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Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:43:49 No.43273525 View Reply Report Delete

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What fantasy army could defeat a force 20.000 mongol horse archers?

Scenario 1: Plains
Scenario 2: Forest
Scenario 3: City

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:48:02 No.43273559 Report Delete

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>>43273525
>Fantasy army
How much of a shitstomp you want it to be?

I mean, it'd be easier to find an army that COULDN'T.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:48:27 No.43273562 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43273593 >>43273663 >>43273975

Scenario 1: 10,000 level 2-3 fighters with tower shields and chain mail(no cost limit was places). 3,000 level 2-3 ranger archers. 500 level 2-3 bards. 500 clerics, 5,000 level 2-3 barbarians, and 1,000 level 2-3 wizards.
Scenario 2: rangers, Druids, alchemists, rogues, and any other class that can be sneaky sneaky and set off a few bombs inside the enemy's army.
Scenario 3: The U.S. Army

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:51:11 No.43273588 Report Delete

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Scenario 1: 20,000 farmers made of anti-matter
Scenario 2: 20,000 farms made of anti-matter
Scenario 3: 2 farmers made of anti-matter

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:52:18 No.43273593 Report Delete

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>>43273562
1: I doubt that horse archers would simply smash into the fighters if they can circle and pepper them, Infantry is unable to move out of range, so rangers would be either showere or trampled, and everything else the mongols just swamp with arrows and numbers, expet wizards, wizards are fucking scary

2. can't argue with that

3.U.S. army is not fantasy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:53:14 No.43273598 Report Delete

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>>43273593
Maybe not your fantasy.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:53:20 No.43273599 Report Delete

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>>43273593
showered* exept*

i have shamed my ancestors

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:54:23 No.43273610 Report Delete

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>>43273559
Give me your worst

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:54:47 No.43273614 Report Delete

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>>43273593
>U.S. army is not fantasy
The technology they have would make them see magical and alien to the Mongols. They might as well be fantasy because that's how legends from the following battle will be treated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:56:09 No.43273629 Report Delete

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>>43273525
Elves,with Elf longbows,Elven cloaks and dual scimitar

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:58:32 No.43273655 Report Delete

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>>43273629
What scenario?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 08:59:02 No.43273663 Report Delete

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>>43273525
>>43273562

The US army in 1789? Down to 800 men, but hardened regulars.. I'd give it to them. Mongolian horse archers were could, but they'd shatter fast facing a square.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:01:33 No.43273689 Report Delete

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>>43273525
Scenario 1: An army of 15.000 knights.
Scenario 2: 15.000 eagle-warriors
Scenario 3: 7500 hoplites + 7500 archers.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:02:19 No.43273694 Report Delete

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>>43273663
True, but 20.000 is a lot of people, split in a V formation, they could narrowly pass the american formation, while taking casaulties and fire their arrows at an angle into the formation

it would be a costly victory, but i think they would still win

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:06:34 No.43273729 Report Delete

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Scenario 1: the empire's army (Star Wars)
Scenario 2: above
Scenario 3: above

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:07:37 No.43273734 Report Delete

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>>43273689
1: Good choise but, i'd still bet my money on the mongols, since the ranged weapon advantage and horse breed would mean exhaustion of knights, and an exhausted warrior is a dead one

2. with spears or obsydian bladed paddles?

3. Yup, sounds like doom for the mongols

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:08:45 No.43273742 Report Delete

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>>43273729
Stormtrooper aim

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:11:51 No.43273770 Report Delete

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>>43273734
>doom for mongols
they don't have any cavalry of their own. also the mongols would be besieging the city with naptha throwing trebuchets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:11:52 No.43273771 Report Delete

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>Horse archers

I love this meme. You don't even need fantasy magic to defeat an army made solely of horse archers. Mount and Blade isn't reality. Horse archers are bad at almost everything you need to do in war except harass an enemy's flank.

