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Why is immortality bad?

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:36:05 No.43296007 View Reply Report Delete

Why is immortality almost always vilified /tg/?

Outside of "yer born a god", anytime someone tries to get immortality it is either

1. A villain who wants to be a god/god like
2. "ALL MY LOVED ONES ARE GONNA DIE"
3. "Mortals are suppose to not live forever!".
4. Transhumanism is fucked up

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:38:55 No.43296026 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296079 >>43296086

It's because everytime it has ever been brought up before in most people's lives, it's always portrayed as a bad thing, so people get the sense that it's some common knowledge or universal wisdom that immortality would suck dick, and so they regurgitate the arguments they've heard before even if they don't make any sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:39:30 No.43296035 Report Delete

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>>43296007

Real talk: Death is approximately the very worst thing that happens. It is also completely unavoidable, which makes people feel bad. To avoid feeling bad, they double-think themselves into all kinds of reasons why death isn't "all that bad" anyway. Like, it gives meaning to life or some shit like that. Which you just HAVE to believe, or you'll be reminded how terrible death truly is.

So when some nigger shows up all "Yo I'm never going to die and it is AMAZING," people immediately feel super bad, and it's that guy's fault. Not death's, never death's, death is great, gives meaning to life etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:41:49 No.43296049 Report Delete

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>>43296035

this.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:43:15 No.43296063 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298473

What are you talking about, immortality is great.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:43:20 No.43296064 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296154

>>43296035
>implying life needs meaning for death to not be all that bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:45:33 No.43296079 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296106

>>43296026
and of course you know the truth that its actually great for some petty reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:45:59 No.43296086 Report Delete

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>>43296007
>>43296026
>>43296035
It is impossible for humans to actually realize the downsides of immortality.
At the end, anything to be gained from it would be countered by the deleterious effects it would have on a mind that isn't designed to cope with it.
You wouldn't be able to have immortality, you'd need to have immortality + (these other things that allow you to remain functioning).
Anyway, OP, this is sorta a silly thread. If you haven't figured out why it can be seen as an unfortunate thing, you may be damaged yourself, and thus would never understand to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:47:13 No.43296099 Report Delete

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>all these naive transhuman fags

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:47:48 No.43296106 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296354

>>43296079
Not really, but you don't know it's bad
>>43296086
>It's impossible to know the downsides
>But I know the downsides and they suck guise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:48:34 No.43296113 Report Delete

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>>43296086

Re-read what he wrote. He knows why it can be considered a bad thing, he was asking why it was so uncommon for it to be presented as a good thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:50:25 No.43296130 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297499

>>43296007
Most arguments revolve around the concept that the people you know and love are going to die at some point, thus leaving you alone (which is bullshit because the method that made you immortal could also make them immortal, and if simply losing your loved ones makes life meaningless, we already have that without immortality.
The real problem is remembering anything of note over the course of millennia, and the inevitable time vortex that occurs when you start living 1000 years and every day seems like an hour, eventually rendering you effectively senile even if your brain would normally stay intact.
It's because of the same reasons creating sentient artificially is presented negatively in most contexts: It has unpleasant implications and people like putting a moral into their stories.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:50:36 No.43296135 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297656

>>43296007
Because it's escapism. We've all got to accept death as part of our lives, so anyone trying to escape that is therefore running away from their problems.

I know, I know, separation of fiction and reality, but you also have to understand that fiction is in many cases a way for someone to cope with reality. Which is again why immortality is always made out to be bad or at the least super depressing, since people are subconsciously convincing themselves death is the better alternative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:51:53 No.43296154 Report Delete

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>>43296035
>To avoid feeling bad, they double-think themselves into all kinds of reasons why death isn't "all that bad" anyway.

As evidence, I present:

>>43296064
>implying life needs meaning for death to not be all that bad
>>43296086
>It is impossible for humans to actually realize the downsides of immortality.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:52:15 No.43296160 Report Delete

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Death is before me today:
Like the recovery of a sick man,
Like going forth into a
garden after sickness.

Death is before me today:
Like the odor of myrrh,
Like sitting under a sail
in a good wind.

Death is before me today:
Like the course of a stream,
Like the return of a man
from the war-galley to
his house.

Death is before me today:
Like the home that a man longs to see,
After years spent as a captive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 10:56:13 No.43296191 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296259

>>43296007

Because there really hasn't been a lot of media where everyone in a society is immortal and the protagonists.

Seriously, the same people who would start arguing you'd go crazy or want to die if you and your family were immortal will also usually be blithe LOTR elf worshippers where it worked...fine. Well it screwed up for different reasons

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:02:06 No.43296246 Report Delete

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small minded people who can only see things different than they are now as bad.

>tech advances

Cyberpunk dystopia!

>culture advances

2000 AD! Crime waves! SJWs!

>better biology makes people immortal

You'll blink and see a 1000 years pass by! Everyone you know will be dead somehow! It's better being dead!

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:03:04 No.43296259 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296319 >>43296439

>>43296191
Actually, it's written that even the VALAR will get sick of immortality and envy the fate of Men to escape from this world.

Elves who stay too long in middle earth tend to become...degraded.

Valinor is not a cure all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:03:40 No.43296264 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296345 >>43296611

>>43296007
it's not always presented as a bad thing, it's just that usually the villain needs to do bad things to get it. the reason is because that's how plots usually work.

it's the same with common plots like "the villain tries to bring his wife back to life, but it will fuck lots of people in the process, oh no". it's not that bringing his wife back to life is a bad thing, but if he could do it with no problem then it wouldn't be a plot. it would just be "guy gets what he wants, the end". self-preservation, like love, is one of those basic emotions that can make people do extreme things, which makes it ideal for villains. the message is usually not that immortality is bad, per se, but that raising the value of your own life above the lives of everyone else is bad.

likewise, if your protagonist is immortal then that either throws up problems for them (like vampire protagonists who need to drink blood and shit) or it just blends into the background. how often does it come up in LotR that legolas is immortal? it doesn't matter, no one cares.

also you could argue that there is an IRL lesson in the acceptance of death, everyone has to do it sooner or later or you'll be bummed your whole life. so if you're writing one of those stories that tries to have a message to the reader, the message "you're going to die, get over" is more useful than "wow it would be really nice if you could just live forever."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:03:54 No.43296270 Report Delete

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>>43296007
For the same reason the little kid always has to return to his own world after the crazy adventure in a fantasy world

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:05:11 No.43296280 Report Delete

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>>43296007
What the hell does Seiga groping Kasen have to do with this thread?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:07:22 No.43296308 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296328

Personally wouldn't vilify it, but would never recommend it to anyone in their right mind. Eternity is a lot longer than people ever think it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:08:05 No.43296319 Report Delete

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>>43296259

I'd get tired of immortality too if my culture never progressed in thousands of years

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:09:28 No.43296328 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296444

>>43296308

Oh no, you better give me your immortality serum for safe keeping so neither of us live longer. It's for the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:09:39 No.43296329 Report Delete

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>>43296280

Seiga, the immortal hermit, is molesting Kasen. Immortality vilified.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:11:24 No.43296345 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296503 >>43300831

>>43296264
In african mythology, death is seen as completely unnatural and wrong.

The general idea is that there were two messengers sent at the dawn of time. One with a message of life (usually a dog) and the other a message of death (in 80% of cases a Chameleon).

The dog gets distracted by food and abandons his quest, leaving only the chameleon to pass on its ominous message.

African religions are overall life affirming. This world is good, and the best possible afterlife is to be reincarnated so we can enjoy this bright and beautiful Earth once more.

