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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:34:27 No.63151582 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63151915 >>63151988 >>63152422 >>63153536 >>63156300

Was he finally exposed as a fraud?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:36:53 No.63151609 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63151703 >>63151800 >>63154525

He did nothing wrong tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:37:30 No.63151614 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63151703 >>63152074 >>63154272

Well, since Argentinians are used to their money being tax-exempt since they always earn it from tips, they literally don't know how to pay taxes.

Waiter-culture will do that to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:44:56 No.63151703 Report Delete

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>>63151609
>>63151614
Do they even do taxes by themselves?

I'd imagine they've got someone hired to do it for them. So many zeros to count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:45:51 No.63151715 Report Delete

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Yep, he evaded over 2 millions.
>Messi
>Neyman
>This guy
>??

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:52:34 No.63151788 Report Delete

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>>63151703
Nah, the most likely thing that happened is
>accountant calls player
>accountant says he found a totally legal and totally safe tax loophole that will save player $x million
>accountant asks should he go for it
>player says "yeh whatever"
>player goes back to playing FIFA

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:53:41 No.63151800 Report Delete

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>>63151609
it's the gentlemen's crime tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:53:43 No.63151801 Report Delete

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Literally all rich people dodge taxes

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:54:05 No.63151806 Report Delete

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meh, they probably all do that anyway

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:54:19 No.63151812 Report Delete

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Based Barcelona. I admire people who don't let the state rob them of their hard earned money. Too bad they got caught

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:54:52 No.63151817 Report Delete

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>>63151788
This. I doubt he knows what's going on with his money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:55:25 No.63151826 Report Delete

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Didn't Maradona did the same on Italy?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:56:18 No.63151836 Report Delete

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>>63151812
This.

>'He is such an evil person for wanting to stop his money from being stolen!'

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:57:15 No.63151850 Report Delete

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>>63151836

>stolen

Epic

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:58:14 No.63151863 Report Delete

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>>63151850
>taking someone's property without their consent and under threat of violence is ok as long as the government does it

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:58:58 No.63151871 Report Delete

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>>63151863

He gets services in return m8

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:59:50 No.63151886 Report Delete

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>>63151812
>>63151836
Well, there's an ultra-libertarian theory that both tax evasion and the corrupion are just very unusual forms of privatisation (which, by their standards, is always better than state-based economy).

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:00:57 No.63151900 Report Delete

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>>63151863
>without their consent
What's the constitution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:01:29 No.63151915 Report Delete

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>>63151582
>he won't get imprisoned for that
S P I C S

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:05:43 No.63151969 Report Delete

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>>63151915
One does not kill a hen that lays golden eggs.

He's too important making money on a pitch to not make it in prison.

Unless Sepp Blatter finally gets his share and creates FIPA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:05:54 No.63151977 Report Delete

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>>63151836
>>63151812

fuck off asshole. Low tax evasion is the reason your countries are first-world in the first place.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:06:11 No.63151982 Report Delete

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>>63151900
What if he never agreed to any constitution? Is it ok for some people to just impose their will upon others via some piece of paper they deem as superior law?

No one ever asked me if I agree to any constitution (granted, we don't really have one but no one ever asked me if I agree to the billion different regulations that are being imposed on me by the government).

>inb4 but you tacitly agree by living within the borders of a certain country
I own the land I live in, it's my land, not the government's and not the majority's that elects the government. If someone wants to pay higher taxes - go to the nearest hospital/orphanage and donate £10000. I'm sure they'll gladly take it, just don't force others to do it

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:06:18 No.63151983 Report Delete

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THE FALKLANDS ARE OURS

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:06:41 No.63151988 Report Delete

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>>63151582
why are Argentinians all such dirty cheats and criminals?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:07:31 No.63152000 Report Delete

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>>63151982
>What if he never agreed to any constitution?
Move to another country, if you chose to live in some place, you must obey their rules

>>63151977
Nah, that's not the main reason

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:07:59 No.63152011 Report Delete

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>>63151969
See, a German court did imprison HoeneB.
We don't give a shit about egg colours.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:09:10 No.63152031 Report Delete

