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Pathfinder General: Why Can't I Hold All These Siege Weapons Edition

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:07:37 No.43280042 View Reply Report Delete

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Unified /pfg/ pastebin
http://pastebin.com/NYB3QyVp

Tell us if 3pp is allowed, damn you!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:09:15 No.43280072 Report Delete

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>>43280042
First marrying a Paladin!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:11:03 No.43280103 Report Delete

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>>43280042
I appreciate the pic OP. I have an unassembled model of him, but I can't read moonspeak and there aren't any english instructions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:12:47 No.43280142 Report Delete

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>>43280075
Well, if he's really excited for the idea of it, I would just let him have it anyway. I mean, it doesn't hurt anything, does it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:13:46 No.43280161 Report Delete

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I'm making a stalker who's a 8th level initiator. what's the easiest way to make my manuver list

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:14:40 No.43280181 Report Delete

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>>43280142
Oh, totally. I'm not saying he can't, but it is silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:16:31 No.43280210 Report Delete

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6th for the Senate and the People of Taldor

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:17:29 No.43280235 Report Delete

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>>43280161
What disciplines do you want to use? Honestly the best way is to just go through it level by level. that way you're less likely to screw things up.

I recommend picking 3 disciplines and just focusing on those. It helps narrow things down and saves time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:19:01 No.43280265 Report Delete

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>>43280161
Any other classes or racial hit dice, or is it just stalker 8?

if it's just stalker 8, you have the following numbers of maneuvers of first, second, third and fourth level: 7/2/2/2, and you move three of the 1st-level maneuvers out into the other categories, so it looks more like 4/3/3/3 (so 3 per maneuver level and an extra 1 in 1st-level). you generally want to spread those out in two or three disciplines, as Elric suggests.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:22:02 No.43280331 Report Delete

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>>43280181
Okay, so there's not actually any problem, then? The way you posted made me think you were asking for help, but I wasn't sure what you actually needed help with. Simulacrum is the kind of spell that can cause headaches, after all. I like to add the requirements that you have to know what you're making a simulacrum of and also have a piece of them, like some blood, hair, or skin.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:29:10 No.43280481 Report Delete

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>>43280331
No, not at all. Sorry for the confusion. I have a lot of requirements to successfully use it, but he's asked me to make 4 different colossal creatures.

It's gonna be funny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:35:13 No.43280609 Report Delete

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>>43280481
Which four? Does he plan to make some sort of mobile fortress out of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:39:05 No.43280679 Report Delete

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>>43280072

>Paladin of Iomedae meets a Paladin of Shizuru

What happens?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:43:52 No.43280771 Report Delete

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>>43280679
You get baby Paladins, obviously. But only after marriage.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:44:20 No.43280779 Report Delete

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Would it PROBABLY be okay to play a Blight Druid/Pack Lord combination that has the Blight Druid's Nature Bond replaced with Pack Lord's Pack Bond? I mean I know it's basically up to the DM really, but I just felt like I should ask here before asking him.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:44:33 No.43280782 Report Delete

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>>43280609
It's worked before, probably can work again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:45:38 No.43280797 Report Delete

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>>43280481
You know, wouldn't you think making a Simulacrum of a larger creature would take longer? Oh well, it's magic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:46:56 No.43280821 Report Delete

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>>43280779
By RAW, no. You can't combine archetypes that alter or replace the same feature.

Of course, what your GM allows is on him, but we can't really comment on that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:47:33 No.43280834 Report Delete

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>>43280235
>>43280265
I'm making a wis ranger with zen archer 3 stalker 6 using the new trait. I realised I screwed up cause that makes me a 9th initiator right? cause stalker 6+2 + (.5*3) to a max of 9. I was going to go 100% solar wind cause ranged. Was there any other maneuvers I should pick up?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:49:44 No.43280868 Report Delete

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>>43280834
Tempest Gale, and you should definitely do the procedure level-by-level.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:50:23 No.43280876 Report Delete

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>>43280821
They don't really replace the same features though, or at least not exactly as far as I can tell.

I mean yes, Blight Druid's Nature Bond is different than the basic archetype's, but it's still Nature Bond in name, right? And Pack Lord's Pack Bond just so happens to replace Nature Bond. I know my logic here's probably bullshit, but that's the way I see it.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:50:23 No.43280878 Report Delete

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>>43280679

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:52:21 No.43280902 Report Delete

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>>43280834
I'm very confused by what you say you're making. Just to be clear, it's Ranger 3/Stalker 6?

That changes things. You would have the maneuvers known, readied and stances of a 6th level stalker, but your initiator level would be 7. Or 9 if you're using the trait Practiced Initiator.

If you want ranged, you want to look at Tempest Gale from Path of War: Expanded. It pairs very well with Solar wind for ranged shenanigans and is added to stalkers for free. I'd recommend picking up a 3rd discipline to help flesh things out as well. Riven Hourglass or Elemental Flux are both good options.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:53:09 No.43280910 Report Delete

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Are there any 3.5e, Paizo, or 3pp books about special materials and unusual stuff you can do with relatively mundane crafting?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:54:19 No.43280923 Report Delete

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>>43280902
zen archer is a monk actually

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:54:20 No.43280924 Report Delete

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>>43280876
Blight Druid alters the Nature's Bond, therefore it's not compatible with any other archetype that also alters or replaces Nature's Bond. It doesn't matter how much or little it's altered. This is the RAW, and it's just about as unambiguous as Pathfinder rules get.

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:58:14 No.43280993 Report Delete

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>>43280923
Which is what's confusing me. You said:
>I'm making a wis ranger with zen archer 3

Ranger is a class. It uses WIS already, and uses bows. I couldn't parse whether you were building with 3 levels of ranger or 3 levels of Zen Archer because those are two very different things and you mashed them together. On top of originally presenting your build as Stalker 8 despite that being nowhere near what you're actually building.

I like helping people build classes based on mine and other PoW authors' works, but I can't do it if you can't be clear about what you're trying to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:58:19 No.43280998 Report Delete

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>>43280876
>can't combine archetypes that alter or replace the same feature
>>43280821
Not the anon you're replying to but definitely no Blight druid alters Nature's Bond so you cannot also take pack lord. I'm not even a RAW heavy player and I'd say no. Of course if your DM's fine with it then my opinion is invalid.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 16:59:39 No.43281021 Report Delete

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>>43280993
I think he just means he's making a ranged character with 3 levels of ZA monk and 6 of stalker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:00:22 No.43281034 Report Delete

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>>43280993
I didn't say that at all, just interpreting "zen archer". ranger probably means archer. (I'm the other guy proficient with PoW here)

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:01:25 No.43281059 Report Delete

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>>43280679
Jolly cooperation

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU

Elric !iXwZjp.UKU Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:02:17 No.43281074 Report Delete

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>>43281021
Hence why I asked for clarification. Ranger is a class, Zen Archer is an archetype of a different class. The advice I give is dependent on which one he's using in addition to Stalker because they play differently.

>>43281034
This is the problem with trying to respond to anons. I'm never sure which one is which.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:06:21 No.43281154 Report Delete

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>>43280679
Who is Shizuru again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:09:45 No.43281213 Report Delete

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>>43281154

Goddess of Honor, the Sun and Samurai.

She's essentially Amaterasu, to the point that Not!Japan (Minkai) reveres her as their state goddess.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:16:52 No.43281335 Report Delete

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Looking for feedback on my gunslinger re-write. Keep in mind that I'm using a bastardized version of the Psitech stuff from the playtest:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/o423csux390h73n/Psitech.pdf?dl=0

Basically, guns don't misfire, and instead have an armor penetration value where they ignore X amounts of armor and natural armor bonus. Also, early and advanced firearms/ammo are priced at 1/10th the base cost, but remain exotic weapons.

Anyhow, here is the first draft. I don't care if you tell me it sucks as long as you make suggestions to make it suck less:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pM4MYcDC4w_rP_YL7aYseKLDfWashp0GZnO7Kl4hnUg/edit?usp=sharing

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:23:16 No.43281434 Report Delete

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Can someone explain vitalist to an idiot like me? Not really familiar with psionic stuff

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:23:43 No.43281446 Report Delete

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What happens when a brownfur transmuter use their share transformation ability with paragon surge? Does the recipient still have to be a half-elf?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:34:13 No.43281676 Report Delete

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If Scarlet Throne only works if you're one-handing a sword, and Primal Fury works best if you're two-handing a sword...

... Does this mean taking Exotic Weapon Proficiency for Bastard Sword is a good idea? You can switch between one-handing and two-handing as a free action.

Plus, hand-and-a-half combat is slick as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:35:56 No.43281714 Report Delete

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>>43281676
Scarlet Throne only works as long as you're using a single melee weapon; it explicitly states that two-handing a non-double weapon is permitted, so no need to get a Bastard Sword. A Katana, on the other hand, works wonders especially with the Katana Expertise feat that they released.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:35:57 No.43281716 Report Delete

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>>43281676
Only Scarlet Einhander requires you to one-hand a sword. You can use any of the other maneuvers with any weapon you wish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:38:36 No.43281791 Report Delete

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>>43280235
Yeah, wish I'd thought to do this.

Would have made things a lot easier. My low level maneuver list is kind of a mess.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:41:05 No.43281842 Report Delete

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>>43281714
>spoiler
What about a Kriegsmesser?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:47:21 No.43281988 Report Delete

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>>43280103
>Needing english to build gunpla
All you need are the part numbers

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:51:42 No.43282096 Report Delete

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>>43281988
Shit that's cool. Are those official designs or custom works? It looks like the one on the right has a GN-X-esque shield.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 17:55:02 No.43282158 Report Delete

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>>43282096
The one on the left is a custom Barbatos from the new Gundam show "Iron Blooded Orphans" and the one on the right is a custom G-Bouncer from Gundam Age

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:51:42 No.43283373 Report Delete

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>>43282096
Barbatos's official design is still pretty nice. Still gets the awesome weapon

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:53:38 No.43283417 Report Delete

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>>43283373
The Barbatos has an interesting design and it grows on me the more I look at it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 18:54:11 No.43283434 Report Delete

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>>43283373
I think I'd like Barbatos' design more if it had some skirting to cover up that waist joint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:25:23 No.43284086 Report Delete

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>>43283417
>>43283434
>>43283373
>>43282158
>>43281988
>>43280103
>>>/jp/

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:33:24 No.43284242 Report Delete

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>>43284086
If you're gonna do that, at least direct us to the right board, bruh.
Gunpla discussions go to >>>/m/

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:36:54 No.43284329 Report Delete

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So /pfg/, how would you build a 5-dimensional hypercube?