It's like reverse Hinduism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:12:20 No.43296354 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296368 >>43296416

>>43296106
I can fairly easily guess why its bad, I have a harder time thinking of why its good.

long life is one thing, even a VERY long life, but idk about immortality

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:14:18 No.43296368 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305600

>>43296354

You could always just kill yourself if it was too much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:16:01 No.43296383 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Perhaps it is because the last one is
5. Mary Sue

After ten minutes of describing how gosh-darned awesome the NPC is, adding 'oh and she's immortal with no negative side-effects' is a cherry on the top of the shit pancake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:16:51 No.43296389 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297125

This Fox has a longing for grapes:
He jumps, but the bunch still escapes.
So he goes away sour;
And, 'tis said, to this hour
Declares that he's no taste for grapes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:16:53 No.43296390 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296519

>>43296007
because immortality would actually suck, unless magic or bullshit science let you keep evolving alongside the human race and stop your brain from overloading overtime

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:20:00 No.43296416 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305619

>>43296354
It's fiarly easy to see why it's good. If otherwise lived identically and both well, a life of one day longer is better than that of a life one day shorter. This is true for all n, where n is days lived. Taken to the logical limit, immortality is sweet, even taken with that which might make it bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:21:46 No.43296438 Report Delete

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>>43296007

The other issue is it's easily as boring as fuck to write about and any hero that has Perfect Immortality almost always immediately strays into Mary Sue territory

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:21:53 No.43296439 Report Delete

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>>43296259
Does that ever come up, though? Galadriel is literally older than the sun, and she never complains.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:22:07 No.43296440 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296506 >>43296519 >>43305491

Your first year of life is your whole life. Your second is perceived as half of your life. Your third 1/3, your fourth 1/4, etc etc. old people like my grandparents complain of tiknemoving just too fast. They're both 72 so an entire year is only equal to 1/72 of their entire lives, so it seems to go by so fast. Immortality would just extend this until after year 1500 every year just seems to be days, continuing on until you cannot perceive the passage of time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:22:41 No.43296444 Report Delete

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>>43296328
Alright I keep it hidden in my butt. It's so deep and wedged that only the dexterity of human fingers can remove it. Post haste my friend we haven't much time! We're both only mortal

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:28:22 No.43296503 Report Delete

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>>43296345
Is that why they rape everything?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:28:38 No.43296504 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296610 >>43296653

>>43296007
(Assuming immortality is never aging without mental health problems)
It's viewed as bad for the entirely wrong reasons. Personal immortality is great. Sure everyone would die around you, but you'd be a god. Plus tech would eventually catch up one day.

Death allows a species to evolve, it makes way for the young.
Can you imagine a world that is run with people whose morals are from the 1800s? 1900s?
Even morals aside, most innovations are created when the inventers are young. By allowing people to die, you can have civilisation advance.

For a species to be immortal and successful, you're going to have to have people that can adapt. People must be willing to adapt to changing circumstances, but most people have a resistance to change preprogrammed into them. I don't like it when machines replace my jobs as much as the next guy, but that machine will do a better job than me, provide those goods for cheaper, and, economically speaking, be a benefit to society. However I would be out of a job, and in all likelyhood I'd have to retrain in order to find better position.

In an immortal society, people need to be willing to retrain, at any time. Going back to high school would be a norm. But people don't want to.

If you created an immortality serum for the human race, humanity would stagnate and our evolution would completely stop, tech wise.
Nature has one law, adapt or die. We'd stop adapting. Ironically, it would be our immortality that kills us.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:28:43 No.43296506 Report Delete

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>>43296440
I think immortals can trick themselves into skipping a few thousand years in the blink of an eye, like an auto pilot in case they dont feel like putting up with the current affairs

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:29:31 No.43296519 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296692

>>43296440

Someone on the planet actually thinks this is how the perception of time works

>>43296390

It's called forgetting details. You already do it plenty

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:38:35 No.43296602 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296627

>>43296503
Here's your reply

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:39:58 No.43296610 Report Delete

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>>43296504

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:40:12 No.43296611 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305097

>>43296007

I say, refer to this >>43296264

Also, people have been programmed by years of fiction portraying it as bad to the point they automatically assume it is.

Losing your friends? Get new ones! We lose contact with old friends and make new ones all the time. Lose loved ones? Sure, that'd suck. Especially if it's your children. But time'll heal those wounds. Lose your parents? Most people lose their parents and are able to function. Hell, if they've moved away from home for years, they might not even feel that bad when it happened. Lose your spouse? No biggie. People get divorced or widowed all the time. Again, time heals all wounds.

Brain overloaded with new knowledge? Then forget stuff! We forget stuff all the flippin' time. And yet we function. Even if we forget really significant moments, we still move on.

We wouldn't necessarily be able to remember stuff from several hundred years ago if we were immortal. We might mixed up eras a lot. But provided it's not the sort of immortality with arbitrary drawbacks, immortals should still be able to function in the present and have a practical memory of the last, I dunno, 100 years or more.

The big downside to immortality is if you're stuck as the only sentient left. You can still keep yourself occupied, unless the world becomes barren.

Once the planet is destroyed from the sun going supernova and you're stuck drifting through the heat death of the universe... then yeah, immortality would suck then.

But you'd be perfectly fine for like, several thousand years after the collapse of humanity. Perhaps even for hundreds of millions or several billion years, until all life's extinguished.

Hopefully space travel and reality crossing will become possible during that period. Then you can just dimension hop whenever a civilization's about to collapse. In which case, there'd be 0 downsides to immortality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:42:27 No.43296627 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296839

>>43296602
Well, they do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:43:39 No.43296638 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297486

>>43296610
Coincidentally, immortal beings like Anti-spirals and Viral were incapable of producing spiral energy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:45:33 No.43296653 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297072 >>43297231 >>43298097 >>43298833

>>43296504
>Death allows a species to evolve, it makes way for the young.
It might be useful to keep some people immortal, even if you're replacing the bulk of them. Most humans never create anything truly important in all their lives. If you happen to get yourself a genius, you'll probably want to keep him. The obvious thing to do would be to let people keep living as long as they're still useful.
And that's only if you decide that you don't think the desires of the individual are more important than those of society as whole A completely stagnant immortal society sounds a bit bleak, but it'd probably be great for the people living in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:47:29 No.43296673 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297528

>>43296007
>Why is immortality almost always vilified /tg/?
what the fuck kinda buttcrack are you smoking?
have you never been to a CYOA thread? its become a running joke that every single option has to come with immortality or nobody will pick it because 99% of people on /tg/ want immortality.

>>43296035
Yep, this is exactly why your common plebeian claims immortality is bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 11:50:25 No.43296692 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43296982

>>43296519
that is actually how our minds perceive time, which is why every year seems to go by just a little faster.

And you never truly forget things, it's all stored away. It just becomes harder to recall specifics as your brain gets loaded up with more and more information

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:07:25 No.43296839 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305684

>>43296627
another reply

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:22:53 No.43296982 Report Delete

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>>43296692
Time SEEMS to go faster when we get older because we have a longer perspective of life, and because we gain patience as we mature. That by no means makes time actually pass by faster for older people you fucking idiot. Old people don't lose the ability to count because the numbers go by too fast. Being old and bored still makes days feel like years, just like it does when you're young and bored. But patience through maturity and having a lot more to think about experience-wise makes you less likely to be completely bored.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:31:22 No.43297072 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297161

>>43296653
Not necessarily. Even the greatest geniuses, many of them had their greatest works completed when they were young. It sounds harsh, but it's rare that great people continuously churn out innovations throughout their lives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:36:48 No.43297125 Report Delete

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>>43296389
>rhyming grapes with grapes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:37:55 No.43297141 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297458 >>43305605

1) Assuming an afterlife exists, immortality is not just cheating death - it's cheating your final fate. Rather than moving on to the next world, you're stubbornly clinging to this one.

