Okay, /m/. I've seen talk about western mecha shows. I've seen talk about Japanese shows that just happen to have robots in them.he and my mother gave me the same initials as James Tiberius Kirk , so now I feel like I need to give the series a bigger shot.
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>>13421917 The first season of tos is pretty good, they got actual science fiction writers to pen the eps, 2nd season has some pretty cool stuff (mostly the stuff that builds on top of season 1), but I think that's when they switched over to more in-house writers and modified fun-submitted stories. 3rd season.. by the time you get there, you should be too invested to really care about the quality of story. Wait, was Gorshin ep in season 3, that one was pretty cool.
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>>13421955 Thanks. Kirk and I also have the same
MBTI and
disbelief in no-win scenarios so I'm pretty excited.
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>>13421917 TNG has a weak first two seasons, only because of budget, not the writing. The middle section is really good, but the overlapping years with DS9 are... ok.
If you can keep this thread alive long enough for Dorkly to notice, then you'll get a more refined opinion. So keep it bumped.
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>>13421955 >fun-submitted *fan-submitted...
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>>13421955 yeah as much as 3 gets silly it's still got plenty of good stuff
but yeah, OP. just watch some tv shows. TOS is almost all standalone stuff.
TNG is a rough ride starting out, but seeing it develop into the modern Trek style is worth the trip
DS9 is a good show. It could be argued it's more an SF TV Drama set in the Trek universe more than it lives up to the ideals of what people look for in Trek, but that's neither here nor there.
Voyger is kinda okay sometimes. It has spaceships and forehead aliens. Don't worry about prioritizing it.
Enterprise has some good ideas, has some bad ideas. If they had developed it out to seven seasons it would probably be better-liked, kinda like how if KR Shin was a full thing
>>13421978 I'M DOING IT
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>>13421988 Thanks for the advice. How's TAS? Also, I've heard DS9 compared to Babylon 5. I've watched all of that. Is it a fair comparison?
Do you have hope the franchise will recover after the Wrath of Sherlock?
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>>13421988 TAS isn't that bad, especially for what's ostensibly a kid's show. And it follows up on a bunch of one-off TOS episodes. It's still kinda goofy and cheap, though.
I liked the Starfleet Corps of Engineers books, but Trek books are mostly for people who already like the franchise.
>>13421999 B5 and DS9 have some similarities. They're both cool shows.
There's definitely flaretrek 3 on the way. I'm curious to see what that fast furious guy and new Scotty make.
I think Trek could use a good stretch to take time off, like how Doctor Who did for a while. They made Trek nonstop from TNG in 88 to ent in 05. I didn't mind FlareTrek 1, mostly liked the cast, but Trek's always been very mixed bag for movies.
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>>13421999 Oh, the B5/DS9 controversy.. I believe it's true, but I also believe there might be aliens out there somewhere(though I full-heartedly believe the best SF stories are very human stories).
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Is game discussion allowed?
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>>13422037 Well, I mentioned games and books and such in the OP. Was wondering which of those are good too.
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I'm up to season 3 in DS9 myself, shit's pretty fun.
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>>13421917 >Is the whole of TOS worth watching? Fuck you, who cares WATCH THEM
>What about other series? Yes, them to you CUNT
>Are any of the books good? Actually yes, some are great.
>Video games? Mostly garbage, like 99.99%
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Watching the pilot now. This is actually really well-written and engrossing. It doesn't feel as slow-paced as a lot of shows from around the same time.
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>>13422045 And Louise Fletcher hits the hateable asshole role out of the park.
>>13421999 If DS9 wasn't cribbed from a B5 concept brief, it'd be a rather sizeable coincidence. That said, though there's definite similarities, they do enough of their own thing that I don't find either to feel like a retread of the other. I like them both.
TAS has Spock summoning the devil. I really need to get around to watching it one of these days.
Voyager's massively variable. The high notes are quite high, but the average is kind of meh, especially in the early seasons. On a recent rewatch, I found it got drastically better after season 3. Wonder if they kicked someone off the production staff.
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>>13422083 Voyager's a lot more entertaining with a gaggle of Trek nerds to appropriately laugh at it being Voyager or go "hey this isn't too bad, especially for Voyager" with
I've been catching it on-and-off over on 420/1701/'s cytube.
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For a show that was so forward-thinking about race and everything, how come there's never been a female Enterprise captain?Maybe a sexy-ass Klingon woman who don't need no man but has a specific one she really wants who's completely oblivious.
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>>13422120 Quantum Leap was the captain of Enterprise and he's been tons of chicks.
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>>13422116 Yeah, I was following up episodes with their sfdebris review. Definitely more fun.
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>>13422120 Enterprise C had one.
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>>13422120 >a female >Enterprise >captain Oh, fuck you three time.
Thank god for Voyager, they'll never have a bitch captain again.
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>>13422083 You're absolutely right, fuck Adami.
Fuck her with a rusty coat hanger, she's the worst bajoran space pope. If only Opaka weren't written out of season 1 so hastily...
