No.13402402 Report Delete

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>>13402333
AGE beam bits were pretty great.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 17:57:15 No.13402430 Report Delete

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>>13401367
considering how annoying they are in video games i'd say they are cause for immediate surrender

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:12:55 No.13402491 Report Delete

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>>13402430
Drone weapons are one of those things that changes the paradigm of a conflict. A technology that's so bullshit powerful you have to start developing stuff to counter it.

What IS a reliable defense against this anyway? Gundam has I-fields, I guess, but forcefields ain't exactly foolproof. Signal jamming fucks with your equipment as well.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:24:12 No.13402544 Report Delete

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>>13402333
>>13402360
>>13402385
You know sometimes I forget age had some pretty good animation and choreography

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:25:14 No.13402549 Report Delete

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>>13402491
EMP's or counter drones really,if it's a last resort thing and you're fighting a swarm then just go for the nuke

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:28:16 No.13402562 Report Delete

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>>13402544
The bits and C-funnels and AGE-3 glassing a desert were the only good parts of Age.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:29:26 No.13402568 Report Delete

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>>13402544
I do remember them well since they contrasted pretty hard with the rest of the crap.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:33:07 No.13402589 Report Delete

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>>13402562
Nah Obright's final skirmish with Fram and some of Wolf and Asemu's stuff was good too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:37:57 No.13402618 Report Delete

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>>13402355
IBO should not since its mechanics are realistic enough for the main mecha to have reactors attached to its feets, and not just the usual "two reactors in the backpack is enough to fly my ass off".

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:39:41 No.13402632 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13402659 >>13409707

Do Ghosts count?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 18:44:35 No.13402659 Report Delete

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>>13402632
yeah,those are probably the closest /m/ weapon to what we have today

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 19:03:34 No.13402743 Report Delete

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>>13400450
>>13401368
>why dont they just make computerised funnels
They're called bugs anons

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 20:36:19 No.13403301 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13403429

So funnels require an occasional return trip to the primary unit to recharge. Okay, but do they take power from the suit's reactor, or is there a secondary power source specifically for recharging the funnels?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 21:07:17 No.13403429 Report Delete

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>>13403301
from the suit's reactor unless stated otherwise

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 07:16:47 No.13405191 Report Delete

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>>13402743
Bugs are bits the same way A-Laws' automatons are. That is, not really.

Besides, targeting civvies is a bitch move.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 07:25:01 No.13405205 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13405824 >>13409249 >>13411414

Is it really possible to make such maneuverable and fast little flying things?
Never mind about controlling them.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:39:03 No.13405333 Report Delete

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>>13405191
>besides, targeting civvies is a bitch move
t. Peasant
You wont get cosmo babylonian citizenship at this rate mate

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:55:22 No.13405824 Report Delete

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>>13405205
If they can make giant robot that can fly in both atmosphere and in space, they damn well can make flying guns.

In real life though? Maybe. Predator drones are a thing after all.

>>13405333
F9-1 was such wasted potential. Maybe if it was a full series, the Vanguard's wants and methods would've made sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:57:15 No.13405830 Report Delete

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>>13402333
>they get blocked by a spimming metal cable

Garbage

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:26:21 No.13407336 Report Delete

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>>13400450
Same reason why only koreans can starcrft

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:19:19 No.13408731 Report Delete

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How did the Top/Bottom attachments in Victory work? They sort of used those like funnels at one point.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:23:31 No.13408752 Report Delete

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>>13400450
For bits in OYW era, maybe. But remember the Jegan-rape scene from Unicorn? Do you want every pilot to be a Korean Starcraft micro-king with 3000 apm?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:00:13 No.13409187 Report Delete

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>>13408752

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:05:28 No.13409215 Report Delete

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>>13409187
Now I want this webm edited so she's playing starcraft.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:07:55 No.13409225 Report Delete

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https://youtu.be/ydfki8hFnko?t=95

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:13:29 No.13409249 Report Delete

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>>13405205
>Is it really possible to make such maneuverable and fast little flying things?
>>13405824
>If they can make giant robot that can fly in both atmosphere and in space, they damn well can make flying guns.
Yeah, if you can make Gundams fly then anything goes.

We have the computer power to have automated drones already. The issue is sustained flight. Most Gundam shows have anti-gravity of one sort or another, or restrict funnels to Space only. To have decent hovering weapons is still very far away. Right now we are stuck with propeller drones because jet hover use up propellent too quickly.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:15:29 No.13409262 Report Delete

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>>13409187
..... Gracious.

There's just, nothing a normal MS can do against this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:26:09 No.13409324 Report Delete

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>>13409187
>>13409262
I haven't seen Unicorn yet, but I've seen this webm so many times and it never fails to make me mad. Partly because past a certain point she's just playing with the poor grunt and making its pilot that much more panicked before destruction, and partly because it's just wasting its e-cap/draining its generator.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:29:53 No.13409343 Report Delete

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>>13409324
She's not that kind of person, it's just for the mecha porn.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:35:31 No.13409365 Report Delete

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>>13409324
Then again, it could be that she already ordered the funnels to shoot consecutively and it takes too much effort to call them off. The actual sequence could be much faster than it looks and only slowed down for dramatic effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:00:50 No.13409473 Report Delete

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>>13401419
I remember when I first watched wing I was fully expecting the mobile dolls to pull a skynet, especially when they added the zero system to them. I was disappointed at the time but looking back that probably wouldn't be any better given the writing in the show.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:13:35 No.13409707 Report Delete

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>>13402632
Fucking Ghosts.