2) Even assuming no afterlife exists, immortality is extremely destructive to the species.

A) It results in eternal consolidation of wealth and power, because those who accumulate it never need to get rid of it. Death is the one guaranteed dispersal of power.

B) It also results in a society stratified by age. A new entrant into the job market cannot compete with people who have been working for decades or even centuries and have not tired or lost skill.

C) Due to the above, real progress is basically impossible. The powerful from centuries ago will continue governing what is and is not accepted as truth and what social norms are. Like this idea? Tell me, what are your thoughts on Aristotelian astronomy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:39:44 No.43297161 Report Delete

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>>43297072
I feel like that's because neccesity is the mother of invention. Why be innovative and keep cranking out shit when I can sit back and let the money of success roll in?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:40:36 No.43297172 Report Delete

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>>43296007

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:42:31 No.43297197 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Immortality isn't vilified.

It's just you keep shoving your weebshit down our throats with that as a not so thinly veiled pile of /tg/ hypothetical bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:42:55 No.43297204 Report Delete

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>>43296007
>Why is immortality almost always vilified /tg/?
Omnia mors aequat. If someone becomes exception of that, everyone will hate their guts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:45:16 No.43297231 Report Delete

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>>43296653
You could potentially make that work if immortality is a palliative - stop producing, don't get your medicine.

Of course, all of this presupposes someone in charge of immortality who actually does their job correctly, rather than doing what history predicts someone with absolute power will do and give out benefits to people they personally care about while ignoring anyone else.

It also presupposes that there won't be a violent uprising by people who want immortality regardless of how useful they are, who will then ignore that system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:52:11 No.43297312 Report Delete

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>>43296007
because writing about how all the stuff is good and everything is sunshine and happiness is boring as fuck. People want to read about how OTHERS have it way worse then themselves especially if those others are otherwise better then them. Makes you feel good. These stories sells

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:01:10 No.43297417 Report Delete

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:01:55 No.43297423 Report Delete

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>>43296007
The Fox and the Grapes.

If I was offered immortality, I would take it in a fucking heartbeat. Assuming it was the legit immortality and not the whole 'You will never die, but you won't stop aging either' bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:04:00 No.43297449 Report Delete

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I like how Queen pretty much sums up the two sides of immortality.

With Princes of the Universe, you get a kick ass song about fighting, having the blood of kings, and awesomeness.

While 'Who wants to live forever' is the opposite.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:04:37 No.43297458 Report Delete

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>>43297141
If an afterlife exists, everyone is already immortal.
Not even the dead can know peace from this torment, as the saying goes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:07:18 No.43297485 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Because of ennui and eventual insanity. I'm actually in the pro-immortal camp, but I have no illusions that it's actually a good thing. After a couple centuries I'm going to be completely insane. Even if I'm not, by that point, I'll have seen everything worth seeing, learned everything worth learning, so what's left? Not to mention that in two hundred years I'm probably going to be viewed by the average joe the same way we would view one of the pilgrims today. My ideas and ideals will be outmoded and outdated. Hell, there are times now when I feel I was born into the wrong decade. How much worse would that feeling be in 2215?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:07:19 No.43297486 Report Delete

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>>43296638
But that's wrong.

The Anti-spirals were literally the perfect spiral race until they realised that exercising that power was causing the death of the universe and completely stopped their own evolution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:07:58 No.43297499 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297515 >>43297618

>>43296130
Life is meaningless because the beings you love get ripped away from you leaving you alone

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:09:03 No.43297512 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Look up "sour grapes."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:09:16 No.43297515 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297606 >>43297693

>>43297499
Find new loved ones. You have unlimited time, and grief doesn't last forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:10:07 No.43297528 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297613

>>43296673
>have you never been to a CYOA thread?
I've been taught to avoid trying to catch cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:14:48 No.43297606 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297665

>>43297515
The human brain isn't wired that way.

The problem is the same as granting a fly the ability to live for 100 days instead of only 1. The fly's brain doesn't evolve or change; It's still hard-wired into the same stupid patterns based on living for a single day. It's going to crash into things, puke on them, and try and suck up what food it can dissolve. It's going to get slow and fat as soon as it can, because that's what it's evolutionary designs are meant to do.

The beast doesn't change just because it can't grow old; Humans are the same. Deaths of loved ones fuck people up forever. Imagine the PTSD problems you'd get from being even in mildly dangerous situations decade after decade. There are myriads of mental conditions that have nothing to do with how physically healthy, just what fucked up experiences you've had. Live long enough and one of them is going to catch up to you, probably all of them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:15:11 No.43297613 Report Delete

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>>43297528
Well, you're a cancerous weeaboo so you're kind of late.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:15:32 No.43297618 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297693

>>43297499
Bullshit argument. The people you love get taken away in the normal human lifespan. Parents die, friends die, siblings die. Sometimes, children die. We don't just collapse in despair and cease to move until we starve to death when death happens, do we?

I mean, you're immortal. Sure, some awesome people are going to enter your life and then leave it, but the time you spent together will be etched into you forever, and when you think about it, isn't that a far better way to preserve their memory than a few pictures and a dusty tombstone?

You're a living record of all the wonderful people you've met, and you're bound to meet many more.

Being immortal =/= Being alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:17:02 No.43297634 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297677 >>43297854 >>43302306 >>43305807

If man were meant to be immortal, he would have been made immortal. The process of growth, aging and death is inextricable to the human condition; once removed, your humanity comes into question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:18:35 No.43297655 Report Delete

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>>43296007
How does /tg/ vilify immortality? Every CYOA thread has people whining about how the immortality options are too expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:18:37 No.43297656 Report Delete

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>>43296135
>We've all got to accept death as part of our lives, so anyone trying to escape that is therefore running away from their problems.
Says who? To me, that sounds like running towards your problems head on and beating the shit out of them

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:20:13 No.43297665 Report Delete

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>>43297606
The human brain is wired precisely that way. It's incredibly adaptable. It can shrug off just about anything given enough time.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:21:32 No.43297677 Report Delete

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>>43297634
What is a human, at the end of the day?

Does death define us?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:22:55 No.43297693 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298045 >>43298719 >>43298738 >>43306188

>>43297515
Grief does last forever
Imagine the culmative pain of losing generations of loved ones, never to see any of them again
>>43297618
No it's a correct argument. People get messed up for years by the loss of a parent or sibling. And even when they're ready to return to normal life they still carry scars from it

It doesn't really matter because immortality is impossible anyway. This world is cruel and messed up in the most disturbing way. You're encouraged to form relationships with friends, family, even animals. And then death comes and rips them away from you forever.
This world is horrible

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:23:07 No.43297696 Report Delete

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>>43297677
>Does death define us?
Among other things, yes. I would say the foreknowledge and understanding of our limited time in the world is one thing separates humans from animals.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:23:43 No.43297705 Report Delete

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>>43296007
If your life expectancy is literally forever, you will never have sufficient retirement savings.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:24:58 No.43297722 Report Delete

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>>43297656
I was explaining the logic behind it, not agreeing with it

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:25:01 No.43297724 Report Delete

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>>43297665
It is also incredibly fragile in some ways.

The main issue with immortality is that at some point you're going to suffer an incident which will cause damage to your psyche - and the longer you live, the more chances there are that something will happen.