Hard Mode: Don't go insane doing it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:37:07 No.43284335 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43284410

playing Reign of Winter as 2 player party of dwarf paladin and elf fey sorcerer who plays like an arcane archer.

what are the odds are for a party wipe?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:39:07 No.43284387 Report Delete

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>>43284329
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Renovation
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Teleport%20Structure
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Mage%27s%20Magnificent%20Mansion
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SpellDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Maze

Mix as desired.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:39:08 No.43284388 Report Delete

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>>43284086
I am actually using these to build my NPCs in my group's arcforge test game. Its pretty good inspiration.

Pic related is perfect base off the basic biped much pilot they can fight.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:39:58 No.43284407 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43284442 >>43284775

What rules are there for constructs as Player Characters? What classes would make sense? If a Promethean Alchemist dies, how hard would it be to spec out a homunculus as a player character?

If a GM tells players to make two characters to play simultaneously, but one of the players is playing a Promethean Alchemist, how hard would it be to bring the Homunculus up to the level of another PC, and can the alchemist still be relevant if he's technically still losing the class features required by the Promethean Alchemist archetype?

Since we're on the topic, for all you folks who have played the Promethean Alchemist archetype before, describe your homunculus, what you had them doing, and whether or not you loved and cherished them or used them like tools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:40:00 No.43284410 Report Delete

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>>43284335
This seems unnecessarily suicidal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:41:20 No.43284442 Report Delete

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>>43284407
Be a wyrwood. Congratulations. You are now a PC construct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:41:38 No.43284453 Report Delete

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>>43284410
any suggestions on how to adjust?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:42:36 No.43284474 Report Delete

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>>43284453
Get more players

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:44:49 No.43284518 Report Delete

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>>43284474
not possible. anything else?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:46:18 No.43284548 Report Delete

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>>43284518
Get Friends

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:47:37 No.43284578 Report Delete

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>>43284518
Befriend some dragons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:51:54 No.43284690 Report Delete

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>>43284518
Gestalt is usually the fix for low player count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:51:55 No.43284691 Report Delete

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>>43284518
>>not possible
Unless you're a small group of people that are isolated away from the rest of the world in some remote and desolate geographical location you can always find more players. There's multiple websites for doing just that in fact, gamer connection places are all over.

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:54:59 No.43284775 Report Delete

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>>43284407
One of the many, many things I'm sort of in the process of brewing is a robotic race. And none-a that pussy Android shit.

Clang clang, motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:55:07 No.43284777 Report Delete

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>>43284518
Adjust your levels upwards by one, play classes that have companions, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 19:55:20 No.43284782 Report Delete

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>>43284690
On top of that they could gestalt with classes that give battle buddies.

The game does give you opportunities to have a few tagalongs though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:02:37 No.43284981 Report Delete

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>>43284691
yeah will be in a small research lab in northern norweigen shores

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:24:23 No.43285461 Report Delete

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So I recently got a crazy idea...

I want to make a PF character named Zanzibar Jones, named after one of the best players in the current SA Blood Bowl LP.

How would you go about building a leaping cocky showboaty elf football/blood bowl player in PF?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:28:17 No.43285568 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43286094

>>43278029
Well duh a RAGELANCEPOUNCE barbarian out-damages it. News at eleven. No one cares though because a ragelancepounce barbarian is the literal most damage you can deal in the game.

Also: its a level 12 build.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:28:55 No.43285583 Report Delete

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>Psychoportive Talent trait

Damn, isn't this really good if you have Psionic Meditation?
It does what a lot of the level 2 PoW counters essentially do, except you don't even have to make a roll for it to work.

If you're a strike-focused initiator or a manifester then you'll barely even miss the move action needed to regain focus.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:41:24 No.43285883 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43286261

>>43284086
Fine I'll just play a gundam wizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:50:40 No.43286094 Report Delete

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>>43285568
Also: your lance only does multiplied damage on the first hit of the charge. Learn the rules.

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:57:02 No.43286261 Report Delete

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>>43285883
>Wizard
>Gundam

>Not VOTOMS
>Not martial
>Not taking your enemies to the wall and shooting them in the head with your armor magnum.

All these bitch niggas all around me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:57:54 No.43286293 Report Delete

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>>43286094
Yes. And you still get the rest of your full attack. Last I checked, one multiplied lance attack + your iterative attacks was still crazy damage.

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:59:45 No.43286343 Report Delete

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>>43286261
Don't worry, you'll always have me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:00:50 No.43286371 Report Delete

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>>43286261
Do you have any good pics of the best type of mecha, walking tanks with lots and lots of guns?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:02:13 No.43286417 Report Delete

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>>43286261
Would Chirico really count as a Martial, though?
I mean he's got the whole "Abnormal Survivor" thing going on.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:02:33 No.43286429 Report Delete

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>>43286371
Tons of guns are always nice

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:02:33 No.43286430 Report Delete

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>>43286371
One of my pathfinder campaigns that I DM features such mechs heavily.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:04:47 No.43286488 Report Delete

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>>43286293
NO argument. It is the most damage you can do.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:05:08 No.43286500 Report Delete

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>>43286371
>lots and lots of guns

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:07:09 No.43286546 Report Delete

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>>43286417
I'll let you know once I find a way to watch the original VOTOMS series in anything other than sub 140p potato vision copied from what looks like a pirate VHS.

I'm presently watching the Pailsen files and it hasn't come up yet.

Abilities or no, I respect good pilots and I respect rocket winch users.
Scopedog is like someone made Desert Punk into a mech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:10:06 No.43286628 Report Delete

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>>43280042
You forgot to link the last thread dickweed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:11:05 No.43286645 Report Delete

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>>43286546
You want the spoiler on what I'm referring to?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:11:38 No.43286659 Report Delete

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Has anyone figured out how to optimize Eldritch Archers (HotS) yet?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:12:47 No.43286682 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43286745

>>43286500
>>43286429

It's the walking tank and "box with legs" aesthetic that's more important. This guy >>43286430 gets it.

Not sure why they're my favorite. Not sure why planemechas are my second-favorite, either, since I've never watched any of the shows with them.

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:14:22 No.43286716 Report Delete

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>>43286645
I already have a rough idea from reading the tropes page.

I just don't know the extent.

Honestly I just love the mech design.

It's like a weird vertical-tank Messerschmidt.
Basically a walking petrol bomb that happens to be a high mobility mech.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:15:35 No.43286745 Report Delete

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>>43286682
Planemechs, you say?
How about a planemech with more guns than a Rob Liefeld character?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:16:08 No.43286758 Report Delete

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>>43286659

Very interested in this as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:17:20 No.43286791 Report Delete

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>>43286659
Well, you can do the 1 level dip into Spellslinger for ridiculous crits thing...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:17:42 No.43286805 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43286884

Does anyone know what a juju fetish is? There's several revelations that mention them but I can't find any other mention of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:18:01 No.43286815 Report Delete

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>>43286430
What rules do you use for mechs in Pathfinder?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:18:52 No.43286835 Report Delete

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>>43286371
Is this enough guns for you?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:19:43 No.43286864 Report Delete

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>>43286261
Votoms is alright but I'm more of a Blue Comet kinda guy myself

>TFW the original masters literally got blue-washed

BLUE COMET TOO STRONK

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:19:46 No.43286866 Report Delete

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>>43286815
Dragonmech, mainly.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:19:47 No.43286867 Report Delete

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>>43286745

That's not very elegant, anon. I'm just now realizing that I'm fairly picky about mechs. Hadn't given it much thought before. Liefieldian amounts of guns turns me off of a humanoid mech, but a walking tank with lots of guns and weapons is awesome.

>>43286835
Love it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:20:19 No.43286884 Report Delete

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>>43286805
They're Wonderous Items that Juju Oracles make. They only last a short time and only Juju Oracles can create them. They're from AP Serpent's Skull #39

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:22:32 No.43286937 Report Delete

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>>43286884
Ah, that explains it. Thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:27:49 No.43287050 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287078

>>43286866
How difficult would it be to work those rules into a standard game of Pathfinder, say one set in Numeria or the Mana Wastes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:29:19 No.43287078 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287179

>>43287050
Dragonmech is an awful mess, so about as difficult as it was to integrate into 3.5.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:31:16 No.43287113 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287594

Never played an alchemist, but a Homunculus can be used by anyone right? The craft construct feat is required, the three spells lower the DC check by 5 for being able to do each, that I understand. Having craft leather or sculpture lets you add your skill ranks to the dc check but isn't required, yes?

And the reason you see alchemists use a homunculus is because they get access to potions others cannot make for the sake of the add 10 potions to grant spell like ability. Are the improved homunculus abilities listed the only abilities that can be granted, or are you allowed to make all other standard construct alterations as well, such as increasing ability score for 5k or improving it's natural armor through the armor modification section? And while perhaps nonsensical, does the physical weapon modification technically apply to its body concerning construct points? Spend points to graft a weapon to it and now it has a reach slash attack? Does a homunculus have all that construct customization options available to it in addition to what is listed under homunculus specific upgrades?

And finally if you have a sorcerer and alchemist in the same party, is the alchemist able to assist the sorcerer in it's crafting/surgery to grant it the abilities an alchemist can give it's own? A sorcerer can get a homunculus made for him by the alchemist just like a sorcerer can help a smith make a magic sword right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:34:26 No.43287179 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287255

>>43287078
That's too bad.
I've been wanting to introduce a mech aspect to my game but haven't decided how to do it. Right now I'm just using the rules for Animated Objects and Construction Points, but that's rather unsatisfying.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:36:47 No.43287231 Report Delete

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>>43286867
You've activated my trap card, anon.

So folks, as an update on stuff tangentially related to Path of War - Mourners is reaching its close. If things go how I think they're going (seat-of-the-pants writing, weeee), there's two, maybe three updates left until Aisling & Anastasia's story has been told. Figured here, before the climax, might be a good time to ask how folks feel it's gone, their thoughts on the characters & plot, field questions, that sort of thing.

For those who are wondering what the fuck I'm talking about, you want the stories under the Mourners heading here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?432004-Cool-Dreamscarred-Press-fiction!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:37:46 No.43287255 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287367

>>43287179

I guess there's waiting for DSP to finish their mech supplement, but they were doing it as a mix of class features/archetypes and items, instead of just items to use.