Literally any army with archers, tower shields or decent protection, of comparable size will defeat a horse archer "army". Foot archers out range the horse archers and large tower shields protect, a testudo is virtually impregnable to these horse archers, and plate armour is almost a perfect defense against their arrows.

tldr: Horse archers a shit at war, only really good at retreating.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:12:03 No.43273772 Report Delete

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>>43273734
1: Not really. The arrows will just pling off of their armor most of the time anyways. Unless they plan to only run away, the mongols are gonna have a hard time beating them.

2: Don't underestimate the aztecs. They built a fuckhuge empire and the forest is their home: ambushes and traps everywhere. Not to mention that they move on foot, manuvering much more easily than a horse, for sure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:12:03 No.43273773 Report Delete

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>>43273742
Enough stormtroopers to fully staff a moon sized space station and still send battleships everywhere that are multiple miles long that are also fully staffed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:13:04 No.43273781 Report Delete

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>>43273742

Is this army made up of protagonists? If not they are slaughtered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:15:48 No.43273798 Report Delete

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>>43273770
>also the mongols would be besieging the city with naptha throwing trebuchets.

Where did they get those, then? Also, try manuvering around a wall of shields and spears (aka phalanx) in a city street... or maybe even better: try charging into it, see what good it does to you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:15:56 No.43273801 Report Delete

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> "The U.S army is not fictional"
> Doesn't question Hoplites
> Doesn’t question Eagle Warriors
> Doesn't question Knights

Checkmate, history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:17:11 No.43273816 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43273869 >>43276149

>>43273771
>Shit at war
Tell that to China, Baghdad, Egypt, Constantinople, Russia etc..

>>43273772
1. Horses are hard to armor
2. yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:17:24 No.43273819 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43273827 >>43273869

>>43273798
and a city wasn't the best place for a phalanx to maneuver either.
mongols would be content raining fire on the city until it surrendered.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:18:26 No.43273827 Report Delete

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>>43273819
Arrows are finite

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:19:40 No.43273843 Report Delete

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>>43273827
and so is a city that is being burned to the ground.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:20:53 No.43273848 Report Delete

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>>43273843
Now you are thinking like a Mongol warlord

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:22:51 No.43273869 Report Delete

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>>43273819
We're talking about a battle, not a siege that can take up months, maybe even years. Logic wills that a unit of infantry moves a lot smoother than a cavalry unit in a city street, is all I'm saying.

>>43273816
Alright: but if the horses are all armored too, the mongols are going to get slaughtered. Unless they retreat.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:24:57 No.43273882 Report Delete

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>>43273869
They do retreat, but then turn around and retreat again etc..

Exhaustion was a real thing, and if the knights give chase their horses will give up faster than mongol breeds

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:26:16 No.43273895 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43273913 >>43273954

>>43273869
and the mongols will be content enough to let the hoplites rot in a city while they starve it into surrender or damage it via siege.
mongols won't banzai charge into a siege without heavy infantry of their own.
>Implying mongols didn't have their own heavy cavalry.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:27:57 No.43273913 Report Delete

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>>43273895
Battle: Greeks win
Siege: Mongols win

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:28:59 No.43273920 Report Delete

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>>43273913
>greeks win
the mongols are not gonna offer battle inside a city

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:31:09 No.43273932 Report Delete

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>>43273920
But the scenario explicitly says Urban City battle, and the greeks would win that in theory

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:32:56 No.43273954 Report Delete

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>>43273895

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:35:23 No.43273975 Report Delete

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>>43273562

>Implying the U.S army can win against any armed, disciplined force when they can't even beat insurgents with basically no weapons

Top kek.

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WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5 Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:38:55 No.43274006 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274056 >>43274065

>>43273525
The Cauldron-Born.
They literally were an army that couldn't be killed, with their sole limitation being that their endurance outside their ruler's area of power is limited, however they instinctively know how far they can go before they drop dead again and will turn back once they reach that point.