There is also one other fact: memories are created via protein coding along the surfaces of the brain. The longer you live, the more that coding can degrade and become confused. The human brain isn't designed to contain that much information, and sooner or later things are going to become...confusing.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:27:07 No.43297753 Report Delete

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>>43297665
Actually no you retard. The human brain is fragile to traumatic experiences probably even more so then other creatures due to our long memories. Humans can be turned into emotional messes by a severely traumatic event and never recover. Hell look at soldiers with ptsd

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:27:09 No.43297754 Report Delete

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>>43297724
Imagine it: you live forever, but your memories degrade over time. Each generations of loved ones you outlive, the pain is fresh.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:28:36 No.43297767 Report Delete

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>>43296007
>Why is immortality almost always vilified /tg/?
Partially - Abrahamic religions (becoming immortal is not a bad thing in some cultures), partially because it is a revolutionary idea that would upset status quo. Basically, it's communism on steroids - Marxists simply claimed they could eliminate poverty and look what happened. What could Immortalists do?

It's a radical idea, to say the least.

And however forward-thinking you consider yourself, you don't really want to be the one whose words could be easily interpreted as "all religions are now obsolete" or "the only way for you to survive is to join Immortalist Party". It's a very easy way to make a lot of enemies.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:30:08 No.43297791 Report Delete

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>>43297724
>>43297753
The brain is also incredibly plastic; we just don't know what will happen until someone does live to a thousand.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:35:20 No.43297854 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43297904 >>43298072

>>43297634
If we're accepting appeals to nature, I'd argue the exact opposite. Trying to avoid death is a fundamental part of humanity. Of living. Willingly dying is against every biological imperative you have.
Given the choice right now between dying and living forever, do you think you would actually pick dying? I'm willing to bet that most people wouldn't be able to ignore their inborn fear of death, no matter what intellectual arguments they believed.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:35:22 No.43297855 Report Delete

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>>43297753

I have no idea how you managed to have an opinion that is so unbelievably opposite of actual medical research and opinion.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:37:42 No.43297884 Report Delete

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>>43297753
Are you that guy from yesterday's immortality thread? The one who kept calling people retarded cretins?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:38:11 No.43297891 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299610

ITT people discuss the Problem of Immortality. Some people don't get it and talk out their asses.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:40:04 No.43297904 Report Delete

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>>43297854
>Trying to avoid death is a fundamental part of humanity.
Or perhaps struggling against the inevitable, reaching out for what seems impossible, are the important things, and the deep-seated hunger for immortality is just an expression of this. There is nothing more universal than death, so it stands to reason that the desire to subvert it is correspondingly widespread.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:41:08 No.43297912 Report Delete

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>>43297753
It's not about extent of the trauma, it's about how bad it is compared to what you're used to perceive as normal. Child soldiers that knew war from the moment they could walk cope better with warfare than people that had relatively peaceful life until they got conscripted / deployed.
Opposite extreme is people so pampered they will fold when someone raises voice in the room.
Point is, if you wanna prepare someone for a very long life you need to traumatise them gradually, make them experience worse and worse things until they're so jaded nothing will faze them.
That's the theory anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:47:38 No.43297985 Report Delete

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>>43297791
It's plastic up to a point - I would know, mine rewired how it works after brain damage was inflicted at the age of 6 and I'm still learning some of the ways it changed to cope - but there are some very basic functions that cannot be changed. Most of the id-based functions, for instance, would have to literally be trained away for an immortal to function as an immortal effectively. You would have to fear routines and commonplace activities, because they could become so ingrained they would be self destructive (we have issues with that as non-immortals!). and psychological trauma is one of the most devastating things that can happen to anyone. It takes years, sometimes decades of intensive work to overcome some psychological trauma; hell it takes decades for soldiers and ex-convicts to readapt to civilian life, and they don't always manage it well.

Those are things that we as non-immortals have to cope with. An immortal is risking far worse because living longer=more opportunities to suffer that kind of trauma.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:48:15 No.43297995 Report Delete

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:52:00 No.43298045 Report Delete

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>>43297693
Then why don't you kill yourself?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:54:32 No.43298072 Report Delete

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>>43297854
> Willingly dying is against every biological imperative you have.
No. Death in an evolutionary mechanism.

We literally have evolved to die from the old age to let the next generation prosper and keep accruing positive mutations in the species gene pool.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 13:56:10 No.43298097 Report Delete

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>>43296653
>you'll want to keep geniuses
Even the deepest wells eventually run dry
>completely stagnant immortal society...great for the people living in it
I'd think that'd be more end of the universe game

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:02:19 No.43298183 Report Delete

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>>43297696
Seems like an incredibly arbitrary line to draw, if you ask me.

Either that, or humanity is massively overrated.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:08:49 No.43298270 Report Delete

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>>43297753
Not so much. The brain is fragile, but it does a fantastic job of patching itself together when it gets broken, into an at least functional state.

An immortal has plenty of time to come to terms with trauma, as well. You don't think there will be therapists in the year 2250?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:10:14 No.43298294 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298322 >>43298454

>>43296007
Well firstly because its impossible.
Any living thing that consumes energy at any rate cannot be immortal because there is not infinite energy for it to consume to continue its life process.
In addition, you'd need some way of storing more memories, as a human brain starts reaching its capacity for memory between 70 and 100 years, and you'd need some more efficient medium to store memories for thousands, if not tens of thousands of years.

Secondly because it probably cheapens life, when you have infinite money, nothing really has any value for you, because you can get whatever you want without consequence.
An immortal is eventually going to stop feeling any sort of pleasure from even the most exciting parts of being alive, because A: They will have most likely experienced it many times over, and B: Because there is no risk to it because they cannot die.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:12:31 No.43298322 Report Delete

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>>43298294
>they have experienced it many times over
>>human brain starts reaching its capacity for memory between 70 and 100 years

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:15:18 No.43298362 Report Delete

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>>43296035
>"Yo I'm never going to die and it is AMAZING,
But there cannot be true inmortality. Even if you manage to not die for any means, the universe itself will end sooner or later. You are part of the universe, therefore you will end with it.

There is no true inmortality, but extreme logevity and resilence.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:16:56 No.43298375 Report Delete

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>>43298362
Oh stop being such a fucking nitpick

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:19:02 No.43298403 Report Delete

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I'd take extended lifespan over immortality, probably.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:22:42 No.43298454 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298539 >>43298767

>>43298294
>human brain starts reaching its capacity for memory between 70 and 100 years
That's completely wrong. The human brain has an immense storage capacity, 100 years isn't even close to long enough to fill it.

>An immortal is eventually going to stop feeling any sort of pleasure from even the most exciting parts of being alive, because A: They will have most likely experienced it many times over, and B: Because there is no risk to it because they cannot die.
Eating when you're hungry is always satisfying, regardless of how old you are. Same with a good nights sleep. While an immortal might have a very high threshold for pain and excitement those are biological processes and are always functional provided the body isn't breaking down. Just because you're familiar with heights doesn't mean you can't get nervous when high up, it just means you know how to ignore or deal with it. Just because someone is immortal doesn't mean their bodily processes stop working.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:24:29 No.43298473 Report Delete

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>>43296063
>CORE

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:24:38 No.43298474 Report Delete

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>>43298375
But doesn't knowing that there is no real immortality and that your conciousness and personality will stop functioning forever makes you depressed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:29:29 No.43298539 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298794

>>43298454
>Just because someone is immortal doesn't mean their bodily processes stop working.
Then they can't be immortal, because they'll eventually run out of available energy to consume, unless they just use magic bullshit to draw nourishment from some other dimension, in which case there really isn't anything to discuss because if the immortal can just use magical bullshit there really isn't any discussion left to have.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:30:48 No.43298562 Report Delete

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>>43296035
No, from an evolutionary standpoint death si indeed necessary. If organisms were immortal you'd have big problems with not just overcrowding/depletion of resurces but also genetic stagnation, both of which would likely lead to the extincion of the species. Plus, immortality is hard (cells and DNA get damaged over time, and would have to be contantly repaired to allow an organism to be truly immortal, and that takes energy) and from an evolutionary standpoint not really worth the resources (from an evolutionary standpoint all that matters is the survival of the species. Survival of individual organisms is irrelevant).