Decent way to do it but not quite what I was hoping for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:42:11 No.43287367 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287428

>>43287255
Yeah, I would have really preferred a plug-in version so players don't have to spend a lot of class resources to make use of them.

If I could create a powerful mech to fight my players and challenge, but have it piloted by a low level NPC, that would be ideal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:44:32 No.43287428 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287652

>>43287367
Just build it as if it were the mech of a higher level character that just happened to die or something

It's a 10th level mech, salvaged by a lucky 3rd level engineer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:52:17 No.43287594 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288282

>>43287113
Construct Points are for Animated Objects ONLY.

I don't know why people keep fucking ignoring that part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:53:06 No.43287615 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287673

>>43281676
You can do that with a longsword too. The only difference is one damage on average.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:54:49 No.43287652 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287709

>>43287428
So powerful mechs don't require high level characters to pilot them?
Good to hear, that piques my interest again.

Could a high level NPC feasibly create an army of mechs to challenge PCs by giving the mechs to average level pilots?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:55:35 No.43287673 Report Delete

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>>43287615
Some people don't seem to understand that two-handed weapons and using a weapon in two hands aren't related in terms of damage. Light weapons gain no benefit from being used in two hands, but the only difference between a Longsword and a Greatsword is the Longsword has a lower base damage and can be used in one hand as well as two, while the Greatsword cannot be used in one hand at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:57:05 No.43287709 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287748 >>43287758

>>43287652
Look at the Eclipse archetype

It creates an army of tiny flying mechs. They're not necessarily high level (he has to split his pilot level between them) but while he can control them remotely there's nothing saying that they can't be piloted, either. Could be a good basis for a villain of that type, especially given the fearsome aura his robots gain and their ability to fuse together into a mega robot at his command.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:58:31 No.43287748 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287788

>>43287709
>literally power rangers and/or Voltron

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:58:48 No.43287758 Report Delete

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>>43287709
>ability to fuse together into a mega robot at his command
But when their dynotherms connect, who forms the head?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:59:04 No.43287768 Report Delete

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>>43279643
I want to make an adventurer who is a good chef and has class abilities that I can refluff into being cooking related. Any particular class I should go with?

no 3pp allowed for this one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 21:59:53 No.43287788 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287829 >>43287886

>>43287758
The Eclipse.

>>43287748
Given it belongs to a master of fear effects with an army of winged minions, it's more a Psycho Rangers/Lo-Tron scenario.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:00:27 No.43287813 Report Delete

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>>43286791
Explain further.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:01:13 No.43287828 Report Delete

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>>43287768
Bard seems obvious, as long as you avoid the illusion component. Good cooking is a morale booster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:01:13 No.43287829 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287924

>>43287768
Pretty much any of them, if you're creative.

>>43287788
Alternately, the Wicked Witch of the West.
She's pretty scary and has flying minions.

The giant robot was in the director's cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:03:49 No.43287886 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43287924

>>43287788
OR the Wicked Witch of the West.
She's pretty scary and has flying minions.

The giant robot was in the director's cut.

>>43287768
Absolutely anything can be a chef if you are creative enough.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:05:00 No.43287920 Report Delete

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>>43287768
Expert

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:05:08 No.43287924 Report Delete

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>>43287829
>>43287886
Thanks, 4chan.
Just, don't show me my own post until I've already repeated myself.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:05:32 No.43287937 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288128

Tangentally-related; I just remembered that Greyhawk has mechas. If I didn't already have a game, I'd be strongly considering starting a campaign to playtest Steelforge.

Pic related. It's a 20-foot-tall undead bug piloted by an elf in its chest. They're used in ship-to-ship space combat, and the bigger ones have FTL.

>>43287768

Buffing spellcaster, fluffing prepared spells as creating snack food/food that's Just That Good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:05:40 No.43287940 Report Delete

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>>43287768
Alchemist. Extracts are now pastries.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:07:18 No.43287974 Report Delete

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>>43287813
1 level dip into spellslinger nets you some neat gun stuff; one of which is the ability to fire spells through the arcane gun.

>At 1st level, the spellslinger decides whether he wants to have one or two arcane guns at a time. If the spellslinger chooses to have only one arcane gun at a time, spells fired through the arcane gun that require an attack roll have a ×3 critical hit multiplier.

>A spellslinger can cast any ranged touch attack, cone, line, or ray spells through his arcane gun. When he casts through the arcane gun, the gun’s enhancement bonus (if any) is a bonus to the spell’s attack rolls or to the spell’s saving throw DCs.

There's some other stuff, but this is the important part.

You then take your magus levels in an archetype that nets you ranged spellstrike (so eldritch archer or myrmidarch). There's nothing really stopping you from casting and also shooting the spells through your gun for some nice bonuses.

The god stuff comes in when you grab Named bullet with spell blending.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/n/named-bullet

Through a casting of named bullet, you guarantee that whatever spell you fire from your gun will crit, dealing 3x damage. You can cast it before battle with a bit of preparation too.

Disintegrate is a good candidate. Even just 1 disintegrate+named bullet will do 120d6 damage at max level. You could even swift action cast it, empower it, use rods, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:09:30 No.43288024 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288107 >>43288193 >>43288308

>>43287974
Oh my fucking God. And Eldritch Archer says only a ranged weapon, not just a bow. This is great.
What feats should I grab and such?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:11:53 No.43288089 Report Delete

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>>43287974
Enervation is a good option here. Reach Spell can add a bunch more options as well (rods are ideal for this since they're cheap and you don't even get higher than 6th level spells anyway).

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:12:46 No.43288107 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288158

>>43288024
Point-blank Shot
Precise Shot
Far Shot
Rapid Shot

Those are the general ranged feats to start with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:13:25 No.43288128 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288305

>>43287937
>Spelljammer
>Greyhawk

oh shit nigger what are you doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:14:21 No.43288158 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288726

>>43288107
He doesn't need rapid shot because most of the good spells to use this trick with are single-shot anyway.

Rapid Reload is better, for free action reloads, or he can use metal cartridges.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:14:44 No.43288174 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288238

Creatures with an alignment subtype have their natural weapons count as that alignment for the purpose of overcoming DR, but does that also apply to overcoming regeneration?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:15:22 No.43288193 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288374

>>43287974
>>43288024
Are there any recommendations for those of us in games where guns are not allowed? I mean, should we just take the normal suite of archery feats? No dips would be necessary, so that's a plus...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:15:23 No.43288194 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288238

If you have Leadership, can followers multi-class? Is there a rule about this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:17:08 No.43288238 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43288174
RAW? No. DR =/= Regeneration.
Most sane DMs would houserule otherwise though, and weapons that are just "good-aligned" instead of "good-aligned for the purpose of X" would work.

>>43288194
There are no rules concerning what classes NPCS and cohorts can have, or even if the player with the feat can directly control them. That's entirely GM territory there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:18:59 No.43288281 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288332 >>43288991 >>43291752

Hey joining a lvl 5 PvP game and the current team consists of two druids, an inquisitor and a synthesist summoner. I don't know any of these people so what do I bring to balance out this party and how do I not get pissed at the druid who's also a drider?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:19:00 No.43288282 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288378

>>43287594
No, it's not animated objects only. It's for constructs, of which the creature is one of.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:19:49 No.43288305 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288379

>>43288128
I mostly had read up on the parts of the Unhuman Wars that take place in Oerth's crystal sphere. My bad.

It's still technically correct. Greyhawk has giant mecha. Greyspace totally counts as part of that setting. I'd want to have the campaign start at Barrier Peaks probably, before shooting the crashed spaceship into space and forcing the adventurers in it to deal with the fact that they're in a space opera now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:20:02 No.43288308 Report Delete

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>>43288024
Could take rime spell and then use snowballs to entangle fools as a low level strategy.

Aside from that, you want to-hit boosts. If you want to use spell combat, you'll probably need rapid reload even with pistols.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:20:53 No.43288332 Report Delete

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>>43288281
>PvP game
christ

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:20:59 No.43288334 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288416 >>43288423

Can anyone give me a good use for the eldritch archer's spellstrike? It seems like it would be easier and more productive to shoot rays and other effects independently of your bow attacks, since they'd be hitting touch AC instead of regular AC, and since it wastes rays if you don't have enough attacks to deliver them through spellstrike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:22:18 No.43288374 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288768

>>43288193
Well, you sadly can't grab the 3x crit then, but you also don't need the free reloading shit and can just use a bow. Would still grab named bullet tho, that guaranteed crit and extra damage is just niiiiice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:22:36 No.43288378 Report Delete

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>>43288282
Construct Points are an Animated Object thing only, what the fuck are you talking about? No other creature has them. Golems, etc. Arent customizable with them. Non-Animated custom constructs have their own set of rules.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:22:37 No.43288379 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288587

>>43288305
God, that would be as jarring as suddenly going to the moon in FFIV.

Awesome.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:23:50 No.43288416 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43288334
You can do touch spells too with Reach Spellstrike

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:24:02 No.43288423 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43288334
Well, unless you use a gun, or a brilliant energy weapon, or a throwing weapon like alchemists fire (remember, you don't have to use your bound weapon). Plus you get a nice damage boost from also making the attack I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:27:43 No.43288510 Report Delete

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>>43287974

So wait... is this actually a legit build? Could I pull some Outlaw Star caster gun crazy shit? Could guns not suck?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:28:55 No.43288543 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288616

>>43288510
Yes, yes, and... well, they're still not optimal, but they stop sucking, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:29:47 No.43288573 Report Delete

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>>43288510
Spell slinger 1/full caster 19 had been a build for a while now.

This one is just a bit more honed for damage. Heaven's oracle 19 would be the one you want for caster gunning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:29:49 No.43288575 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288624

>>43288510
>Could guns not suck?
Anon, the spell is doing all the work.

Guns are just the delivery method.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:30:19 No.43288587 Report Delete

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>>43288379
My group's main GM has a habit of abruptly changing genre midcampaign. It's great. One game went from being a lot of political maneuvering and exploration to suddenly being betrayed by a party member who got infected with a bit of the apocalypse, and trying to stop said apocalypse from happening. Another campaign went from being a shadowrun-style cyberpunk game to something... Different, when it was revealed that the two important megacorps we'd been involved with were headed by Izanagi and Izanami, fighting an age-old lovers' spat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:31:21 No.43288616 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288700

>>43288543

What kind of gun would likely be used here?