And within the borders of his power they are functionally limitless in endurance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:41:00 No.43274023 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274035

>>43273932
Mongols did use Chinese siege engineers.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:41:55 No.43274035 Report Delete

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>>43274023
Indeed, but its specified that the force would only be 20.000 horse archers, nothing more and nothing less

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:44:57 No.43274056 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274089 >>43274121

>>43274006
Oh shit, it's WulinSage! Hope everything's going well for you.

>>43273772
Didn't Aztec warriors mostly run around trying to get prisoners rather than actually killing people?

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:45:51 No.43274065 Report Delete

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>>43274006
Makes perfect sense to say mongols would loose that one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:47:59 No.43274088 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274132

>>43273694
No, for a lot of reasons.

To start, 20,000 people can't effectively fight 800. They'd need to hit them in waves.

Sending mounted archers on mediocre horses into the teeth of massed gun and musket fire would pretty much instantly create impassible barrier of dead horses. Clearing them would be possible, but doing so under fire from the mountain howitzers Americans were so in love with would be problematic.

Human wave attacks would break, too. Mongolian archers were good fighters, but wouldn't have the discipline to push an attack in on an infantry square under fire. Nobody else that ever tried with bows and arrows did.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:48:00 No.43274089 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274149

>>43274056
They did try to capture a lot of people, because it was a sign of prestige: the more people you could bring to sacrifice, the higher rank you were then viewed as, as I have come to understand it.

But in an all-out battle in the woods, the aztecs would slaughter the horsemen, being in a terrain which gives them a really huge advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:48:52 No.43274098 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274132

The Dramokan armies of magic's Tarkir, in all three scenarios. Not for any particular reason, I just like them.

Anyway, Laser dragons and sand people, goodgame.

WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5

WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5 Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:51:27 No.43274121 Report Delete

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>>43274056
>Hope everything's going well for you.

Indeed, though the next thread shall be delayed until Monday while I simultaneously beat back rebellious thoughts that suggest I make yet another short-lived quest thread.

I successfully ignore them these days.
>>43274065
In all fairness I'm not sure how immortal the Cauldron-Born were; though they did not die they seemed no stronger then ordinary men (though they felt no pain and they were physically tireless), they seemed to be made out of the same stuff we are.

I'm going to assume people tried chopping them to bits in the past and severing their heads before as it's a relatively logical method to apply and the Cauldron-Born were still thought of as an effectively invincible army.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:52:12 No.43274132 Report Delete

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>>43274088
That makes sense

>>43274098
Dragons, terrefying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:52:59 No.43274139 Report Delete

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>>43273525
The army of 20.000 skeletons.

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WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5 Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:53:57 No.43274149 Report Delete

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>>43274089
>But in an all-out battle in the woods, the aztecs would slaughter the horsemen, being in a terrain which gives them a really huge advantage.

Apparently those mahuatil (or however you spell those horrific sword-club-axe things they used) were alarmingly effective as weaponry; there's a few instances of Aztec warriors chopping the heads of horses right the fuck off in battle with Spaniards, which is pretty impressive for what amounts to a big stick with natural glass stuck in it.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:54:43 No.43274159 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274190

>>43274121
Depending on the size of the Cauldron-born's numbers simply stampeding them into mush could work, but the larger their numbers would be, the more unlikely mongol victory is

>>43274139
2spooky

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:56:12 No.43274177 Report Delete

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>>43273525
>1
These two

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:56:56 No.43274185 Report Delete

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>>43273525
>fantasy army

Fucking cloud giants. gg no re.

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WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5 Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:57:35 No.43274190 Report Delete

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>>43274159
>Depending on the size of the Cauldron-born's numbers simply stampeding them into mush could work, but the larger their numbers would be, the more unlikely mongol victory is

Perhaps.
The Cauldron-Born also had cavalry and siege weapons.
In effect they were just soldiers who never broke, always followed orders perfectly, felt no pain and wouldn't die, so that's probably why they're such effective foes; it's all the benefits of a trained soldier with none of the downsides of being a biological being with free will.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:59:56 No.43274209 Report Delete

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>>43274177
well, three 50-men-strong waves from three directions of loosely spaced corsemen charge could take care of that

>>4327418
op pls nerf

>>43274190
Sounds like they where created by a man who really hated loosing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:15:47 No.43274338 Report Delete

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>>43273525
Magic makes this beyond easy.