If we had the means, though, I would make myself immortal in a heartbeat. Mortality might make sense from an evolutionary standpoint but humanity no longer needs such things, having replaced natural evolution with development of technology.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:34:46 No.43298628 Report Delete

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It's not everyone OP, just >>43296086 said the same shit in the other thread because he's still retarded/

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:39:11 No.43298689 Report Delete

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>>43298072
That's the dumbest thing I've seen in this thread. Death is not an evolutionary adaptation, and certainly not death by old age. The gradually deterioration of the body as it ages is due to imperfections in how our cells copy themselves, it's not an adaptation, it's an inherent flaw in the system. Before the advent of technology and civilization most people didn't die old age,most of them died either to disease, starvation, or other predators. Old age isn't even a cause of death, someone can die of organ failure or some disease that the body is too weak to fight off but there's always some specific thing that kills them.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:41:09 No.43298719 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302929

>>43297693
Anon, you're fucking depressed. Losing your loved ones is indeed horrible and will affect your view of life, but that doesn't mean that everyone will stay traumatized forever. Plenty will stand up, wave at the heavens and keep walking forward.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:42:11 No.43298738 Report Delete

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>>43297693
>>Imagine the culmative pain of losing generations of loved ones, never to see any of them again
>Implying I'm not a literally forever virgin.
As long as mankind keeps on producing porn, I'll be okay.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:44:01 No.43298767 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298890 >>43298899

>>43298454
This means that if you fuck up and say; fall into a volcano, you'll feel pain until you get out of it right? Which could be never, so that would suck.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:44:17 No.43298776 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298816 >>43298899 >>43298916 >>43298938 >>43305858

>>43296007
Seriously why would anyone want to live forever? The world is shit, and will forever be shit. Try to enjoy it, but don't overstay your welcome.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:45:54 No.43298794 Report Delete

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>>43298539
The thread is about why people portray immortality as a bad thing. The conversation we're currently having having is about the psychological consequences of immortality, the actual mechanics behind it are unimportant.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:47:25 No.43298816 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303082

>>43298776
I want to see how other people fuck up. That makes me happy

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:48:59 No.43298833 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298894 >>43298902

>>43296653
>Most humans never create anything truly important in all their lives
Examined within a vacuum, this would be true. I however, believe that the success of that one genius is built on the backs of those that came before him. To put it in another way, his particular success should not be attributed solely to him. Environment plays a major factor. So do past luminaries in his field, their ideas a foundation for him to leap frog from. A thousand and one people interact with the genius, shaping him into what he is and therefore having a hand in his creation. It is true those people might ever create anything worthwhile directly, but I believe humanity advances itself, one death at a time.

I remember reading somewhere: change only happens when the old guard dies. Imagine what change we will see if the old guard are by and large immortal?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:52:59 No.43298890 Report Delete

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>>43298767
Yep, even as an immortal there's still things to be scared of. Although it probably depends on how your particular kind of immortality works. If you constantly regenerate then you're fucked. If you just come back to life every time you die then it might not be so bad, you might die quick enough each time that you aren't really aware of anything until you get out somehow.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:53:07 No.43298894 Report Delete

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>>43298833
vampire the masqurade

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:53:22 No.43298899 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298986 >>43303082

>>43298767
Molten stone is too dense for you to sink in it. Still, it's probably not a good idea not to go climbing above lava pools if you're immortal.

It's an even worse idea if you're not immortal.

>>43298776
The world is actually great, though.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:53:37 No.43298902 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298949 >>43299085

>>43298833
>I remember reading somewhere: change only happens when the old guard dies. Imagine what change we will see if the old guard are by and large immortal?

This is perhaps single most reasonable argument against immortality, but I feel it misses the fact that immortal does not mean invulnerable/godlike/beyond reproach. Sure tyrants would be worse, but golden ages will last longer as well. At the end you need a stable society to enjoy your eternal wealth, you are after all (presumably) still by and large human.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:54:54 No.43298916 Report Delete

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>>43298776
I rather like the world, and living. Besides it seems to be better than the alternative.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:56:29 No.43298938 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43298986 >>43303082

>>43298776

No, anon, your outlook on life is shit. I like living and everything that comes with it.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:56:50 No.43298949 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299024

>>43298902
Immortal does not always mean invulnerable. One can be immune to aging but still die the same as any other human.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 14:59:49 No.43298986 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299024 >>43299183 >>43302673

>>43298916
>>43298899
>>43298916
>>43298938
Living could not compare with death though. Life contains both suffering and joy, in amounts that can be debated. If there's no afterlife, then it could be said that in death we could not perceive suffering nor would we miss joy. I have no wish to die, it just seems that death is better.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:03:01 No.43299024 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299263

>>43298949
That's what I said, no?

>>43298986
>it just seems that death is better.
Yeah I'm not sold that you do not wish to die, at best this describes state of apathy, which is in itself something you need to talk to someone about asap

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:07:38 No.43299085 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299376 >>43299578 >>43300280 >>43306297

>>43298902
Two problems. First, "golden age" is relative. What would you prefer - the most glorious years of Rome, or the modern era? Don't get me wrong, Rome has its good parts, but we wouldn't be having this conversation with Roman technology.

Second, no matter how golden the age, it's going to suck for the recent-born. They'll be entering a workforce filled with people who have centuries of experience and no loss of vigor, and a stagnating golden age still means little opportunity for entrepreneurs. They can't even hope for a rich relative to die, because nobody dies You're basically going to have an ever-growing serf class no matter what you do, unless people just stop reproducing - in which case the stagnation just becomes more absolute.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:13:50 No.43299162 Report Delete

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>>43297705
>you cannot have enough savings for retirement if you live forever
Literally wrong. If you have sufficient savings, you can literally live off the literal interest of your literal savings and literal investments.>>43297722

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:15:56 No.43299183 Report Delete

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>>43298986
>Living could not compare with death though.

You should've just stopped there instead of doing the exact opposite of what you just asserted. You can't compare life and death because death is not a real thing. Death is the absence of life. Comparing existence to non-existence is like comparing light to darkness, it's completely redundant. There are no arguments to be made for which one is "better".

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:22:52 No.43299263 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43300686

>>43299024
If you're such a wealth of optimism, would you find it great to witness the death of all things except yourself? If your answer is yes, then I think it is you who needs to talk to someone.
>>43299183
I see what you mean, but it's a meaningless distinction itself. Calling cold the absence of heat does little to alter one's perception of cold. Explain to me how this makes death worse than immortality?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:31:40 No.43299376 Report Delete

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>>43299085
Yeah, humans would definitely have to stop reproducing.

...Well, no, I guess they wouldn't, depending on how much magic is involved in the immortality process.
I'm imagining the surface of earth completely covered in human bodies, fighting and mating in a ceaseless, senseless violent orgy. Each day, the undying feast on each others' flesh, and each night the injuries regenerate, sometimes permanently joining bodies together. People spill over into one another, both physically and mentally, and the mass keeps growing. As the pressure builds, the ones stuck in the bottom, the oldest generations, will be transmuted; their bodies turned into living, immortal crystal as matter is forced into the most space-efficient configuration. Thousands of orbits hence, the flesh planet is discovered by aliens. They will marvel at the strange, plantlike growth, and wonder in fear how it violates the most basic of the laws of physics. They will harness the still growing parts as a neverending fuel source, and mine the crystallized bloodstone from deep under the wet surface, for it makes for marvelous tools and gems both. Perhaps, probing deeper into the workings of the new lifeform they discovered, they will eventually discover the secret of true immortality hidden within. The next cycle takes place at a much grander scale.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:41:04 No.43299515 Report Delete

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>>43298362
No actually. If you're immortal you've already broken thermodynamics meaning you're infinite energy. If somebody could engineer cancer cells using your immortal cells, you could possibly end up with an immortal eternally reproducing cancer cells to keep the universe warm.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:43:05 No.43299540 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Mono no Aware

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:44:02 No.43299548 Report Delete

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>>43299540
domo, genji-kun

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:45:50 No.43299578 Report Delete

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I imagine that different personalities would handle immortality better than others.

