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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:13:40 No.43264307 View Reply Report Delete

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What if a player becomes the BBEG?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:24:19 No.43264541 Report Delete

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>>43264307
my character was already the BBEG

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:27:18 No.43264609 Report Delete

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>>43264307
Sounds very compelling. Having a former friend turn on the party would be very interesting. I wouldn't even mind if the GM made up some BS reason for the player to suddenly be much more powerful.

The player can't keep control of the character though. That just wouldn't be right. It would strain the adventure too much. An "us Vs. him" mentality would develop and it would end very badly. The GM has to take the character who is now the BBEG and the player must make a new character.
This would of course have to be cleared by the player who is losing their character.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:28:34 No.43264639 Report Delete

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>>43264307
I'm so glad they gave him that mouth wrap thing.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:30:06 No.43264666 Report Delete

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what if the ex-BBEG becomes a PC?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:31:23 No.43264692 Report Delete

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>>43264666
He immediately becomes at least four times weaker.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:34:01 No.43264754 Report Delete

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>>43264307
What if the whole party are BBEGs?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:39:08 No.43264871 Report Delete

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Isn't OD&D all about becoming the BBEG?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:40:39 No.43264895 Report Delete

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>>43264307
Their character gets NPC'd and they get to roll a new one. Or the party goes full Overlord.

There would likely be a discussion about which will be the most fun for the greatest amount of time.

Last time it happened we went full Overlord, as the party realised that none of them were particularly good in the first place, and so they shrugged and asked the traitorous party member if they could come along for the ride, to which he gave a flustered 'O-okay then I guess?'

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:41:51 No.43264923 Report Delete

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>>43264307
>Playing as a pally
>New party member starts absolutely and effortlessly clearing rooms, like it's fucking obvious OOC he's a fucking lich
>Detect Evil only says he's got evil on him, but plays the "I'm morally ambiguous. card and my Pally has no further proof
>GM is the guy's brother so I know how it'd roll
>Being a Pally that can't fuck over a lich in their party.

That wasn't even the final straw that made me leave that group.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 22:45:22 No.43264997 Report Delete

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>>43264895
>Or the party goes full Overlord.
This is always fun.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:23:29 No.43265917 Report Delete

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>>43264923
I mean being a lich doesn't automatically make him evil. And you apparently didnt even know he was a lich.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:29:17 No.43266069 Report Delete

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>>43265917
Oh I did, but it would be metagaming to smite the fuck out of him apparently. Once again, nepotism was strong in that group.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:33:03 No.43266153 Report Delete

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well yeah if all your call say was something evil on him. it doesn't make him automatically a lich. could just have a cursed item. you're just to far in the OCC.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:34:05 No.43266170 Report Delete

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>>43266069
But what proof did you have other than he was magically powerful?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:49:05 No.43266530 Report Delete

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>>43266153
If a party member is cursed you have a personal obligation to identify and ideally remove such a curse, and then you can double check.

What if it is a curse of "explodes 30 maximised fireballs every 30 days around the wearer" on a ring of fire immunity? Or a curse of "forced to rape party members while they sleep, then removes their memories of it"?

Curses are bad news and you don't want unidentified ones.

And if it's not a cursed item you should destroy things of evil because they make more evil round them.

Then you check for evil again.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:51:30 No.43266581 Report Delete

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>>43264307
I panic and read the evil overlord list. ALL OF IT
And make sure that I follow EVERYTHING. Forever?

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:52:13 No.43266606 Report Delete

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>>43264307

The other characters in the party kill him to become the BBEG themselves.

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Anonymous Sat 24 Oct 2015 23:54:58 No.43266672 Report Delete

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>>43266530
But you still have no proof he is a lich. For all you know he has some crushed imp powder on him or something.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 00:01:01 No.43266783 Report Delete

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>>43266069
but then what makes him evil?

seriously if hes burning innocents as you march through dungeons, he doesn't have to be a lich to smite him. Liches are free willed beings that can (if rarely) fall anywhere on the alignment spectrum.

If he is strait up evil then do your job, find proof in character and smite him. how many dozens of AOE spells does a Pally have tha fuck up an undeads day? how many positive energy spells meant to help non-undead can you use as "Just helping my party" that will reveal his true face. and once its revealed Detect evil. if you find he is a lich and he pings neutral, you are SOL and should stop bitching.

seems less like nepotism and more like you're a little bitch.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 00:04:19 No.43266863 Report Delete

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>>43264307
Already on it.

My part delved through the underdark as mercenaries, ended up working there too.
Came out, killed a lich on pure luck and gained titled lands out of it.
We go to build on these lands and they are pisspoor and w/e but it's enough.
we'd killed a nasty sorcerer who had a sleeping dragon. Turns out it was a pet/slave. It wasn't sure how it felt about it's master being slain when it found us on the way back, so we managed to convince it to be allies.
>Oh, you plus 15 diplomacy checks on a nat 20
Well, now everyone starts denouncing us (because our architect told on us i guess?)
A few more adventured and we've
befriended a red dragon, mature size younger age.
Have an alliance with him and his fire giant slave army.
Have a trade agreement with smugglers.
Have a temple to Urgathoa
Have clerics of other evil gods
Have a retinue of deathknights loaned to us
Have the biggest shining of good at our doorstep
Have murdered the princess(accidentally)
Have the noble next door raving mad
and so so much more.
Best campaign.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 00:10:39 No.43267042 Report Delete

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>>43264754
Impossible. One BBEG is always bigger, and evil-er.

There can only be one, true, big bad evil guy.
One you might call, the biggest guy.

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