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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:28:04 No.7620504 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>7620559 >>7620606 >>7621848 >>7621863 >>7621882

What's wrong with saying 'anything that opposes entropy should be classified as living'? I heard it a while ago and google isn't very helpful.Is there anything (apart from viruses and other pseudo-life forms) that oppose entropy?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:31:15 No.7620513 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>7620535

how does life oppose entropy? it still operates on chemical gradients

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:33:55 No.7620514 Report Delete

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Becasue pop-sci should be banned tbh fam.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:44:43 No.7620535 Report Delete

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>>7620513
chemical polymeryzation opposes entropy on an off-line scale

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:48:39 No.7620541 Report Delete

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>>7620535
but the system that triggers polymerization still experiences a net loss of energy. all organisms need to take in energy to continue operating or they die.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:49:37 No.7620544 Report Delete

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>>7620535
Nice word salad.

Life does not oppose entropy.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:03:07 No.7620559 Report Delete

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>>7620504
I read before that the heat death of the universe cannot come about until all black holes have decayed because of how they release energy back through their wheelchair radiation, do black holes oppose entropy then?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:10:16 No.7620570 Report Delete

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>>7620559
That sounds good enough for me, but I'm not a fucking scientist so what do I know?

I thought the heat death of the universe was caused by all the energy being evenly distributed throughout the universe. And as long as black holes exist, they're going to pull light to them and prevent that distribution. And black holes can't just... disappear, right? Wouldn't all the black holes eventually become so massive they combine into one black hole? Is THAT the real heat death of the universe? When all energy and matter in the universe is trapped in a singularity?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:20:15 No.7620587 Report Delete

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>>7620541
but isn't the mere existence of an arranged/arranging compartment inside the system already a step against entropy, even if it's a tiny one

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:21:18 No.7620590 Report Delete

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>>7620570
Black holes absorb matter/energy but they also slowly give it back through wheelchair decay.

The way I understand it at least, they dont really destroy things its more like they put it in the time out corner and then let it out one sub atomic particle at a time. If a black hole consumed you for example you would eventually get out, you'd be long dead but all your particles would eventually come back out. They will not become the universe then, they should all evaporate eventually.

But maximum entropy can't happen until they're all gone and their energy evenly distributed.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:23:58 No.7620597 Report Delete

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>>7620587
no, energy gets concentrated and arranged all the times, what do you think atoms and molecules are?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:24:47 No.7620600 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>7620610

>>7620590
So how do black holes go away? You'd have to evenly distribute matter across the entire universe, and even then there would probably still be a faint gravity well somewhere, ready to start moving all that matter towards a centralized spot again

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:27:21 No.7620606 Report Delete

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>>7620504

Because life isn't a system that's in equilibrium.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 01:29:48 No.7620610 Report Delete

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>>7620600
>How do they decay?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

I told you man wheelchair radiation.

And yea if you actually research the heat death of the universe theory some scientists do believe it will never actually thanks to gravity, gravity can still cause work to happen even in a system where all other energy is evenly distributed. But the heat death can't even happen theoretically if there are still black holes which means if its going to happen at all it will take an extremely long time.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 02:15:59 No.7620697 Report Delete

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nothing opposes entropy

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 16:50:00 No.7621848 Report Delete

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>>7620504
>What's wrong with saying 'anything that opposes entropy should be classified as living'?
1: Life does not oppose entropy.
1b: You could say that life opposes *local* entropy though overall entropy still increases.
2: Life already has a definition and it includes things like breeding/propagation
3: Chemical oscillators oppose (I am still not comfortable about the word "oppose") local entropy though nobody would call that life
3a: When chemical oscillators were first discovered some disbelieved it since it would mean local entropy would decrease and too many at the time failed to understand the distinction between local and global entropy.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 16:56:32 No.7621863 Report Delete

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>>7620504

Because a machine that's stacking bricks isn't alive.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 17:02:50 No.7621882 Report Delete

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>>7620504
Because nothing "opposes" entorpy. That phrase doesn't even make sense. If you mean "life decreases entropy", that's wrong. It's literally a fundamental law of thermodynamics.

That's like saying a plane defies gravity. It's just wrong.

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