>>43299085
I imagine the economy would cease being a capitalist labor based economy, and become a command-control or socialist economy.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:48:51 No.43299610 Report Delete

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>>43297891

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:56:40 No.43299714 Report Delete

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>>43297677
A miserable little pile of secrets? But enough talk, have at you!

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:01:05 No.43299782 Report Delete

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Immortality is pretty great!

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:01:40 No.43299795 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43299916

Here's a thought: we're likely to develop artificial superintelligence at some point within the century. That could not only make us all immortal, but come up with a solution to the problems involved with immortality in a way that we, as relatively limited beings by comparison, could never have even considered. Never mind more current advances in medical technology that are leading us all to live longer and longer anyway.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:09:02 No.43299916 Report Delete

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>>43299795
At what point does it stop being AI and just become I?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:10:18 No.43299938 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Let's consider, for a moment, what happens if immortality becomes a widespread Thing.

Whatever the means of immortality is, those in power will get their hands on it and use it. Once they are no longer able to die. they can continue gathering power into eternity, and before long at all nobody will be able to do a goddamn thing about it due to the sheer quantity of power concentrated in their hands. Society stagnates.

People keep right on breeding, because it's programmed into the species. With nobody dying, we're soon buried under mountains of babies. (Not literally, though, that would take a really long time.)

People get set in their ways, and STAY set in their ways into eternity. Society stagnates even HARDER.

With the people who like consuming inordinate amounts of resources continuing to do so, and the new kids needing to eat as well, we burn through nonrenewables until we're entirely out of them, while also burning through renewables faster than the renewal rate. Before long, nobody has anything to use any more. For that matter, nobody has anything to eat except for their fellow starving masses.

Death isn't just "part of the human experience abloobloo", it's essential to society.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:11:53 No.43299972 Report Delete

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>>43299916
At the exact point when we stop arguing over whether or not it qualifies as "true" AI.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:30:46 No.43300280 Report Delete

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>>43299085
>First, "golden age" is relative.
Indeed, but since neither of has any actual data on the subject, all we can operate on are assumptions. For one in my description I assumed that immortality is limited to lack of natural ageing process and perfect health. As mentioned earlier going beyond this line is breaking thermodynamics. Under this form of immortality there is no reason to suspect accelerated or decelerated tech growth, since it depends on a whole lotta factors and not just who is currently ruling any given set of humans. Would having old professors stick around stagnate the research due to close mindedness or would it speed it up due to not needing to teach new people same lessons? We can't know, probably both.

Under this set of presumptions I fell the safest guess that civilization of ageless humans will experience the similar processes to our current ones just a lot slower, because at the core they'd still be humans. Do note I mean social processes rather then scientific progress, jury is still out on that as far as I'm concerned. Over time their society will slowly drift away from our current norms of course, but that is just another process that happens with all human civilisations due to various stimuli.

Also I have no idea why I'm writing this wall of text here, just seemed like a good idea when I started.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 16:56:52 No.43300686 Report Delete

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>>43299263
>Explain to me how this makes death worse than immortality?

It doesn't. They're not comparable. I don't think you really saw what I meant.

Cold and hot are both vague words that describe temperature numbers, darkness only exists for the purpose of describing its opposite, just like death. Only one of those words is a thing that actually exists, the other one is only there to tell us that the thing isn't there. Basically, what I'm trying to say is you can't compare something that exists to something that exists only as a concept to describe the lack of the first thing.

You could even say that life is just as much of a made-up concept as death, which just leads us even further down the analogy rabbit hole to the ultimate human-made concept that is morality's good and bad. These are just words that our little monkey brains come up to make our lives easier, they don't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

I feel like humans as they are now are just too retarded to have any meaningful insight on existential subjects like this. That's not to say I don't enjoy the mental gymnastics of it, it's just that anything you or I come up with is ultimately the cosmic equivalent of bacteria farts.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 17:07:01 No.43300831 Report Delete

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>>43296345
>African mythology
In Middle-Eastern European mythology there are gods but actually only one and he are blind from one eye and omnipotent but dies during the Ragnapocalypse and they shoots lightning with a trident and a hammer the serpentwolf cannot lift. Also Baba Yaga and the Dahu somewhere.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 17:11:01 No.43300889 Report Delete

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Immortality is great so long as you don't fuck with the mob, get cemented into a barrel and thrown to the bottom of the ocean

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 17:13:46 No.43300929 Report Delete

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>>43300686
I don't think you understand that we are limited by what we perceive, which we must in turn interpret as reality. Hunger indicates the absence of food in the stomach and I can say that it is better to be full than hungry. Though according to your argument, I can't say that as the two are incomparable opposites. Existentialism is as meaningless as anything else because one can easily disprove the existence of everything, but that does not mean that that would change one's circumstances.
Death is better than life due to the fact that without one's facilities, one does not have the opportunity to experience suffering or miss the experience of joy.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:04:11 No.43301646 Report Delete

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>>43300929
It sounds like someone has fallen to Resentiment

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:09:30 No.43301693 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Immortality a shit
Who the fuck wants to literally live forever?
Fuck that I'll live forever in the tales and songs the bard sing about Siegfried Dragon fucker

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:14:53 No.43301779 Report Delete

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>>43301693
>Who the fuck wants to literally live forever?
I do.

>Fuck that I'll live forever in the tales and songs the bard sing about Siegfried Dragon fucker
I'll make a point of telling the truth whenever I hear that story. That all that happened was that you got drunk and fucked your pet lizard on a dare.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:16:30 No.43301808 Report Delete

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>>43300929
>I don't think you understand that we are limited by what we perceive

What? That was my entire point.We're too limited to have any meaningful insight right now. I literally wrote that at the end of my post.

If you're the guy I quoted, you're making the same mistake of using an incorrect analogy. Hunger can be measured, felt and observed. It does not exist solely as a concept for the purpose of being the opposite of something, which is what darkness is to light and death is to life. Those describe something humans perceive but not things that are actually grounded in reality. You can say life is better than death, but what makes that statement true when one or both of those words are just concepts you made up in order for your brain to have an easier time? You're basically comparing fiction to reality or fiction to fiction in non-human terms.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:39:07 No.43302212 Report Delete

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>>43296007
I can, of course, think why it's commonly considered bad, but I never felt like that'd be true.
I mean, it's a moot point, sadly enough, but I'd choose immortality in a heartbeat.

>but all the people you care about will die
Yeah, but I've had friends and family die on me before and I am still around, without any crippling issues because of that. Sure I'll mourn, but then I'll move on. Also, I get to meet a near infinite amount of people and thus make new friends.

>but end of the universe
That's a long damn way off and I doubt our understanding of the universe *right now* is the entire sum of all knowledge. Someone will figure shit out. And, hey, if they don't, at least I get to stick around and remember humanity forever, that's pretty cool, too.

>but life without death is meaningless
I couldn't give any less of a shit about meaning if I'd get to walk across some alien world, making contact with another species or discovering that we really are alone. I mean, I'd have the time to keep looking.

