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>>13750737
>cheaper car whose price is bloated by expensive options is pitted against a base-model car with a higher MSRP and no options included
I FUCKING HATE THIS SHIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 08:48:29 No.13754475 Report Delete

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>>13754458
>cheaper car whose price is bloated by expensive options

those expensive ''options'' is what has made the ND so fast in these tests. no one seemed to complain when the same car was pitted against the FRS.

the bilstein shocks, the brembo brakes, the sticky ass 17'' tires on alloys

now it seems the older, cheaper BRZ on comedy tires is actually faster than the fully specced ND anyways, that must be slightly depressing for the mazda fanboy.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 08:50:39 No.13754478 Report Delete

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>03:18.6 SUBARU BRZ
>03:20.8 MAZDA MX-5 MIATA CLUB

I honestly couldn't care which was faster around a track, but. ill be looking forward to miata fangirl butthurt.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 08:55:34 No.13754492 Report Delete

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>>13750697
>mfw the Mustang beat the Miata on the track

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:03:25 No.13754516 Report Delete

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>>13750748
Enjoy your bare bones and no LSD so performance is ultra-shit

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:05:04 No.13754522 Report Delete

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>>13751144
>>13751137
>>13751122
>>13751110

>Decide to check Toyubaru's time so I know how fast my car is
>instinctively start at the bottom to find it faster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:05:44 No.13754524 Report Delete

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Light weight and a smart suspension setup are great and all but the Miata is really falling behind in power. It had about half the power of a Mustang GT when it debuted, now it has almost a third. You can go a long way with a low powered, light weight car but after a certain point that big of a power gap is going to come back to haunt you on everything but a go-kart track.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:10:02 No.13754536 Report Delete

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>hitler mobile beats america
LMAO

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Termi Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:11:54 No.13754545 Report Delete

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>>13753979
Rob feretti completed some 3,000 miles across the country in a matter of a few days with his.

I think it was actually a rental car.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:14:13 No.13754554 Report Delete

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claps btfo

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:33:40 No.13754613 Report Delete

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>>13754522
>literally slower than a mini cooper

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:36:29 No.13754625 Report Delete

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>>13754113
>>13750723
>deletes lanklet gifs
>doesn't delete lolmanlet OP
lel janitor confirmed for mad lanklet

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:37:35 No.13754631 Report Delete

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>>13753979
>he NEVER completed a trip without a failure in.
Oh pleas, you believe that shit? Clarkson is Mr Hyperbole, practically everything he says is hyperbolic and designed to show muh british superiority.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:55:27 No.13754697 Report Delete

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>>13750840
Don't see the new Civic Type R on that list :^)

V O L K S C U C K S

B T F O
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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:01:58 No.13754726 Report Delete

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>>13754697
>404 Soap not found

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:02:16 No.13754728 Report Delete

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>>13750919
You don't need four wheels either
>the literal miata of motorcycles

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:06:36 No.13754742 Report Delete

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>>13753290
They use the tires that the manufacturers are using.

When GM moved the ZR1 from Sport PS2 to Sport Cup tires in 2012, C&D retested the car with the new tires.

If you actually read through the C&D writeup for the higher $$$ classes, you'll hear a lot of complaining about tires that lay down great times when cold but get greasy after a couple of laps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:07:50 No.13754748 Report Delete

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>>13750697
28k testing, 28k in a years worth of repairs

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fordtech !5zb/EKX0ks Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:08:10 No.13754751 Report Delete

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>>13750697
>cuts out the part where they think they ran the turbo mustang with 87 octane.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:14:27 No.13754768 Report Delete

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>>13750697
wanting fwd with no supercharger? are you a cuck m8?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:16:47 No.13754777 Report Delete

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>>13754631

>Complaining about constant hyperbole while browsing 4chan.

Do you know where you are?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:17:54 No.13754784 Report Delete

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>>13754777
>pointing out objective truth is complaining
C'mon, boy. You're smarter than that.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:18:28 No.13754786 Report Delete

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>>13752528
2.5k buy an NA miata beat 2016 times. Mfw

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:18:49 No.13754789 Report Delete

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>>13754000
If you trust GM's statement, C&D got with the exact same press loaner that Motor Trend did. GM says C&D ran it into a tire wall, and poor repairs from that event caused Motor Trend's failures. But C&D mentions no tire wall incident (even though they're not shy about admitting to spinning and/or tilling soil with other cars )

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/chevrolet-corvette-z06-at-lightning-lap-2015-feature

C&D's report does seem to lend SOME legitimacy to GM's "botched repairs" excuse, though, as C&D flogged the shit out of it on a track 3 times longer than Willow Springs and didn't have any complaints other than "the tires are one-lap specials that get greasy immediately."

Still, I couldn't give a flying fuck about any of the cars in LL3. LL1 and LL2 are where the fun's at. LL3 and higher are all just status symbols.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:23:05 No.13754806 Report Delete

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>>13754458
see
>>13752724
>C&D does their LL tests with "every performance or track-oriented option available"

>>13754751
If you read the full writeup, you'll see they switched to premium and saw no difference.