I got some time still but this sounds like a really fun build idea I wanna run with for my DMs next homebrew.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:31:44 No.43288624 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288666

>>43288575
To be fair, this particular delivery method does triple your damage and only works for guns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:33:00 No.43288656 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288802 >>43289005

>>43287974
I don't get why people make buids that can do really cool things once they get to level X and get Y spell or Z class feature.

Especially when X is above level 10. Playing at that level is all magic tea party anyways.

The CORRECT thing to do is to just spend half of your WBL on simulacrums of yourself. Everything else is just kinda...not very good, or obviously better in combination with the above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:33:14 No.43288666 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288790

>>43288624
It's still trading spell slots for damage, which is pretty lame.

Spells that deal ability damage/drain and negative levels get a lot more reliable with this, though. Enervation in particular, especially with the usual metamagic shtick.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:34:14 No.43288700 Report Delete

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>>43288616
I'd recommend pistols, since you can get their reloads down to free (assuming no modern guns).

And if you are using pistols anyway, may as well use pistol-dagger, or pistol-sword-cane. Pistol sword cane is pretty useful, because you can't cast without having your bound item in hand, and it's kinda hidden in plain sight.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:35:02 No.43288726 Report Delete

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>>43288158
Magus 1: Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Arcane Pool, Ranged Spell Combat, Ranged Weapon Bond
Spellslinger 1: Arcane Gun (EWP Firearms), Gunsmithing bonus feat, Mage Bullets
Magus 2: Far Shot, Ranged Spellstrike
Magus 3: Magus Arcana (Not sure which one)
Magus 4: Rapid Reload, Spell Recall

Not sure what comes after these.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:36:31 No.43288768 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288827 >>43288831

>>43288374
True. Truth is, I've never done an archery build (well, I made an NPC Bolt Ace in a game I ran, but that doesn't really count for much since he was only in a couple fights). I know the feats that are good for builds like that, but are there any magic items that would be particularly useful for an Eldritcher Archer, moreso than a normal Magus? Aside from, of course, and enchanted longbow.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:37:15 No.43288790 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288811

>>43288666
>Being a cool blaster is lame
>I do not understand how other people have different tastes
Jump off a cliff tbh famladm8

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:37:43 No.43288802 Report Delete

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>>43288656
Oh, it's perfectly working, I just used disintegrate as an example of the shenanigans you can do.

Although, you do only get Named Bullet at 10...

But even up until that point, the bonus to your DCs is very, very handy from the gun, especially since you have two methods to enhance it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:38:08 No.43288811 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288847 >>43288851

>>43288790
No, I mean, mechanically lame. As in, crippled.

Not uninteresting or unfun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:38:45 No.43288827 Report Delete

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>>43288768
>enchanted longbow

Just remember that it's your arcane bond, so upgrading that sucker is half off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:38:55 No.43288831 Report Delete

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>>43288768
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/bracers-of-falcon-s-aim

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:39:36 No.43288847 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288931 >>43288937

>>43288811
Oh. Then yeah, but he should still be able to grab non-damage spells and do other stuff. It won't be optimal, but he should still be competent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:39:58 No.43288851 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43288931

>>43288811
Eh, you are playing Magus, damage is kinda the name of the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:42:49 No.43288931 Report Delete

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>>43288851
>>43288847
Yeah. I mean, for a blaster, he's among the best at it.

But as usual, Wizard is still better at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:42:53 No.43288937 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289040

>>43288847
A evocation sorcerer is a great build. Damage that matters when you need it, some utility that matters when you need it, and not every sorcerer is the same cookie cutter due to the spell slots thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:44:38 No.43288991 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289209

>>43288281
I remember one pvp game I tried back when roll20 was new and folk thought that was a good idea.
It's never a good idea

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:45:22 No.43289005 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289079 >>43289242

>>43288656
>half your WBL on simulacrums of yourself

You sure about that, Anon? I mean, that seems like an awful lot of money down the drain, considering they'll be effectively half you level. They shouldn't be able to keep up well at the higher levels, and while the action economy boost you get from them is nice I don't think they'll stick around long. Besides, why spend actual money on a spell when you can dump Blood Money into it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:46:51 No.43289040 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289079 >>43289242

>>43288937
>elemental immunity
oh noooooooo

Admixture wizard is strictly superior to any form of sorcerer when it comes to blasting. I can go find the guide that proves it if it's needed. Brewer's guide to a hollywood blaster, iirc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:48:10 No.43289079 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289188 >>43289210 >>43289262

>>43289005
Blood Money Fabricate the statue first, since Simulacrum has a really long cast time.
Make a duplicate of a high-level Cleric so he can heal your STR damage away.

>>43289040
The best builds involve a dip in one or the other anyhow, but Psion and Wilder still crank out the largest numbers of all (and can do Sonic and Negative Energy damage, which are way less resisted anyway).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:51:38 No.43289188 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289210 >>43289309

>>43289079
>not magic jar into a high-STR body to cast the blood money
You absolute fucking pleb

As for psion and wilder, yeah, fair enough. Except for negative energy damage being less resisted, undead are common.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:52:27 No.43289209 Report Delete

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>>43288991
It's team Evil vs team Good and yeah I know it's a terrible idea but I'm trying to break into this club and it's the only game in signups right now. I was hoping to join Evil and subvert the whole thing with a ridiculously friendly character but I got shunted into Good. With the Drider.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:52:27 No.43289210 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289357 >>43289371

>>43289188
>>43289079

Does seventh path give them any ability to deal positive energy damage, too? /That's/ the one that's not resisted by much of anything at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:53:49 No.43289242 Report Delete

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>>43289040
>something less than 15% of the monster manual has OOH NOOO
>in exchange for ~35% fewer spells per day OOOH NOOO
>a 3K rod gives you 3 fireballs a day at any damage type you want OOOOH NOOOOOOOOO

A sorcere gets enough spells that even counting resistance, he can often just blast through and still be left over with more spells. Plus the "if you pick a versatile spell list, you will NEVER be unprepared" thing is a really big deal.

>>43289005
spending 3K gp to get a wizard who can firebally 3 times a day is a steal. They are perfeclty obediant, AND just as smart as you were.

>>43289005
No dm ever allows blood money at all. If he doesn't the game world just won't exist for long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:54:32 No.43289262 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289357

>>43289079
That depends a lot on GM interpretation since 1) Fabricate uses the material components to actually make the object and a GM might decide that means the final result still disappears, like unused components from Blood Money would (otherwise, it's just an infinite wealth combo since you could Fabricate diamonds from blood). 2) Simulacrum and other long-casting time spells may work just fine with Blood Money depending on whether your DM feels components are consumed at the beginning or end of the casting process.

For example, my DM decided that I can use Blood Money to supply components for Fabricate but they'll still disappear at the end of the round, making the combo useless. On the other hand, we agree that it makes sense for spell components to be used at the start of the casting process, meaning I can use Blood Money with spells regardless of how long they take to cast. I added Restoration to my spell list through shenanigans, so I just use that (powered by Blood Money) to remove most of the STR damage from using Blood Money to power more expensive spells like Simulacrum and then just deal with the single point of STR damage.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:56:02 No.43289309 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289361

>>43289188
The highest-STR simulacrum-able creature I could find is a goddamn space whale, which is the better to use for that, but yes.

Undead are just one creature type, and most other things are hurt by negative energy. What isn't hurt by it is usually hurt by Sonic damage instead, and if both of those fail you still have fire, cold, and electricity to fall back on, and if push comes to shove Psions can make Force damage serviceable a bit better than Wizards can.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:58:07 No.43289357 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289875

>>43289210
Sadly, no.

>>43289262
Blood Money in general is only ever usable in a vacuum with a pushover GM.

We're all aware that it's a silly spell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:58:16 No.43289361 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289412 >>43289413

>>43289309
>OP third party bullshit
No one cares

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:58:40 No.43289371 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289399 >>43289496

>>43289242
>wizard never has to worry about being useless in 15% of fights
>wizard doesn't have to eat 35% fewer spells
>wizard doesn't have to spend money

That, and element-immune enemies tend not to be 15% of encounters. If you're going to an elemental plane, for example, that 15% is pretty near 100% the population. And a few types of outsiders are immune to multiple damage types, like succubi. If you have to deal with a lot of enemies who happen to ignore your preferred energy type... well, your DM is probably pissed at you.

>>43289210
I still think dealing positive energy damage to living creatures is stupid. If it were healing overload like the Positive Energy plane I could understand that, but "haha this is exactly the same as healing EXCEPT IT HURTS YOU" is just dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:59:42 No.43289399 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289464

>>43289371
It's cancer. Positive energy damage is very likely dealing damage by doing horrible, awful tumor-related things to your body.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:00:06 No.43289412 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289496

>>43289361
>Blasting
>OP
>Dreamscarred Press
>Nobody cares
You came to the wrong general, motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:00:08 No.43289413 Report Delete

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>>43289361
you say that

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:01:50 No.43289464 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289548 >>43289874

>>43289399
I can accept inflicting tumors and shit, but cancer is best represented as a disease, not as HP loss. If it inflicted long-lasting debuffs or stat damage over a longer period I'd think it was less dumb, but as it is... no thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:01:53 No.43289468 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289535

How do you kill a dragon?

Rather, how do you force it to land? Assume it's at least Gargatuan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:02:57 No.43289496 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289523 >>43289547

>>43289371
my Schrodinger's wizard ALSO always has the perfect spells prepared. AND I can rest after every single fight because there is never any time pressure on anything ether. I also have all the time I need to go and get the right spells written down in my spellbook because there is a magic-mart right outside of this dungeon.

>>43289412
yea, I know. It hurts when your hugbox gets breached.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:03:38 No.43289523 Report Delete

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>>43289496
free reply

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:03:59 No.43289535 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289557

>>43289468
>Rather, how do you force it to land?
easier to actually kill it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:04:32 No.43289547 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289598

>>43289496
>yea, I know. It hurts when your hugbox gets breached.
>implying half of these threads isn't arguing
God, you're so autistic it hurts. I bet you think Fighter is a class worth playing at high levels, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:04:33 No.43289548 Report Delete

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>>43289464
Fair enough. To each his own; I personally like it, since I'm fine with the abstraction, but I can at least see your point.