Mind you, all of this is said under the assumption that immortality comes with all the usual built-in perks like immunity to disease, rapid regeneration, agelessness and the like. I don't want to be immortal with a gargantuan tumor replacing most of my body.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:45:11 No.43302295 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302400 >>43302461

>>43296035
>Death is approximately the very worst thing that happens

Incorrect. Anything that happens in life is worse than death when you have to sit through it an infinite number of times.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:45:56 No.43302306 Report Delete

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>>43297634
If being locked into an endless cycle of death and misery is the (or at least a) defining feature of being human, then I'd gladly shed my humanity at the first opportunity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:49:28 No.43302359 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302376

>>43301693
Who the fuck wants to literally live forever?
Well, me, for one. Life is not a goddamn checklist you work your way down and then just quit. At least, it should not be.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:50:51 No.43302376 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302484

>>43302359
>should

Literally triggered by this word. Fuck you and your opinions.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:51:33 No.43302385 Report Delete

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Immortality would suck if you don't have the power to keep yourself out of terrible situations such as an unending vivisection

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:52:10 No.43302400 Report Delete

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>>43302295
That's only if you presume life events can contribute negative value to the sum of life.

If death is 0 and A is 10, and B is -10, then if you are alive and both A and B happen you are just as bad off as being dead.

If life events can not contribute negative value to life, then this all falls apart, because 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 is still greater than 0. In this model no matter how shitty life gets it is always better than death, because death is the Final addition of a 0 value, preventing the accumulation of further increments of value in life.

This doesn't get into afterlife stuff, though.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:56:02 No.43302461 Report Delete

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>>43302295
Except you also get to sit through the wonderful crap an equally infinite number of times. Lover dies? Awful does not even begin to describe it, but the future is right in front of you, and you'll eventuall meet another person that'll grow close to you and maybe fall in love with. And, yes, that person will inevitably die as well, but the joyous times spent will probably outweigh the sad ones. And that way you just keep on living.
And during that time you get to experience all the wonder the future will bring.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:57:38 No.43302484 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302773

>>43302376
Elaborate, I'm affraid I don't get this particular case of nonsense.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 18:59:48 No.43302524 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Because humans are not ready for Immortality. Given time, they may be... In 1,000,000 years...

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:07:16 No.43302652 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Humanity is likely to go extinct by the end of the century. I'd rather not be alone.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:08:20 No.43302673 Report Delete

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>>43298986

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:08:47 No.43302681 Report Delete

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>>43296007
you spend eternity banging hot flight stewardesses, and being friends with michael cain

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:14:25 No.43302773 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302994 >>43305826

>>43302484
Whenever someone uses the word "should", it means they're spewing their opinions. No one cares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:25:21 No.43302929 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43302985

>>43298045
>wahh if you don't 100% love the world and all the fucked up shit in it then you should just kill urself
No faggot. Just because I dont like the negative aspects of this reality doesn't mean I should kill myself. I still enjoy the positive stuff.
>>43298719
It's already ruined my view of life. I see no point in a reality filled with suffering and grief. If I can I'm going to find a way to change it but so far I've drawn a blank.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:28:21 No.43302973 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303188

>>43296007
Technically immortality is impossible for humans. Let's look at it in this way.When you were five you were completely different person than you are now. Today you barely even have any memories of your life at that time. Psychologically you are a completely different person. Same way with 60 year old you in the future. How much you will really have in common in that old guy in the end aside of few memories? Now imagine you in 100, 1000 or 10000 years. You would completely forget a person you are now by then. Your life experiences would turn you into someone so different from current you that it wouldn't even be you anymore.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:29:37 No.43302985 Report Delete

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>>43302929
>I still enjoy the positive stuff.
>I see no point in a reality filled with suffering and grief.
You sure do, m8.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:30:12 No.43302994 Report Delete

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>>43302773
So what? This is a thread about people's thoughts on death, immortality and the possible moral implications of that. Unless you *are* fucking immortal and can thus contribute some amazing insight, all of these arguments are just that, opinions.
Get over yourself, anon.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:31:44 No.43303015 Report Delete

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>>43302985
Just ignore him, guy is clearly depressed and trying to explain it to him is a waste of effort.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:35:00 No.43303061 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303108

>>43296035
>Death is approximately the very worst thing that happens

Not if you're a christian. Then Death is just the beginning of something neat.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:36:29 No.43303082 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303169 >>43303184 >>43303197 >>43303336 >>43303382 >>43303725

>>43298816
I don't enjoy seeing that. I feel bad for all the people who have made the wrong choices and only realized it too late
>>43298899
Life is not great as you think
Death, pain, suffering , grief , loss
All are horrible things that should be abolished and gotten rid of
>>43298938
You like suffering? You enjoy losing your loved ones to death?
I for one don't
I'm under the belief that this world is hell and death is actually the escape. Death is freedom from this cursed world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:37:24 No.43303098 Report Delete

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>>43302673
How is that wrong though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:38:01 No.43303106 Report Delete

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People always bang on about how death is just well-deserved rest or some grand equalizer, but the thought of the entire annihilation of a existence terrifies me utterly. No matter what awfulness immortality MIGHT hold, they'd be nothing to the guaranteed horror death provides.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:38:05 No.43303108 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303294 >>43304647

>>43303061
>>Death is approximately the very worst thing that happens
>Not if you're a christian.
Or buddhist.
Or muslim.
Or into pretty much any other religion.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:42:08 No.43303169 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303578

>>43303082
I think that you should get into explosives or something. You know, just sitting on your ass and doing nothing while there are so many people still trapped in this hellish wasteland is just making things worse.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:43:06 No.43303184 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303578

>>43303082
>Death, pain, suffering , grief , loss
>All are horrible things that should be abolished and gotten rid of
Well, the rest of your outlook is shit on a biscuit, but at least on this we are agreed. All of that has to go, sooner rather than later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:43:22 No.43303188 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303354

>>43302973
Most of the body's cells will die and be replaced within a person's lifetime, but they still conceptually see themselves as the same person. Barring extreme damage to the brain, people will have some sense of continuity regardless of their specific memory at any given moment.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:43:52 No.43303197 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303209 >>43303578

>>43303082
Anon, the thing with life is that it is balanced in both the good and bad. The fact that you think that life is full of endless grief and suffering is in itself proof that you've experienced the joy of living. Without knowing what being happy is, you also cannot know what being happy is. They are concepts that do not exist without one another. Conversely, this means that you cannot be truly happy unless you experience some grief, because the value of happiness does not exist for you if you don't.

Your problem is that you've let yourself get broken by the sad parts and abandoned the good parts. It's not that the world is utterly horrible - you're just too fragile to live in it.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:44:54 No.43303209 Report Delete

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>>43303197
*you also cannot know what being sad is

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:46:57 No.43303235 Report Delete

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>>43296035
I don't think I would mind nonexistence. I won't be aware of it, why worry? Besides, day to day life is pretty tedious. It's going to be a perfect blissful decomposition when I go, my mind ceasing to function in any way, shape, or form.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:51:02 No.43303294 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303731

>>43303108

Hey, not all atheists believe in the void, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:54:02 No.43303336 Report Delete

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>>43303082
>Death
>horrible thing that should be abolished
Well, yeah, but I don't see how dying would improve the situation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:54:47 No.43303348 Report Delete

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Forgive me for not reading a majority of the thread.

The problem with discussions like these is everyone starts out with a different definition for immortality. Some good arguments against "undying body with normal human capability" don't apply to "consciousness that exists indefinitely."

I think the rational, boring answer that everyone can agree to is "it depends."

My personal feelings related to immortality are summed up by your fourth point, OP. "Transhumanism is fucked up." Immortality raises a lot of questions about the meaningfulness of self/identity. If self is just an expression of a set of information in a certain time/place, why is it important for similar sets of information to exist in "adjacent" times/places?