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WulinSage !!s9bpfzjTdN5 Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:16:41 No.43274344 Report Delete

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>>43274209
>Sounds like they where created by a man who really hated loosing.

A guy who was basically Welsh Sauron, yeah.
And to be exact the sorcerous device used to create them, the Black Cauldron, was NOT made by him, just appropriated by him for some unspecified but certainly dire price.

In theory anyone with the Cauldron could make Cauldron-Born once he has assumed mastery of it, but guarding it is fairly easy since you just need to put it in the heart of your power and make some deathless warriors to guard the thing you need to make more deathless warriors with.

An entire novel in the series (one of five) is based around the heroes raising an army to steal and destroy the goddamn thing rather then let him keep building up an immortal army over time.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:20:19 No.43274375 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274479 >>43274703

>>43274344
Well, i wish good luck for the heroes

>>43274338
Not even hell itself can save a man with a arrow-pierced throat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:29:17 No.43274479 Report Delete

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>>43274375
Protection from Arrows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:37:34 No.43274558 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274602 >>43274777

>>43273525
30,000 fantasy Mongolian horse archers.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:41:06 No.43274602 Report Delete

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>>43274558
simple but effective

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:48:14 No.43274703 Report Delete

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>>43274375
>a arrow pierced
Grammar please.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:53:01 No.43274777 Report Delete

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>>43274558
Depends on who is leading them, really.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:54:41 No.43274791 Report Delete

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>>43273525
Eighty infinity dragondemititangigagiants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:55:32 No.43274799 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43274811 >>43276149

>>43273771
And yet, the Mongol Empire was the largest human empire in the entire history of the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 10:56:37 No.43274811 Report Delete

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>>43274799
Second largest.

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:05:36 No.43274934 Report Delete

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>>43274703
Grammar rejected

>>43274811
Largest land* empire

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:07:18 No.43274954 Report Delete

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>>43273525
20'000 pike-and-shot
20'000 pike-and-shot
20'000 pike-and-shot

Khan

Khan Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:10:19 No.43274994 Report Delete

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>>43274954
>[loud sweating]

Gonzalo de Córdoba

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Gonzalo de Córdoba Sun 25 Oct 2015 11:15:35 No.43275055 Report Delete

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>>43274994
OPONIENDO PICAS A CABALLOS

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 12:34:02 No.43276149 Report Delete

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>>43273816
>>43274799
Well, horse archers weren't really the only thing the Mongols used throughout the entirety of their conquests.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 12:57:03 No.43276501 Report Delete

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>>43273772
1. If we're dealing with full-plate knights the arrows will ping. If they are very wealthy mid-period knights or early plate knights the arrows will hurt them but not be too lethal.

But the mongols have lances too, and better maneuverability, and better speed, and better cohesion as a group, and a numerical advantage.

That being said, I agree that the knights do at least have some chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 13:12:17 No.43276727 Report Delete

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>>43273772
Let's look at actual history, shall we?

The knights that went up against Mongols got rekt. Not necessarily just because of simple arrows- but they did get rekt.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 13:38:24 No.43277165 Report Delete

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20000 skeletons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 14:30:37 No.43278087 Report Delete

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>>43273525
1. Skeleton army
2.Elves
3.Dwarves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 14:31:05 No.43278099 Report Delete

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>>43273525
>which army

Q. Scenario 1/2/3
A. Any

Literally any matched fantasy army could beat your midgets rapidly shooting tiny little midget arrows with tiny little midget bows from the backs of steppe ponies as tall at the shoulder as a collie.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 14:31:58 No.43278112 Report Delete

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>>43278087
>1. Skeleton Army
>2. Skeleton Army
>3. Skeleton Army

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 14:42:38 No.43278342 Report Delete

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>>43273525
Any army with shields.

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