I hope we get cancer-beam Kineticists in Psionics Augmented: Occult, honestly. Maybe they'll make one with debuffs and stat damage. DSP IF YOU'RE WATCHING, A LONG-TERM MAIMING BEAM WOULD BE COOL for both negative energy and positive energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:04:56 No.43289557 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289598 >>43289604 >>43289608

>>43289535
Alright. How do you kill it when it flies 120 feet above you and uses flyby attack to use its breath weapon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:06:24 No.43289598 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289650

>>43289547
>Fighter is a class worth playing at high levels
If you have a problem that can be solved by dealing a large ammount of damage with a bow, then maybe...gets kinda boring though. Especially with how autistic you have to build yourself. Monk can do it better.

>>43289557
Its a tough fight. What level are you at? Dragons are basically a moderately build sorcerer in the body of a flying beefcake. Tough nut to crack.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:06:41 No.43289604 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289650

>>43289557
Arrows. Magic. If you have neither, check this book out. http://www.archivesofnethys.com/SourceDisplay.aspx?FixedSource=Dragonslayer%27s%20Handbook

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:06:51 No.43289608 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289650

>>43289557
If it's outside its lair and flying around above you, you go into its lair and start stealing its shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:08:21 No.43289650 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289733 >>43289758 >>43289775 >>43289883

>>43289598
The party is 15. I'd rather not have them fight off a creature I myself can't figure out how to fight.

>>43289604
Not a lot of spells hit 120ft, and I'm pretty sure you're hitting at quite a far range increment with arrows, but I see what you mean.

>>43289608
Nice. Piss it off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:10:52 No.43289733 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289844

>>43289650
>Nice. Piss it off.
It'll either land in front of the entry to its lair, where you can then fight it normally, follow you into the lair, where it will have a home turf advantage but not a flight advantage probably, or you get a huge pile of loot for no effort and Teleport away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:11:24 No.43289758 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289806 >>43289844

>>43289650

If you piss it off maybe it'll get stupid and try to bite you

Or it'll keep flying outside the lair while you pack up its gold and teleport out

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:12:05 No.43289775 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289883

>>43289650
Uh, a composite longbow has a range INCREMENT of 110 feet. Shooting out to 120 is just a -2 to hit. Or if you're 10 feet tall, it's within the first increment.

And most spells can reach 120 feet at level 15. Ranges are... shit, long-range spells like fireball are 400 feet plus 40 per level, for fuck's sake, at 15 they can hit out to 1,000 feet. Medium is 100+10/level, 250 at 15. Close is 25+5/2 levels, 60 at 15. So medium or long can both reach.

tl;dr: read the fucking manual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:13:17 No.43289806 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289844 >>43289883

>>43289758
The only way this goes poorly is if its hoard chamber has a huge vaulted ceiling/cavern shape and it can fly inside it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:14:42 No.43289844 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289967

>>43289733
>>43289758

>teleportmind

>>43289806

Party fighter should be able to hit at least 25 feet above him in melee

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:15:23 No.43289864 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290141

Been reading through the spells section of the CRB, as part of a project to put all my various books spells in one spot.

Alter Self: basically gives your choice of +2 str or dex, regardless of where you start?

No line saying assign size bonuses/penalties as normal, just "small humanoid: +2 Dex; Medium humanoid: +2 Str"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:15:38 No.43289874 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289917

>>43289464
This is why I'm glad radiant and necrotic damage are things in 4e.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:15:39 No.43289875 Report Delete

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>>43289357
I wouldn't call my DM a push-over at all. He's pretty strict about what's allowed. I asked him about Blood Money though and he's cool with it, possibly because I'm already the party's crafter and could already just pawn items for profit if money was a concern. That's just my guess for his reason though. He even agreed with me that grabbing Restoration would be a great idea because I have Blood Money. I plan to use it to fuel Permanency spells, too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:15:52 No.43289883 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289917 >>43289967

>>43289650
Well at level 15 a well built martial archer, with some magical support, could probably do it well. The AC is kinda tough and it has some bullshit like teleport and wall of force, but if you deal with that you could get it down rather quickly. By this level everyone has flight 24/7 or even better things like earthglide.

An ambush with some cold spells and a decent martial archer is probably best. It's best to deal with things that can cast like a dragon with direct HP damage, as it can't really get rid of it early or easily like it can with basically any other condition. Stay spread out so if it doesn't die on the first turn it can only kill one of your party a turn at best.

In short: ambush with archer damage and long range damage spells like lightning arc.

>>43289775
be nice

>>43289806
>Thinking that flying is even an issue at level 15

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:17:25 No.43289917 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289955

>>43289874
Yeah, and they're fluffed differently than positive/negative energy.

>>43289883
don't be dumb

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:18:46 No.43289955 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43289998

>>43289917
>don't be dumb
lets hear your advice smart guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:19:09 No.43289959 Report Delete

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>>43287768
You're basically asking people to help you play a Captain Hobo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:19:20 No.43289967 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290039

>>43289883
I didn't realize it was 15th level until you mentioned it.

Aren't there some dandy Gravity-based spells/powers that will ground flying enemies anyway?

>>43289844
>Party fighter should be able to hit at least 25 feet above him in melee
Spider Climb him and have him stand on the ceiling of the cavern, problem solved.

Dragon's are best fought by spreading the fuck out anyway. That way the breath cone of death doesn't hit everyone at once, and if you're far enough apart, it can't spread its full attacks or spells around easily either.

If it's a Line type, thiugh, bunching up is a decent tactic sometimes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:20:20 No.43289998 Report Delete

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>>43289955
Again? Get a bow. Get spells. Get flight. Presto, range problems solved. Unless there's other problems not yet mentioned that should do fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:21:54 No.43290039 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290114

>>43289967
>Aren't there some dandy Gravity-based spells/powers that will ground flying enemies anyway?
just have people who can't fly drink a potion of flight. It's not even expensive.

Then have someone dimension-door all of your heavy hitters into melee range and murder the ugly thing. A bit riskier than the long range version but you have a higher chance of keeping it from teleporting away.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:24:23 No.43290114 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290160 >>43290177

>>43290039
Isn't Communal or Mass Fly or Overland Flight and thing at 15th too?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:25:29 No.43290141 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290184 >>43290366

>>43289864
Polymorph spells would be really obnoxious if they applied all the changes appropriate to changing your size category, so they don't do that. Instead, you just get exactly what the spells says you get and nothing else (for example, you won't take a bonus/penalty to your CMB and CMD based on your new size category if you use something like Monstrous Physique spells). Yes, that means that if your medium-sized character uses Alter Self to assume the form of a different medium-sized humanoid, he gets +2 STR.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:25:49 No.43290152 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290232 >>43290251 >>43290478

Can a well-built Zweihander Sentinel in the hands of a vaguely competent individual reliably kill a Linnorm in single combat at level 15?

Lots of martials can't at the same level, but I never considered the Zweihander until just now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:26:08 No.43290160 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290114
>Overland Flight
personal only
but yes to the rest. This fight really depends on your characters and their builds, as some level 15 parties just end every encounter, while others die to things like scary golem in a cave.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:26:32 No.43290177 Report Delete

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>>43290114

At level 15, barbarians can fly, fighters can fly (mutation warrior), monks can teleport + full attack or flamy punch from 250 feet away (half fire damage though so not so great vs a red dragon)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:26:54 No.43290184 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290214 >>43290239 >>43290251

>>43290141
>MFW an at-will Alter Self spell in the race builder is basically a permanent +2STR

>Costs less than an actual +2 to Str

PAIZO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:27:53 No.43290214 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290260 >>43290288 >>43290340

>>43290184
Starting with +10 INT is basically 12 race points. It's fundamentally stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:28:18 No.43290232 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290287

>>43290152
Maybe, but it'd probably be a tough fight. Especially since they can just fly around and breath weapon you to death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:28:25 No.43290239 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290184

Doesn't stack with any other size bonus to str though

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:29:06 No.43290251 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290152
It would depend very heavily on carefully selecting Stances and Counters as well as equipment bent toward fighting dragons, but yes.

Fortunately, most dragons (Linnorms included) have large numbers of attacks, but each is relatively weak; ergo, DR works extremely well against them, so obtaining even a small amount is highly useful.

>>43290184
Size bonus and Polymorph effect. Doesn't stack with other Size bonuses and is removed if another Polymorph is used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:29:22 No.43290260 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290371

>>43290214
>+10 to Int is balanced
>paizo
Yep, seems about right for caster edition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:30:08 No.43290287 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290325 >>43290349 >>43290437

>>43290232
>Especially since they can just fly around and breath weapon you to death.

>Turtle General's Stance
>Halved movement, but shield automatically blocks line and cone effects, +2 AC to shield bonus.

Dragon is now forced to land and fight on your terms.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:30:09 No.43290288 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290310

>>43290214
Explain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:31:25 No.43290310 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290371

>>43290288

Advanced gives you a +4 to an ability score (Intelligence) for 4 RP.

Advanced Intelligence is a Racial Trait worth 4 RP that gives you a +2 to an ability score, they can stack.

Ergo, Advanced, Advanced Intelligence (2) equals 12 RP and gives +10 Intelligence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:31:45 No.43290325 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290349 >>43290378

>>43290287
>using a shield
>laughing girls.tiff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:32:19 No.43290340 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290371 >>43290399

>>43290214

>2 RP = +4 int, -2 cha, -2 str
>4 RP = +2 int
>5 RP = +2 int
>6 RP = +2 int
>17 RP = +10 int
???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:32:43 No.43290349 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290376 >>43290437

>>43290287
See, this is why PoW is good. High level scaling.

>>43290325
Zweisentinel treats their weapon as a shield.

And PoW can make shields serviceable anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:33:14 No.43290366 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290141
>Two spells later
>Animal Growth
>Description lists full size change bonuses and penalties.
>And rules for a creature receiving the benefit in too small of a space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:33:32 No.43290371 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290310
Even if Advanced Intelligence cost the same every time you bought it... anon, 4+2+2 equals 8. And it costs more to buy Advanced Stat more than once.

See >>43290340

>>43290260
It actually doesn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:33:44 No.43290376 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290446

>>43290349
>PoW

Oh, it's third party shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:33:45 No.43290378 Report Delete

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>>43290325

Dude, a valiant warrior blocking dragonfire with their shield is one of the most iconic images in fiction.

And now you're actually able to do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:34:35 No.43290399 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290486

>>43290340
17 race points. Sorry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:36:15 No.43290437 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290453 >>43290523

>>43290287
>>43290349

Is there a maneuver that forces an enemy to land and engage?