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>>13422083 Kai Winn was so underutilized in Season 7, they turned her into a massive idiot when she used to be smart
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>>13422148 Okay, so I was mistaken. No need to be hostile.
>bitch What was so bad about her?
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>>13422120 Nah, this isn't 80's anymore.
Why no TRANSWOMEN captain, shitlords?
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>>13422161 If the story about a transgender Starfleet captain is good, I'm fine with it. If it sucks, I'm not.
But that goes for straight white male Starfleet captains too.
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>>13422160 Inconsistent characterization, mostly, poor writing.
A lot of hate for her via her borgtits pet.
And no mads, bro, just bantz
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>>13422161 Because no-one famous getting re-assignment surgery needed to get people's attention off their causing the death of an old lady with their suv by exploiting a whole walk of people--- before they started a new series (they missed renegades as well, I believe).
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>>13422041 Personally I'm a fan of the Starfleet Command games. I enjoyed flying around with a cruiser squadron doing the gunboat diplomacy thing.
This probably has something to do with why I stuck with STO for years now. In space it plays like Star Fleet command. It suffers from most of the free to play MMO issues but since I bought a lifetime back when it was a subscription game I sidestepped most of those.
I will say STO does a better job of portraying the Romulans and Klingons than the Federation though. Being a Fed captain in STO is less like being Kirk or Picard and more like being a member of the Imperial Guard.
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>>13422208 That fucking game is bullshit, oh there's a disturbance on this planet, SEND IN THE FLEET ADMIRALS!
i love it Anonymous
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>>13422244 Mind explaining?
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>>13422252 The lead actor of Quantum Leap, which was a show about a man who jumped from body to body throughout time, male and female, was the captain of the Enterprise in Star Trek Voyager.
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Why did they decide not to stick with Pike after s01e01 of TOS?
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>>13422223 Just do what I do and mentally rewrite any instance of Admiral to Captain.
I don't have a single character showing rank pips above Captain.
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>>13422252 The end of every Quantum Leap episode featured the main character hopping into a new body, usually in some shitty situation, and it would take a while for him to figure out what was going on or look in a mirror to see who he was. This was often followed by him saying, "Oh, boy."
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>>13422283 Cause he wasn't Jewish enough.
Also uppity girl no.1 pissed off the women viewers.
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>>13422283 they threw out pretty much everybody from the pilot, pretty sure it was as part of the drive to action it up
the doctor wasn't too far off from McCoy on paper, but that's about it I think
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>>13422344 You mean in the brief time she was onscreen, arching her eyebrow after he said he didn't like women on the bridge and then told her "not you, you're different?" She was right to be annoyed.
>>13422346 That makes sense. Even Spock is different.
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>>13422368 I forgot Spock was in it lol
but yeah, he was like "because I'm a Vulcan I feel more emotions" or something, right?
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>>13422376 Kind of. He was as intelligent as ever but seemed to be barely suppressing some kind of boundless rage.
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>>13422344 Though there was no problem with her being Christine Chapel right after (always trying to jump Spock's bones).
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Conscience of the King is best trek ep.
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>>13422368 Sure, she tested "poorly" with women, boom, she became Nurse Chaple.
She still had a job mostly because Gene was banging her.
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>>13422555 Uhura is cooler anyway.
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>>13422565 He was also banging her too behind his mistress and his wife's back.
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>>13422571 He was banging the actress. Who cares? The character is
mai waifu or would be if I had one.
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>>13421999 Babylon 5 and DS9 have similarities, but I chalk that up to the state of science fiction at the time and the cultural zeitgeist. I mean, on the face of it, DS9 is all about post-Cold War Germany coming to grips with no longer being oppressed by a foreign country and ideology mixed with elements of the Israeli wars of independence, which would've been in the minds of many people what with the Gulf War having happened during the conception of the series. Babylon 5 is more like someone took Tolkien, Childhood's End, and the United Nations and mixed them together.
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>>13422588 >Who cares? The world must know how alpha gene was.
Don't slutshame, bro.
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>>13422037 Fuck off with that shit.
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>>13422208 >>13422223 >>13422286 S11 has a fuckton of bugs. Half the bank terminals don't work, beaming onto DS9 crashes the client, and so forth. Great ship giveaway yesterday though. 3 T5 cash ships free account unlock, including the Excelsior.
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>>13422612 It's interesting that you got post-Cold War Germany out of something that takes so many elements from the opposite side of a rather younger Germany.
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>>13421917 >Is the whole of TOS worth watching? Yes it is, J.T.K..
Mostly for shits and giggles, but you should watch it all. There are a few epsisodes that are genuinaly great.
>What about other series? Production order, m8. That means watching DS9 in tandem with TNG Season 6 and 7. Don't think that DS9 comes after TNG. Likewise Voyager starts around DS9 Season 3.
Not that I'm suggesting that you need to actually sit through all that. Just if you did, it should be in production fucking order.
>>13421978 >TNG has a weak first two seasons, only because of budget Like Star Trek needs budget. The mediocre and bad parts can't be blamed on lack of spacebux. More like too much Roddenberry.