What they ended up figuring out was they needed to shift around 1000 RPM earlier.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/ford-
mustang-ecoboost-at-lightning-lap-2015-feature
>After experimenting with our upshift rpm, we determined that the quickest times happened when we shifted just as the boost began to fall. Shifting with the boost gauge instead of the tach is something entirely new to us.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:03:30 No.13755747 Report Delete

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>>13754475
>no one seemed to complain when the same car was pitted against the FRS.

I did. They compared the top spec miata to the "top" spec BRZ Series.Blue (some aero bits and slightly lighter wheels. When the base Toyobaru would have almost identual performance on a track and cost around five grand less than the Miata they tested.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:49:24 No.13755978 Report Delete

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>>13754806
>shift where the boost begins to fall
Does the boost fall because of the tune or because the compressor is too small for top end power?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:02:26 No.13756420 Report Delete

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>>13755978
It is a mystery. With no factual data whatsoever to back me up, I suspect a combination of both; the entire Ecoboost line of engines is designed and tuned for low RPM grunt first and foremost.

But in a different article, from their April street test of the ecoboost stang, C&D claimed that Ford Racing will be offering a warranty-legal reflash for the ecoboost mustangs that will provide more power, at some unspecified future date. So that kind of makes me think that it's mostly the tune pulling back the boost at high RPM.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:04:18 No.13756432 Report Delete

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>>13754522
here you go, friend
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-2013-hot-cars-hot-track-hot-laps-feature-lightning-lap-2013-ll1-class-page-3#LL1-BRZ

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:05:37 No.13756438 Report Delete

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>>13750697
Laptimes not withstanding, the Miata would still be the most fun around the track.

Bench racing is dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:08:00 No.13756456 Report Delete

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>>13756438
This is actually pretty much what the C&D article said
>We’d parse the Miata’s lap, but to do so would be to miss the point. The Miata sits at the top of the leader board when it comes to fun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:08:58 No.13756462 Report Delete

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>>13750697
When a shitbox like a GTI or mini cooper can beat a Mustang you know the era of cars and racing is over. The average fucking crossover or inline sedan can compete with racing cars now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:10:58 No.13756478 Report Delete

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>>13750697
lol poorfags trying to think of excuses as to why they have shit cars

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:11:13 No.13756479 Report Delete

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>>13756462
What? A base model, rental-tier mustang is slower than a top of the line mini or golf and that triggers you to go on a nonsensical rant about "racing cars" and the "era of cars" and "average crossovers and sedans?"

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:11:33 No.13756480 Report Delete

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>>13756420
If you want a new mustang, get the one with the highest potential for low RPM torque. The 2.3 ecoboost.

With a tune and an exhaust, it makes more peak torque earlier than the V8. Pic related. Red is ecoboost, blue is V8. Sure the 4 banger sounds like hot garbage, but that's a pretty sweet powerband for street driving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:13:04 No.13756497 Report Delete

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>>13756479
Even in general racing cars like Mustangs are getting beat by soccer mom cars and college kid shit boxes.

Technology has advanced so much that every new car is as fast as sports cars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:14:14 No.13756503 Report Delete

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>>13754524
This. So much this. Being lightweight is fantastic but it doesn't do you much good if you have no engine.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:24:04 No.13756579 Report Delete

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>>13756497
>rental tier 4 cylinder mustang
>racing cars

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:45:53 No.13756740 Report Delete

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>>13756579
Not just mustangs all sports cars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:47:07 No.13756749 Report Delete

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>>13754475
>>13755747
I pointed that out too. The cars have very similar performance but the FR-S is $26k and the Miata Club is $29k and $32k with the Brembo package. The Miata does not perform $3-6k better.
That aside, the FR-S is also more practical and makes a better DD. If any anon here is going to spend $25K+ on a new car, it's going to be their DD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:54:58 No.13756795 Report Delete

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>>13754524
I'm a Mazda fanboy and love the new Miata, but it needs more power. It even went down from last gen, only 8 hp but still down. There is hope it will gain some hp mid cycle, the NA and NB both did. If they can increase the power to closer to 180hp without increasing the price, it would be really good. It's already almost as fast as the Ecoboost, with an extra 25hp to close the gap a little more I think it will be able to keep up. Or make a turbo version with 220hp and cost like 30k.

1969bug

1969bug Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:16:05 No.13756927 Report Delete

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Twice the HP for a few seconds faster. Good job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:21:02 No.13756948 Report Delete

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>>13756927
>costs $4k less
>faster on a track
>faster in a straight line
>easily tunable for even more power
>more practical, roomy and comfy
>lots of fun
Ford is doing great these days.

BigDaddyMerc

BigDaddyMerc Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:21:56 No.13756954 Report Delete

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>>13750840
The Audi is about the same you fucktard

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:23:36 No.13756968 Report Delete

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>>13756795
I totally agree. 180hp would make the Miata perfect. No idea why Mazda and Toyota insist on their cars being slow. I can't wait for the Fiat version.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:29:32 No.13756996 Report Delete

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>>13754697
Probably because the new Type R is closer to the same bracket the Golf R is in rather than the GTI

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TheWatchFag !bfJ6jQ81b6 Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:27:27 No.13757351 Report Delete

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>>13750697
>Ecoboost

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:49:27 No.13758204 Report Delete

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>>13757351
This

Who is the ecoboost even marketed too? Casuals will get the V6 and people who actually want a mustang will get the V8. What market did Ford thing existed for a turbo four that didn't involve phasing out the V6?

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