Also
>Sanguine Barrier
>Iron Shell

Congratulations, you have just blocked two attacks per round using a Tier 1 and Tier 2 Counter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:36:39 No.43290446 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290527 >>43290592

>>43290376
...Yes. And except at VERY early levels, is still very solidly Tier 3.

Initiators are still much worse at anything that isn't combat than nearly any caster, but unlike Fighter, etc. They don't have to jump through extreme hoops to be useful in combat at high levels, and can do more than "I full attack" in combat.

Seriously, it's better than anything Paizo has put out in half a decade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:37:00 No.43290453 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290437

There's a mid-high-level one in Expanded that teleports them onto your sword, iirc. Unsure about others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:38:21 No.43290478 Report Delete

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>>43290152
Without a secondary specialization in ranged attacks, absolutely not. The Linnorm can just choose to never engage in melee combat, or fuck you up by just taking your weapons with its massive CMB advantage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:38:34 No.43290483 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291722

>>43287974

Can we delve further into this?

So how does Spellslinger work with Spell Combat and Spellstrike exactly?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:38:37 No.43290486 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290399
Which is close to Aasimar, but 10 INT is still way better than anything Ass Marts have to offer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:40:03 No.43290523 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290621

>>43290437
Antagonize? It does force the target to fight you, so it could work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:40:12 No.43290527 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290551 >>43290580 >>43290779

>>43290446

>Spellcasters are too powerful
>Martials are too weak
>Let's turn martials into spellcasters
>???
>Genius!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:40:56 No.43290551 Report Delete

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>>43290527
What are you even talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:41:23 No.43290563 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290620

Would obscuring mist work to help put out a fire? Fire magic trumps obscuring mist but non magic fire does nothing to it. Would a massive area of magic perspiration(if angled correctly) aid in the dousing of a flame?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:42:07 No.43290580 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290527
>judging something you know nothing about
K.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:42:17 No.43290582 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>people still take this bait

It's always hilarious when /pfg/ tries to act like functioning human beings. Just shoot yourselves now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:42:32 No.43290592 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290616 >>43290687

>>43290446
>...Yes. And except at VERY early levels, is still very solidly Tier 3.
what is it at very early levels

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:43:16 No.43290616 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290687

>>43290592
Punching 2-3 CRs above its weight class with one-rounding-levels of damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:43:28 No.43290620 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290563
Spells do what their descriptions say they do. Nothing less, nothing more. Anything beyond that is GM territory only, and because of that, we can't fairly answer your question.

I'm sure people will do it anyway though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:43:28 No.43290621 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290658

>>43290523

This is perfect since I'm going for a character with Armiger's Mark (forces them to engage in melee against you) *and* lots of Intimidate.

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:43:47 No.43290627 Report Delete

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>>43288726

What about School of the Gun? Which schools should be forsaken?

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Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:45:00 No.43290658 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290673 >>43290745

>>43290621
(Should've added to this, damn)

Besides Viking Blood, what is a must-have trait if I'm playing an archetypal Ulfen that you'd consider actually useful?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:45:35 No.43290673 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290745 >>43291169

>>43290658
be like every other faggot and take reactionary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:45:59 No.43290687 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290751 >>43290881

>>43290616
That's only if you use the problem child disciplines and optimize your face off.

>>43290592
They have a much higher optimization threshold than non-initiator martials, and early levels are where direct damage is most effective without effort, so they tend to come on strong.

You can intentionally avoid the stronger options to make a more reasonable character without ruining higher level viability though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:48:12 No.43290745 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291169

>>43290658
>>43290673
Be slightly less of a faggot and take Paragon of Speed!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:48:39 No.43290751 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290823

>>43290687

No, it's a problem if you use any of the discs with cheap early damage. Elemental Flux does it too. Most of the PoW E discs don't otherwise, though, iirc.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:49:49 No.43290779 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290823 >>43290824 >>43290919 >>43291280

>>43290527
I am going to, with what I must confess is rather extraordinary reluctance, presume that this post is in good faith, and ask you, anon-what-wrote-this, if you'd like to have an earnest dialogue about it while you've got a member of the design team right here.

It's been kind of a shit night, /pfg/. Please. Please let this be a serious post that I can have a serious, honest-to-god conversation with/about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:51:51 No.43290823 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43290856

>>43290751
I've found that counters and movement boosts are actually way more important at early levels. Death occurs really quickly at 1-4th, and normal attacks are still sufficient damage output at that point anyway.

>>43290779
It's bait, don't take it, for your own sake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:51:51 No.43290824 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290779
>Gareth using the reaction images we threw at him

Yay!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:52:52 No.43290856 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291011

>>43290823
>
I agree. Doesn't mean that the issues aren't still there. I enjoy the game a /lot/ more when focusing low level counters instead of strikes, because as you said, normal attacks are good enough at that point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:53:39 No.43290881 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43290687
oh I see. Yeah I tried to avoid the +whatever damage on his effects as much as I could

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:54:54 No.43290919 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291108

>>43290779
What's your favorite 2e monster?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:56:42 No.43290957 Report Delete

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>>43280998
>>43280924
So I talked to my DM and he justifiably shot it down. In that case, how're Blight Druids anyway? Fun? Any tips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 23:58:05 No.43291011 Report Delete

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>>43290856
Counters are also really helpful when protecting the squishier allies that don't have at-will defense of their own yet, like Wizards, who while being all-powerful and all-knowing are rather slow to take off much of the time.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:01:53 No.43291108 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291296 >>43291333 >>43291416

>>43290919
The Mist Ferryman, followed closely by the Strahd Zombie & the Erinyes, in no particular order.

As far as unique monsters from 2e go, I've always had a soft spot for the Headless Horseman & Ebonbane.

(Noticing a theme?)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:04:15 No.43291169 Report Delete

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>>43290673
>>43290745

I decided to settle on Extremely Fashionable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:08:45 No.43291280 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291475

>>43290779
I am currently trying to make your night better, Gareth.
Goddammit why is it so hard to write other people's characters? I always feel like I'm second-guessing myself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:09:17 No.43291296 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291416 >>43291475

>>43291108
Gareth, I just want to say.
PoW is objectively the best way to play a guardian/protector type character in Pathfinder, hands down, and anyone who doesn't think so is a Big Weenie and can't come into the Salty Spitoon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:10:43 No.43291333 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291475

>>43291108
Nice. Pretty good taste. And yeah, BDSM women seem to be your thing. Outsiders trapped for centuries, seductive demons, a detachable head, and.... well, I guess the zombie is really into moaning?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:12:28 No.43291375 Report Delete

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>>43280042
>Why Can't I Hold All These Siege Weapons Edition

You're not trying hard enough.
>Multiclass Siege Mage (Evocation or Transmutation Build) / Construct Rider (Crafting Build)
>Get a Large construct companion
>Get Craft Construct, Magic Arms and Armor and Wondrous Items
>Permanency Enlarge and Overland Flight on your companion
>Build Magic Weapons on it.
>Craft Construct to make 2HD servants as loading crew.

I managed to make a hovercraft elephant-tank that had 1 large cannon for a trunk, 2 ballistas for Tusks, a canopy so I can ride inside safely, several secret loader arms to reload each siege weapon and due to Siege Mage's class feature, I could aim and fire using my mind.

Bonus: Due to Siege Mage and Alchemist class features, my cannons can fire spells that carried an extra bomb damage payload and had incredible accuracy.

Pretty sure you can make a gundam as well if you crafted your own Siege Golem

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:14:41 No.43291416 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291612

>>43291296
This. I can't wait to play a knight-disciple when I get the chance.

>>43291108
Neat. I always liked the Kalothagh, myself. Not sure why. It's just great.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:15:46 No.43291441 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCampaign/kingdomsAndWar/massCombat.html

Small army of Myrmidons (Fighter archetype) vs small army of Warders. The Myrmidons might do more damage, but the Warders are harder to kill.

Who survives?

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:16:57 No.43291475 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291536 >>43291734

>>43291333
The zombie I liked because fighting it felt like fighting zombies in cartoons & movies. Remember, my 2e days were very young - I played Ravenloft between the ages of 7 and 13 in 2e, played 2e on and off for two years thereafter with scatterings of 3e, before finally upgrading to 3e proper (these timetables may not be wholly accurate, as my sense of dates is shit). Every time I fought normal zombies I was like, "But all I did was hack off its head, it shouldn't be /dead/ from that."

AND THEN STRAHD ZOMBIES COME ALONG, AND MY TINY NERD RAGE WAS APPEASED.

>>43291280
This exact feel is why I gave up writing fanfic involving anyone else's characters. Godspeed, anon, and I promise honest critique when we get to that stage. Not sure how we'll handle that without breaking blue board rules but if it comes down to it we can meet over IRC or via gmail or some shit.

>>43291296
I 'preciate the love, anon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:19:33 No.43291536 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291566 >>43291586 >>43291612

>>43291475
>Godspeed, anon, and I promise honest critique when we get to that stage.

G-Gareth... I think that's the guy writing the smut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:20:27 No.43291566 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291536
>Not sure how we'll handle that without breaking blue board rules
I think he knows, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:21:10 No.43291586 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291536
He's going to critique it like a Dwarven Waraxe.
one-handed.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:22:14 No.43291612 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291649 >>43291670

>>43291536
I know who it is. D'ya think that just because it's smut it doesn't deserve honest & thoughtful critique? Anon's working hard on it. Writing erotic content has challenges of its own that deserve acknowledgement and respect.

>>43291416
Ah yes, the mer-manticore. Good times, good times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:23:30 No.43291649 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291612
>D'ya think that just because it's smut it doesn't deserve honest & thoughtful critique?

No, the critique needs to be filthy, inconsistent and finish with an unsatisfying mess of incoherent ramblings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:24:13 No.43291670 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291734 >>43291931

>>43291612
stop being weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:26:27 No.43291722 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291833

>>43290483
The same as usual, except you can get some nice boost to the spell DC. There's not much to say really.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:26:45 No.43291734 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291931

>>43291670
Go away, Virt.
>>43291475
>all this sincere and pleasant honesty
I-I won't let you down, Gareth-senpai!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:27:26 No.43291752 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291913

>>43288281

Any help on rounding out this party? When PvP comes I'll roll with the inevitable terribleness but til then I need a niche.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:31:15 No.43291833 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291722

So you spell combat, casting from the gun, fire the spell, and the gun, then spellstrike shooting the gun and spell?