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>>13422122 But he physically traveled back in time, he only looked like a chick because of aura or something.
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>>13424462 But how did he experience pregnancy symptoms?
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>>13424572 The show is pretty inconsistent with its rules, and with the heavily implied higher powers influencing things who knows what could or could not happen
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>>13424572 Actually, better argument than
>>13424579 sorry that one was kinda dumb of me.
When he leaps he takes on part of the leapee, most notable in the Lee Harvey Oswald episodes, so some part of him is linked with the pregnant woman.
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>>13425013 I forget, could he walk when he leaped into the legless guy?
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I haven't watched all of TOS, skipped some episodes because I hate children, and I still haven't seen most of season 2 or 3 yet. But if you don't mind the slower pace it's a great show with some fantastic stories. The trio dynamic with the emotional McCoy, logical Spock and balancing Kirk is still brilliant to this day. I never get tired of watching McCoy and Spock argue.
"You green-blooded hobgoblin!"
>>13421999 B5 and DS9 are both amazing shows on their own merits. They are both some of the best science fiction on television, certainly in the 90's.
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>>13425021 Yeah, so he's physically there, but there's some mix of personality or something. It usually didn't come into play and he or Al would *surprise!* have whatever skill was relevant.
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>>13424367 >Production order, m8. That means watching DS9 in tandem with TNG Season 6 and 7. Don't think that DS9 comes after TNG. Likewise Voyager starts around DS9 Season 3. >Not that I'm suggesting that you need to actually sit through all that. Just if you did, it should be in production fucking order. If you're going to do this,
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/startrek/st-episodes-1.html can help.
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>>13424367 >watching DS9 in tandem with TNG Season 6 and 7. This method helped me get through Voyager. By the time you run out of DS9 there's only two or three VOY seasons left and by then it's gotten kind of fun.
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>>13425106 I'm pretty sure Memory Alpha lists eps airdates, too
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>>13424367 >Production order, m8. That means watching DS9 in tandem with TNG Season 6 and 7. Don't think that DS9 comes after TNG. Likewise Voyager starts around DS9 Season 3. I'm all for production order, but simplifying it to ToS>ToS Films>TNG>DS9>Voy>ENT wouldn't hurt. As long as you're not a retard that watches Ent first you'll be fine
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>>13425195 Where do(es the one good) TNG Film(s) fit in that order?
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>>13425243 I didn't care enough to put any thought into them. Probably best just going with actual production order for them
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>>13425243 For First Contact, maybe after DS9 and before Voyager? It has the Defiant and foreshadows the Borg in the Delta Quadrant.
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QUICK, NAME THE BEST TOS EPISODE
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>>13425286 City on the Edge of Forever
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>>13425286 In terms of Spock/McCoy banter that ep beats everything. Probably the only really good episode in Season 3.
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>>13425279 First Contact introduces the new uniforms on DS9, which was I think in the beginning of season 5? It's pretty much irrelevant to DS9 though, I don't think Worf ever mentions it, and the Defiant is back good as new as ever.
Speaking of First Contact and The Defiant, apparently the producers of the film wanted to destroy it but the producers of DS9 heavily vetoed it, decrying that they'd be able to fuck with their show like that.
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>>13425487 Actually the new uniforms appear on DS9 like 2 weeks before First Contact
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>>13424462 ....you need to watch the series finale. brace yourself for feelz.
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>>13425302 >>13425454 fuck harlan ellison. seriously, fuck that guy.
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>>13425778 Where they got cancelled and all the ending you get is a text screen saying he never got home? Yeah that sounds like a great idea.
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>>13425797 Damn, I need to rematch it. I guess when I was younger, I assumed
Al's dead uncle "leaping" meant Sam was essentially a ghost/dead while in the matrix, but I'll be the first to admit that this isn't credible info.
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>>13425801 He's a very vitriolic and rude person IRL, but he writes some good sci-fi
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>>13425956 Yeah he's rude but often for a good reason. He's antagonized a lot of people who tried to either rip him off or trying to get him to work for free.
The actual bad thing about him is that he has a mean streak, but he cannot stand taking any flak and he'll fucking explode if you make fun of him.
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>>13425797 Sam Becket never made it home.
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fuck harlan ellison
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>>13425243 Honestly I think trying to fit the films in while doing full series runs would make the movies seem pretty awkward. At the very least Generations should be slotted in before DS9 Season 3 and FC before Season 5. Events from both movies are explicitly referred to in the show, after all.
I think rough production order is pretty simple. It's a simple matter of alternating episodes starting with TNG - Chain of Command.
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>>13422055 That game that used the Colony Wars engine was good.
Anything CW is good.
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>>13421917 Watch some episodes, it's all plain fun. TOS is pretty episodic and precious few episodes get brought up later, except as references in the movies and onward. The most important of these is Space Seed, because it's important to Wrath of Khan. And you should watch WoK sometime. Also The Naked Time occurs again in TNG's Naked Now, and NN is one of the more important Season 1 eps
for Data's sexual romp .