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>>63151826
>In March 2009 Italian officials announced that Maradona still owed the Italian government €37 million in taxes; €23.5 million of which was accrued interest on his original debt. They reported that thus far, Maradona has paid only €42,000, two luxury watches and a set of earrings

his earrings and watches were literally stripped off him at airport.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:09:40 No.63152038 Report Delete

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>>63152000
>Move to another country, if you chose to live in some place, you must obey their rules
>their rules
Read my inb4. I own the land I live on, it belongs to me and not to the United Kingdom's government and I shouldn't need any sort of permission from any organisation to live on it.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:10:23 No.63152048 Report Delete

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>>63152038
>I own the land I live on
No, you do not

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:11:16 No.63152058 Report Delete

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>>63152038
found Sealand II tbh

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:12:20 No.63152074 Report Delete

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>>63151614
>Mexico

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:12:26 No.63152075 Report Delete

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>>63152011
Yeah, but he's an old cunt who lived from monetary dividens.

Mascherano actually produces real value added. Even if it's just tackles and yellows.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:13:13 No.63152085 Report Delete

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>>63152075
you apparently have no idea how many people have WORK just because of hoeneß

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:13:15 No.63152088 Report Delete

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>>63152075
Football players are literally the highest tax payers in Spain, your post makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:13:55 No.63152099 Report Delete

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>>63152048
Lad, you don't want to get started with FREEMEN OF THE LAND; they're tiresome crusties.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:14:17 No.63152104 Report Delete

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>>63152011
>imprison
he defrauded the state out of 31+ million euros and spent like 6 month in hospital 4 month in the luxury cell away from the scum and now he only has to turn up in the evening to sleep there

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:16:40 No.63152133 Report Delete

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>>63152104
>brainwashed plebeian

then again, Reus should be in prison as well

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:21:06 No.63152186 Report Delete

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>>63152085
You're missing the point.

Yeah, I know that Hoeneß probably did a lot of good to the economical wealth of many people.

However, an individual effort at moneymaking/job creation is nothing compared to a global mass-media machine of entertainment.

Suppose Mascherano goes to jail. Who would replace him in Barcelona's XI? Would they perform just as well? Would he adjust immediately?

Remember: every defeat, every trophy not won is literally millions not being made. Not taxed by the Spanish state either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:21:25 No.63152189 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63152308 >>63152310 >>63152316 >>63152332 >>63153443

As far as I understand this, the whole deal with these tax issues in Spain is only related to players income on image rights (commercial deals and such). Their club salary is being taxed in Spain (over 50% rate I think) which is paid by the club. To avoid this high tax rate on their image rights ibusiness, they create an off-shore company in tax havens (Madeira i.e.) and do these commercial deals there and pay taxes there.

But the Spanish government sees image rights income as an income they generate in Spain, because they are Spanish residents and therefore are taxable in Spain.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:24:08 No.63152230 Report Delete

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>>63152133
>he dindu nuffin
>he a good boy

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:29:24 No.63152308 Report Delete

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>>63152189
Finally someone with a insight. Thanks Dzeko.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:29:27 No.63152310 Report Delete

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Football players are just the low-end of corruption among millionaires.

The real rich people evade taxes just as much but never get caught.

Also, it's how this guy >>63152189 has said, footballers are on the highest "fork" of income and pay taxes like CEOs or banksters do, the debate comes from image rights.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:29:50 No.63152316 Report Delete

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>>63152189
I didn't know spain was this much of a jew

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:31:09 No.63152332 Report Delete

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>>63152189
You're the best poster on /sp/ right now. Be proud, based anon.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:37:08 No.63152422 Report Delete

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>>63151582
>hating tax fraud
back to reddit

Tax fraud is a pretty respectable crime IMO. Not quite on the same level as bank robbery, but still.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:41:02 No.63152483 Report Delete

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>>63151982
Who gives you the right to own your land? What if I don't agree with your right to own your land? What do you base your ownership on?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:43:05 No.63152517 Report Delete

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>>63152422
>2015
>not knowing the meme phrases of /sp/

It's an expression normally used to mock decent sportsmen after bad performances.