Not sure I fully understand how spell combat and spellstrike work together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:31:56 No.43291848 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291899 >>43291912

So I'm building an unarmed fighter currently, and my big issue is that my to-hit isn't high enough to reliably pull off this build. Is there some way to boost it without spending a lot on an AoMF or taking a lot of feats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:33:47 No.43291899 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291960 >>43292329

>>43291848
Broken Blade.

>I don't use PoW
Suicide is a more pleasant option than non-PoW unarmed fighter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:34:23 No.43291912 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43291960

>>43291848
At least use unchained monk

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:34:29 No.43291913 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291752
Maybe Alchemist? You can heal people, buff people, heal yourself, buff yourself, fight in a duplicate body and let the rest of the party PvP to death before showing up with a small army, initiate PvP with bomb-laced infusions, or more.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:35:09 No.43291931 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291670
...No?

>>43291734
Honestly I'm flattered that anything's happening at all. I'm sure you'll do just fine, anon. Though unless it gets posted in the next hour and a half I may need to read it tomorrow morning (forgive me if I've mistaken your earlier 'trying to make your night better'; it sounded like you were close to done with enough to present).

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:35:10 No.43291933 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292023 >>43292041 >>43292049 >>43292052 >>43292061 >>43292071 >>43292365

What's this bullshit I hear about there being plans for no initiator mech archetypes, but an archetype for the fucking DRUID?

I've been waiting a long time for my veiled moon/black seraph Anubis Mech, DSP, don't try and fuck me on this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:36:35 No.43291960 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291899
I can use PoW, but I don't want to. The build works without the to-hit boost, just not as well against heavily armored enemies.

>>43291912
It's a Brawler, calling it an unarmed fighter was probably not the best way to put it.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:39:16 No.43292023 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291933
I think you meant veiled moon/shattered mirror

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:40:01 No.43292041 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291933
>baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw
>baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw
>baaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwww

Someone call an ambulance for this anal hemorrhaging

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:40:28 No.43292049 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291933
Honestly, it feels like the initiators don't really have much that could be given up for a mech.

... Wait, no, I take that back. I would be willing to have a full initiator drop down to the 1-6 Archetype Maneuver Progression in exchange for a mech. They'd still be able to Advanced Study and stuff, and would still get maneuvers and their core identity class features, but that's probably enough power lost to toss a mech to them without any other nerfs at all, if we measure by the archetypes we've seen.

Personally, I think that any full casters getting mechs should be dropped to a Bard-like progression as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:40:38 No.43292052 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43291933
There's feat access to bonded mechs and non-class feature mechs. You're going to be fine.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:41:18 No.43292061 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292146

>>43291933
Downtime god, I say this with /considerable/ reluctance, but your best bet - especially considering your personal investment in the project - is going to be to join the discussions on it on Giantitp and/or the Paizo boards. Right now there's some debate as to the goal and direction of the book, and I feel like your voice should be heard there in the debate.

Relevant: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t0qt&page=2?Dreamscarred-Press-Presents-Arcforge#70

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?452172-Dreamscarred-Press-Presents-quot-Arcforge-Technology-Expanded-quot&p=19987268&viewfull=1#post19987268

I will remind you that both forums are much more heavily moderated, however, and that a certain amount of...professionalism...will be required if you choose to make that leap. Best of luck, my friend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:41:21 No.43292063 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292076 >>43292084 >>43292089

Why the fuck are there even mechs at all?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:42:05 No.43292071 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292102

>>43291933
>What's this bullshit I hear about there being plans for no initiator mech archetypes, but an archetype for the fucking DRUID?

>Why isn't DSP catering to me and my very specific interests
>Why are they making an archetype for a core class when they should be catering to me and my very specific interests
>Baww you guys suck for not catering to me and my very specific interests

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:42:20 No.43292076 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292063
seriously...doesn't make any sense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:42:39 No.43292084 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292106

>>43292063
Sci-fi and sci-fi esque content has been a part of D&D since 1e.

Stop being dumb.

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA

MisplacedParrot !hhIYrb.ULA Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:43:02 No.43292089 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292063
Why would there not be mechs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:43:32 No.43292102 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292140

>>43292071
I think it's mostly that DSP has pointedly avoiding giving full casters and the Tier 1s stuff for their recent cool books, and this is a weird departure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:43:56 No.43292106 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292142

>>43292084
Why are you getting defensive about mechs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:46:34 No.43292140 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292151

>>43292102

While that's most certainly something to consider and worthy of criticism, the resident tripfag is not whining about that, he is whining about the lack of mech initiator archetypes which is something I guarantee most people don't even know existed, much less is something they can implement in their campaigns.

Which is pretty fucking petty.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:46:40 No.43292142 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292154

>>43292106
Why are you getting upset about mechs existing?

It's a splatbook from a 3PP, it's not like anyone's demanding you include them. I'd even agree that they don't fit in the vast majority of campaigns; but having it exist for those that do is far better than it not.

I'd get defensive about any circumstance where somebody tried to tell someone else how to have fun. It's autistic as fuck.

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:46:53 No.43292146 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292061
Time to fire up my old account, I suppose.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:47:26 No.43292151 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292140

Fair enough. I just want both. Or an initiator PrC, if they don't want to make archetypes. DSP is actually willing to write PrCs, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:47:36 No.43292153 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292223 >>43292335

Mythic Champion Monk seems pretty fuckin' good.

Player I've got absolutely dominates any encounter in which combat is involved. Seriously, he's doing more straight damage than everyone else in the party combined.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:47:40 No.43292154 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292186

>>43292142
Who said I'm upset about mechs existing? Are you making assumptions?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:49:33 No.43292186 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292154
virt pls go

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:51:38 No.43292223 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292330

>>43292153
I think the other party members are probably just unoptimized, anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:56:53 No.43292329 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293145

>>43291899
Suicide IS the option you chose for an unarmed fighter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:57:04 No.43292330 Report Delete

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>>43292223
I think it's less that the rest of the party didn't optimize and more of a he optimized really hard.

Even still, his stuff's pretty basic. Monk's robes treats his unarmed damage as five levels higher, he has mythic weapon finesse and around 30 Dex, and he now has Titan Strike, meaning his unarmed strike is treated as if he was one size category larger.

The Wizard really doesn't even have to support him aside from maybe throwing up a Haste, Monk's saves are so damn good at this point that he succeeds on just about everything, even having enough AC to facetank most stuff.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:57:24 No.43292335 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292348

>>43292153
>direct damage is da best
>I am DMing
Please die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:58:09 No.43292348 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292335
>being unable to read
>2015

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:59:01 No.43292365 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292525 >>43292673 >>43292779

>>43291933
>Druid Initiator archetype.
>Swift Wildshape into a Tiger doing Tiger style martial arts

Holy Shit. muh Bloody Roar nostalgia.

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:09:27 No.43292525 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292677 >>43292706 >>43292779 >>43292814

ITT: People complaining about people complaining.

But honestly, I keep my dealings with DSP playfully aggressive because it keeps us both on our toes, I'm angry at the missed opportunity, not the people.

Also helps that I've got 17 or so of the chuckle-fucks in this thread in two groups a week that I DM for using the rules they need playtested and I play in a third, also using almost all of DSP's content.

If you haven't cottoned-on to my role as grumpy company hanger-on who lives in the loft, then you're the reason why I have to explain the joke.

>>43292365
Beastorizer, tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:16:56 No.43292673 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292824 >>43292825 >>43292873 >>43292904 >>43292961 >>43293092

>>43292365
Paizo really dropped the ball on not introducing more Hybrid classes.

A Druid-Monk would be cool. Like a sagely hermit who perfected the Crane Style after mimicking the actions of his Crane animal companion.

A Divine Caster-Barbarian would have been good too. Something like a Zealot or Fanatic that gains Rage through devotion with their deity.

Wizard-Rogue to bring back 3e's Arcane Trickster PrC

Paladin-Monk would be a cool ascetic flavored wandering mystics from Chinese movies that hunts down demons, dispels curses and exorcises evil spirits.

And Alchemist-Barbarian if you want to be a big guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:17:03 No.43292677 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293000

>>43292525
>100% concentrated autism
>thinking you have an actual role

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:18:50 No.43292706 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293000

>>43292525

>whines about not getting his way
>gets called out on it
>defends his whining by implying he's "more important" than just another anon

Why can't you just stop digging that hole?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:22:43 No.43292779 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292825 >>43292843 >>43292891

>>43292365
>>43292525
I think the druid archetype was gonna make a tree-mech.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:24:31 No.43292814 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293000

>>43292525

It's amazing how some tripfags go sour with an inflated sense of importance while others do not.

It's very obviously time you get rid of the name and go back to being anon, dude. This is just embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:24:54 No.43292824 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293092

>>43292673
>Druid-Monk
>Animal Form benefits from Monk's increase natural damage die.
I think I yes'd entirely too hard

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:24:54 No.43292825 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292673
>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedClassGuide/designingClasses.html

They left instructions for people how to do it on their own. They also had archetypes.

>>43292779

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:25:39 No.43292843 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292779
We Tannanliel now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:27:15 No.43292873 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292922

>>43292673
>Alchemist-Barbarian if you want to be a big guy

I made an Alchemist homebrew for that:

Mutagen now functions similar to Rage.

You can trade away your Alchemist Discovery for a Rage Power or a Combat Feat

Rage Powers and Alchemist Discoveries only work when you take a Mutagen

Remove Poison Use and Poison Immunities.

Remove Greater Discoveries, Trade it for Greater Rage

Use formulae table from Bloodrager spell table.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:28:35 No.43292891 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292925

>>43292779
Can I shape change as a Raccoon while piloting my Tree Mech?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:29:11 No.43292904 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292673

It hurts that there aren't ways to keep yourself continually pumped with a performance enhancer, I wanna be the (big) guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:30:10 No.43292922 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43292989

>>43292873
Oh, and Bomb damage is decreased by one damage die for balance and generally just if you want to see the fire rise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:30:26 No.43292925 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292891
Rite Publishing's Henge have a raccoon variant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:32:10 No.43292961 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292673
>Paladin-Monk would be a cool ascetic flavored wandering mystics from Chinese movies that hunts down demons, dispels curses and exorcises evil spirits.