>Fast with no fleshbags forcing it to slow down
>Carry about as much weapons as a VF
>Vernier thrusters so fucking powerful, they can zigzag through the atnosphere

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:48:29 No.13409903 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13409917 >>13411031 >>13411092 >>13411338

TBH I'm kinda surprised no other series has followed Gundam X's lead and had whole mobile suits as bit.

Hell, you could take it to nightmarish levels - imagine a mobile suit with basic gear rifle/sabre/vulcans/shield and say incoms and psycommu.
Then it runs four identical bit MS with the same loadout.
Then just replace the incoms with funnels.

Hell make the beefiest battleship you can, and then have newtypes run bit MS off it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:53:20 No.13409914 Report Delete

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>>13402491
NT-D comes to mind, or the Rozen Zulu's Psyco Jammer.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:55:53 No.13409917 Report Delete

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>>13409903
00 kinda had bit mobile suits, with the Seravee and all.

Bit mobile suits seem like a logistical headache though, maintenance, fuel, storage, all for support units? Nah.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:04:13 No.13409941 Report Delete

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>>13409917

>Bit mobile suits seem like a logistical headache though, maintenance, fuel, storage, all for support units? Nah.

True, but I think that's off set by the destructive potential of such a unit.

I mean, imagine a unit of mobile suits that are all Amuro. He is psychically controlling all of them, you don't know which one he's in and bang he just shot down your whole battlegroup.

It's not going to win the war, but it will win a fuck ton of battles.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:29:48 No.13411031 Report Delete

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>>13409903
>Hell make the beefiest battleship you can, and then have newtypes run bit MS off it.
That's exactly what the Gadelaza in the 00 movie was. A battleship sized mobile armor with mobile suit sized fangs powered by their own GN Tau drive that were armed with a gun and blade fangs of their own.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:45:02 No.13411092 Report Delete

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>>13409903
Wasn't that basically what Mobile Dolls were?

Also, I wish a Gundam series would get more into the Electronic Warfare side of things. I had fun designing a Suit for a fic which biggest strength came from using funnels to project EW and C&C suites like crazy. Sure, it didn't have a mega-super cannon, but it could also shut down an opponent's entire system.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:56:09 No.13411338 Report Delete

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>>13409941
>>13409903
I would like to see this in a video game as an end boss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:02:54 No.13411367 Report Delete

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>>13401368
>I'm actually surprised they didn't just have drones in Gundam.
What is an nemo.

>>13405824
>introducing F91 Origin
>never
muh feels

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:08:44 No.13411383 Report Delete

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>>13411092
>electronic warfare
I like the idea of bits/funnels that attach to enemy suits and hijack them.

Drones could also be used to defend friendly units. Command one or two to follow allies and shoot enemies who get near.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:09:10 No.13411384 Report Delete

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>>13400450
The psycommu machine to brain link actually works with oldtypes (works better with newtypes though). However you can't just broadcast the information to the funnels wirelessly due to minovsky interference. Thats where newtypes using funnels comes into play. Newtypes give off psycowaves, which is how they do that telepathy thing with each other. The psycommu system uses these waves to send the information to the funnels.

Oldtypes cannot emmit these waves without being turned into cyber newtypes, so to that end the quasi-psycommu system was developed, where the information is transmitted across phycal cables that keep the Incom tethered to the MS to get around the interference.

Basically, its not an issue of controlling the remote weapons, it's an issue of getting around the interference.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:18:32 No.13411414 Report Delete

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>>13405205
Yes, there is neat demo of control unit of some Japanese satelite. It literally hover and maneuver around on verniers alone.
Also, 3d model flying might be of interest for you.
Or swarm quads with computer vision

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:38:36 No.13411481 Report Delete

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>>13411338
Why? You'd never fucking finish the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:56:26 No.13411520 Report Delete

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>>13411367
The Nemo was just a grunt suit, the only real AI in UC was ALICE, maybe Amuro's Brain in Crossbone if you squint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:10:34 No.13411564 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>13412532

In the Snes F91 game some of the Cosmo Babylon units have what appears to be machinegun funnels. Does anyone know what they are called?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:19:42 No.13411596 Report Delete

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>>13400450
Whatareminkovskyparticlesalex

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:16:30 No.13412479 Report Delete

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>>13409941
but there is a problem where the newtype themselves would end up getting overwhelmed from all that stuff they had to manage plus control(due to a mobile suit having multiple limbs and most of the times multiple weapons and actions to do)

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:34:27 No.13412532 Report Delete

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>>13411564
a bad idea

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 10:54:59 No.13414707 Report Delete

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>>13412532
What's wrong with machine gun funnels?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 12:08:00 No.13414919 Report Delete

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>>13414707
Too much extra mass for the ammo and more recoil.

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