In my post, I used it ironically, by exploiting it's literal meaning.

pic 0.1% related

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:48:19 No.63152589 Report Delete

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>>63151982
Why don't you declare independence? I am not kidding here. I strongly recommend libertarians to start their own countries. That's how I see the future. Plenty of small countries where people themselves have made the constitution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:51:05 No.63152631 Report Delete

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>>63152589
They tried to pull it off in Germany in 17th and 18th century, it didn't go too well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:54:39 No.63152674 Report Delete

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>>63151982
>>63151812
>>63151836
do you fucks like having roads? what about clean water? punctual and convenient post? street signs? traffic lights? where do you think that money comes from?

>hurrrr gubinmint stealin my money
learn to think critically for yourself, just because alex jones says so doesn't make it true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:00:04 No.63152740 Report Delete

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>>63152483
I could write an essay on my take on property rights but I'm not going to do it on a nepalese yak herding forum. If you're really interested then read up on non aggression axiom and settling any arising disputes through arbitration based on tort and contractual obligations.

>>63152589
In most historical cases, people declaring independence had to fight the government they had seceded from to defend their right to independence. I'm a pretty strong dude but I wouldn't like my chances in a war against the UK.

>>63152674
There is literally nothing that stops us from having any of that without the government. Once again, I could write an essay why, but it's a 4chan sports board so I'm not going to

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:01:28 No.63152768 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63154514

barcelona?

more like taxelona, amirite guise?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:33:57 No.63153258 Report Delete

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>>63152740
i didn't say its impossible without the government but as it stands now, they provide those services. do you disagree that you should have to pay for some of them since you use them daily?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:35:18 No.63153281 Report Delete

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>UEFAlona

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:36:06 No.63153294 Report Delete

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>>63151788

This tbh. I doubt a man from Argentina who trained his entire life to kick a ball really well understands the intricacies of Spanish tax law.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:45:55 No.63153443 Report Delete

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>>63152189
>they create an off-shore company in tax havens (Madeira i.e.)
Mascherano and Messi had their image rights companies based here, don't know how the spanish tax dogs got the info about all that money being diverted here since we got bank secrecy like the swiss, suppose Florentino must've pulled a lot of strings to get them the info.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:51:34 No.63153518 Report Delete

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>>63152740
>In most historical cases, people declaring independence had to fight the government they had seceded from to defend their right to independence. I'm a pretty strong dude but I wouldn't like my chances in a war against the UK.

Try. You can always surrender. i don't understand why would government give a damn what you do on your property as long as you don't hurt anyone or cause any trouble.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:52:35 No.63153536 Report Delete

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>>63151582
That was a 10/10 NT kit tbh lads

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:45:10 No.63154272 Report Delete

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>>63151614

>Mejicanos in charge of working class banter

Oh my...

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:58:06 No.63154467 Report Delete

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>>63151801
This. How would you feel if you were a richfag and the government forced you to pay shitload of money cuz they say so? Fuck governments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:01:01 No.63154505 Report Delete

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>>63152589
Fuck off Finland. Live in a third world country like mine you woudn't be saying shit like that. Govts exploit and steal low class workers all the time here, Im not being remotely funny.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:02:02 No.63154514 Report Delete

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>>63152768
Mild kek.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:02:48 No.63154525 Report Delete

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>>63151609
he got caught

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:03:07 No.63154530 Report Delete

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>>63154467
>>63154505
>>63154514

Boy, am I mad today...

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:15:39 No.63154679 Report Delete

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>>63154505
Get rid off your government, you silly.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:28:48 No.63154854 Report Delete

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>>63154467
>>63154505
>>63154514
>>63154530
Based Pinochet

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:31:24 No.63154893 Report Delete

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>>63151982
>british
>talking about taxation without representation

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:34:51 No.63154939 Report Delete

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>getting mad about taxes

so edgy

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:40:27 No.63155038 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>63157075

Messi
Neymar
Masche

who's next? luiz suarez?
>we can't fuck them in the pitch, so we will fuck them on the court HALAL MADRID!

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:51:34 No.63156300 Report Delete

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>>63151582
>tax fraud thread

>not about Messi

Whoa, this place has changed

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:11:47 No.63156791 Report Delete

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>>63154679
I've been telling that my friends and family for years, but they don't listen...

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:22:31 No.63157075 Report Delete

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>>63155038
real madrid is disgusting

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