I want this. I wanna be Genjo Sanzo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:33:24 No.43292989 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293024

>>43292922
>bomb damage is decreased by an average of 1
>damage dice are usually irrelevant anyway
oh noooooooo

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:33:58 No.43293000 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293042 >>43293258

>>43292677
>>43292706
>>43292814
Really folks? /Really/? Lay off it. I might not always agree with DTG's points or desires but the dude provides good data in an easily-comprehensible format and if he wants to contribute to the discussion then I wanna make that happen for him - and for /anyone else with something to say/.

DSP has plenty of folks who influence design by being handy, around, and interested. Contributing is not hard to do. There's no need to shit up this nice civil thread, aight? Much appreciated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:35:09 No.43293024 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43292989
Well, you'd have to juggle between discoveries or rage powers so you can't have it all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:36:23 No.43293042 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293153

>>43293000
>I wanna make that happen for him - and for /anyone else with something to say/.
>/anyone else with something to say/.
>N-not you though!

Also, there's such a thing as having a valid point and being such an insufferable douchebag that it's wasted. Tone matters.

>There's no need to shit up this nice civil thread
>What's this bullshit I hear about there being plans for no initiator mech archetypes, but an archetype for the fucking DRUID?
>I've been waiting a long time for my veiled moon/black seraph Anubis Mech, DSP, don't try and fuck me on this.
>nice
>civil

Nice double standards there m8

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:36:40 No.43293046 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293060 >>43293085 >>43293087 >>43293113

How do I 'Tip of the Spear' /pfg/?
pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:37:33 No.43293060 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43293046
place ponos in vageen

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:39:01 No.43293085 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43293046
Aegis/Soulknife/Metaforge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:39:06 No.43293087 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293404

>>43293046
War Soul. Sleeping Goddess and Broken Blade or Veiled Moon.

Alternatively -10 HP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:39:21 No.43293092 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293150

>>43292673
>>43292824
I'm thinking of working on this. What should such a class receive?
>Bonus [Style] feats that they can ignore any prerequisite other than the previous [Style] feats as they level
>Animal Companion
>Mid-casting (as a Bard or Magus)
>Wildshape, but only into bestial forms
>Improved unarmed/natural weapon damage as they level

Is that sounding good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:40:17 No.43293113 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293170 >>43293233 >>43293349

>>43293046
The Toss are pretty much every psionic class, with no exceptions.

Their Archons are pretty much Aegis/PsyArms

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:42:03 No.43293145 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293171

>>43292329

Unarmed fighter is viable, even in 1PP

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:42:23 No.43293150 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293222

>>43293092
Special rule: Your wildshape and animal companion are based on your style feats. If you chose the Tiger style, you get a big cat animal companion and can only wildshape as a tiger, etc.

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:42:28 No.43293153 Report Delete

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>>43293042
Brah, the links'll take you to the discussion thread just as easily as they took him. I can't make an account for you. Well, I /can/, but then two accounts on the same IP will get detected and both will be banned so fast my head'd spin.

And yeah, civil. I dunno if you've noticed or not but I'm a bit swear-happy myself. DTG's not been out of line when addressing me or the staff whatsoever, even considering how wide 'the line' is here on /tg/ (that is, so wide that I'd have to make a yo mama joke to fully encompass its sheer mind-altering size). If I or anyone else on the staff have an issue with how he's addressing us we'll damn well let him know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:43:10 No.43293170 Report Delete

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>>43293113

The Munavri are the Protoss, aren't they.

They even got the Khala.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:43:12 No.43293171 Report Delete

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>>43293145
Not particularly, since you don't get scaling damage or the ability to break through magic/alignment/material DR like a Monk can.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:44:21 No.43293196 Report Delete

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We always talk about the best places to live on Golarion, but what are the best places to die?

Where would your character want their grave/tomb/crypt/mausoleum to be?

>dying ever

All things must end eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:45:37 No.43293222 Report Delete

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>>43293150
I'm not sure I'd include that caveat, since what if you choose style feats that don't have an animal-connection, like Archon or Dragon Style?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:46:12 No.43293233 Report Delete

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>>43293113
>Archons
>not minmaxed Psion / Aegis

Remember those things are big and hit hard but aren't built for taking blows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:47:13 No.43293255 Report Delete

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>>43293222
Archon is medium elemental
Dragon is pseudodragon

Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0

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Downtime God !!e7mAm/4WzB0 Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:47:17 No.43293258 Report Delete

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Are people really insinuating that I don't realise I'm a rampaging, ego-maniacal dick?

I'm a trip-fag who's not a company rep, so it's WHY I trip fag.

I'm like a drunk uncle: I'm not here because you wanted me here, I'm here because I'm dosed full of painkillers and I'm waiting for my torrent of "Salute to the Jugger" to finish, so I'm looking for ways to burn time.

>>43293000
Almost certainly more praise than I deserve, but I am glad that the info I do pass on is of use and I am very grateful for your kind words.

"Easily comprehensible" may be strong terms, but if my format works for you I'm glad to hear it.

In any case I plan on running a full mundane build using steelforge fairly soon, I'll keep you posted on that.

Mechs I'm still getting to grips with but I've given my players a Dragonmech Ashigaru mech as loot and we'll see how it stacks up VS Ssalarn's work fairly soon, since I believe someone is retraining into one of his archetypes soon.

These two groups I've got going will work every angle these rules have until I start getting complaints from the anti-lewd faction here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:48:36 No.43293282 Report Delete

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>>43293196

There is an Ulfen settlement in Arcadia that is where every old hero or king goes to die, the place is seen even by people living there as the afterlife. Honestly? That place is good enough.

There's also a graveyard in the Land of the Linnorm Kings zealously guarded by a Silver Dragon, she seems like a pretty chill type to give your body to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:48:50 No.43293283 Report Delete

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>>43293171
Actually have a look at the Brawler Fighter's damage scaling. Using unarmed attacks, it's only a little bit under the Monk's on average, and a lot less swingy.

Add in that that bonus is to Close Weapons, not just unarmed, which lets you enjoy things like Cesti and their 19-20 crit range while still being a punchdude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:50:12 No.43293309 Report Delete

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>>43293258

Best part is tripfagging means it's easier to filter you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:51:27 No.43293337 Report Delete

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>>43293309
Part of me gets the feeling he could not possibly give less of an unbridled shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:51:52 No.43293349 Report Delete

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>>43293113
Lets see:
Zeratul - Warsoul with Veiled Moon
Kaldaris - Warsoul with Sleeping Goddess
Artanis - Psion / Tactician
Tassadar - Gifted PsyArm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:54:30 No.43293404 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43293438 >>43293463

>>43293087
>That spoiler

I haven't played the latest game but did the bro-est of the protoss really die?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:56:51 No.43293438 Report Delete

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>>43293404
Only if he has 10 CON or less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:58:01 No.43293456 Report Delete

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>Level up after first session (Admittedly, a session of about 9 hours)
>The gestalt initiator-manifester sheet I spent the better part of a week tweaking on and off must now be heavily updated again

Mixed feelings.
But overall good ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:58:29 No.43293463 Report Delete

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>>43293404

You mean Fenix? The guy Kerrigan killed and Raynor never avenged?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 01:58:59 No.43293474 Report Delete

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>>43293438
>survived through SC1, The Brood Wars, The Mengsk ambush and Kerrigan
>10 CON

bruh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:01:04 No.43293513 Report Delete

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>>43293474
Share Pain to Psicrystal is a motherfucker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:04:15 No.43293572 Report Delete

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>>43293474
And unlike other SC characters, this guy preferred fighting face to face instead of in the safety of a vehicle, behind a line of troops, hiding with a hundred illusions or being the maryest of sues (looking at you Kerrigan).

Gareth !klGnb3zBKk

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:06:41 No.43293613 Report Delete

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Okay /pfg/, I've gotta hit the bed. Will field questions in about five and a half hours when I wake up, grab a brush & put a little make-up, etc, etc.

Be well, folks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:06:51 No.43293617 Report Delete

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>>43293572
Oh, just go on and stat up the Protoss as a race like we all know you wanna.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:08:59 No.43293646 Report Delete

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>>43293572
>this guy preferred fighting face to face instead of in the safety of a vehicle

Lets be fair to the lore.
The Protoss' main force were always zealots.
Those who are in Dragoons, Carriers and other vehicles were previous zealots whose bodies are so heavily broken that the only way they can continue fighting is by lodging their bodies into mechanical shells.

Honestly, its pretty badass as a culture of psionically attuned traditionalist warriors

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:13:51 No.43293740 Report Delete

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>>43293617
>Not stating Kerrigan

I think she's pretty much an Aberant Aegis / Psion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:15:40 No.43293773 Report Delete

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>>43293613
Just one question Gareth:
Can a mind blade stay indefinitely lodged in an enemy if it has the Anchoring enhancement and will only dissipate if the weapon is dislodged?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:21:48 No.43293860 Report Delete

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>>43293513
>Their Psicrystal is actually a Pylon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 05:43:21 No.43294119 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43294153

What's the best class for healing? 3pp is allowed

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 05:50:00 No.43294153 Report Delete

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>>43294119
Vitalist most likely, particularly with a conductive weapon.

That said, though, "Healing" is a terrible idea for specializing into, A support role is fine but shoehorning yourself into a specific type of support is a bad idea, given there are myriad sorts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 05:53:36 No.43294177 Report Delete

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>>43294153
What goes well with healing then? What sort of stuff do vitalists do?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:12:33 No.43294307 Report Delete

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Any plans for a Psion Mech-pilot?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:27:57 No.43294410 Report Delete

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>Access to a new maneuver level gained
>There's that one maneuver in a previous level you really want but you feel it would be a waste to take a lower level maneuver than you're able to

'Only two maneuvers of each level' limit in standard initiator progression is suffering

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:38:02 No.43294461 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43294709

>>43294410
No, that's called actually having to make choices and what separates balanced material like Psions and Initiators against filthy fucking Wizards and Clerics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:15:43 No.43294709 Report Delete

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>>43294461

Actually no, I've just realized it's okay because I'm gestalted with a manifester class and so can just Psychic Reformation away any regretful choices in downtime.

It doesn't explicitly say you can rechoose gained maneuvers but I think it's well within the spirit of its capability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:18:14 No.43294729 Report Delete

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New thread:
>>43294723
>>43294723
>>43294723
>>43294723

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 09:27:16 No.43295531 Report Delete

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>>43286546
I had long had VOTOMS in 720 subbed via a torrent years ago, as well as the ovas.

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