At the end of the day, I appreciate the aesthetic of characters that want to live forever, but I don't personally see the importance.

tl;dr - Uh, idk man, shit's weird.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:55:09 No.43303354 Report Delete

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>>43303188
>sense of continuity
If someone erased your memories and implanted someone's else ones into your mind you would feel continuity with that person even if you wouldn't be it. Sense of continuity is just an illusion. Thousand year old you would feel like if he was still the same person he was in the beginning (if he even would remember current you which is unlikely) but he would have more in common with other immortals than with you.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 19:56:34 No.43303382 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303675

>>43303082
>You like suffering? You enjoy losing your loved ones to death?

Suffering is subjective. What your pussy ass might consider "suffering" is just another day at the office for someone else. Sometimes a bit of suffering can go a long way in making you appreciate all the good things in life.

>I'm under the belief that this world is hell and death is actually the escape. Death is freedom from this cursed world.

Then why haven't you killed yourself yet? Your beliefs seem to be in direct conflict with your current presence here, which just leads me to believe you're full of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:07:21 No.43303578 Report Delete

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>>43302985
I just wish there was less or no negative in life
>>43303169
Epic. Time takes care of that itself so I'll pass
>>43303184
Well at least we agree on something
>>43303197
I'm not saying there's no good. I'm just saying there should be less negative.
Or a complete rewriting of the world with everyone's memory intact so they know how horrible the previous world was in comparison
And yes I am broken. I'm tired of losing things and not being able to do anything about it. I'm tired of grief. I'm just tired.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:12:06 No.43303675 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303777 >>43303897

>>43303382
Suffering is not subjective. There's nothing subjective about losing loved ones or being injured or being raped or beaten or tortured. It's not even my suffering that bothers me that much
It's the suffering of every human that's ever existed and existing now
How's it fair that men in world war 2 had to run into bullets and their families had to bury them? how's it good that millions of people died from the plague or the Spanish flu? How's it fair that 3000 people who were just working an office job got blown up on 9/11 some even having to jump out the building to avoid being burned alive
This world is fucked up. I don't need to kill myself and cause more suffering to my parents and friends. I'll just let time do it for me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:14:53 No.43303724 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303879 >>43305989

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/woman-faces-2nd-degree-murder-charges-oklahoma-crash-34728157

Here's just one story of suffering
Innocent bystander murdered. Now his family has to bury him and suffer for years without him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:14:54 No.43303725 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303829

>>43303082
As somebody who lives through a lot of shit and is depressed as fuck, please tell us what ails you so anon so we can judge if you're just being an edgy cunt.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:15:11 No.43303731 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303793

>>43303294
Atheists don't believe in anything. That's what makes them atheists.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:17:06 No.43303777 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303802

>>43303675
It's not the rape and torture that causes your suffering, but your own desire to not be raped and tortured.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:18:09 No.43303793 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303855 >>43304031

>>43303731
No, atheists are the ones who don't believe in gods.
The ones who don't believe in anything are nihilists.
Or edgelords, if you prefer that word.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:18:32 No.43303802 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303924 >>43304041

>>43303777
nice mangling of a noble truth, my man

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:19:17 No.43303829 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304756

>>43303725
Why does it necessarily have to be something that ails me? But if you do want to know it's because my best friend died recently. However I've already said that it's not my suffering that bothers me. It's every single human that's ever existed and existing now's suffering that bothers me. What's the point of death?
>inb4 le evolution requires it
Why not just have a totally different reality? One without limited resources one without death or suffering or pain? Sounds to me like that'd be superior in every way

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:20:32 No.43303855 Report Delete

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>>43303793
Same thing.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:21:41 No.43303879 Report Delete

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>>43303724
If they die now too they won't need to.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:22:45 No.43303897 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43303983

>>43303675
>Suffering is not subjective. There's nothing subjective about losing loved ones or being injured or being raped or beaten or tortured.

But that's wrong. The way someone reacts to those situations depends on the person.

>It's not even my suffering that bothers me that much
>It's the suffering of every human that's ever existed and existing now

Relax there, Jesus. This is some cringy shit you're writing.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:24:17 No.43303924 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304047

>>43303802
>bad things happen to you because you were a cunt in a previous life
>just sit on your ass being smug all day
>noble truth
Face it, buddhism is in the end the most overrated religion in existence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:27:21 No.43303983 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304043 >>43304066 >>43304137 >>43304319

>>43303897
How is it cringy to be bothered by humansuffering ? It bothers me that people around the world right now are experiencing horrible events and they shouldn't have to.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:29:29 No.43304031 Report Delete

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>>43303793
>The ones who don't believe in anything are nihilists.
You're correct that nihilists don't believe in any spiritual values, but it's worth noting that they also don't believe in any material values.
Man with no spiritual faith that still values material things is no nihilist, just unbeliever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:29:32 No.43304032 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Because People Die when they are Killed.

To be less of a memeing fuck, humans can and will develop senility anywhere from 50 and 80 years of age.

Now put a senile old fuck in a 20-something year-old's body. Now give them heavily-ingrained weapons training and free reign and also the inability to die ever.

That sounds like a grand old time to me. How about you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:30:14 No.43304041 Report Delete

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>>43303802

Not him, but the joke is, it's both of those things. Change is suffering; the simple shift from happy to sad is constant, as you can't remain in either of those states fixedly given the fundamentally non-essential nature of the world. You can't just eat once and call it good, you need to keep doing it, because the world keeps spinning and life keeps going, suffering keeps going. So, not-rape in this case would be one of those desired states, and the fact that it shifts and changes (as all things do), and lacks an essential state that you can affix your essence to means that you're in constant turmoil from wanting to be not-raped, because you know the second dialect state intuitively.

There's some aesthetic preferences for what you do about this, and the popular religion version is basically "suffering= bad things", but the spectrum of what suffering constitutes philosophically is much broader. Also the fact that you can have paradoxes in Indian 4-fold logic means that Western answers are hard to proscribe.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:30:22 No.43304043 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304252

>>43303983
Then do something about it, faggot? Go into the woods and go full Unabomber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:30:31 No.43304047 Report Delete

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>>43303924
There's a shit ton of different sects, most of which don't revolve around "being smug all day". Amida Buddhism, for example, promises salvation for just saying the Buddha's name and genuinely wanting to be saved. In fact, ne'er-do-wells were said to be the most likely to achieve salvation because they are less likely to try to achieve inner enlightenment.
Plus you get good aesthetic and literature influenced by Buddhism. Tale of Heike, Journey to the West, Jataka stories. Pretty overlooked by western society, in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:31:41 No.43304066 Report Delete

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>>43303983
Either work toward reducing the net suffering or distance yourself from it. Going on about how shitty life is just makes others more miserable and pissed off.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:34:52 No.43304137 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304252

>>43303983

You're basically being a reverse edgelord right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:38:38 No.43304213 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>tfw you say something too reasonable and no one responds.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:40:17 No.43304252 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304301 >>43304356 >>43304394 >>43304413 >>43304461 >>43304617 >>43305934

>>43304043
There's absolutely nothing I can do to change this reality. It's a damn shame.
>>43304066
It is shitty. And denying it is what people who can't handle it do.
>>43304137
And that's a problem why? If I could fix this world I would in a heart beat. I would love to not have anyone or anything suffer any more. No more enduring no more suffering for anyone. It depresses me that I can't fix this world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:43:20 No.43304301 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304334 >>43304372

>>43304252
>I can do to change this reality
One step at the time. Only living suffer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:44:06 No.43304319 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304364

>>43303983
>It bothers me that people around the world right now are experiencing horrible events and they shouldn't have to.
World is not fair. And it never will be. All we can hope for is to be unfair in our favor. There will always be people suffering, partially because of bad luck, partialy because of their own bad decisions, partially because of other people's malice. There's nothing a single person can do about it on the large scale.
One way about it is to just accept that for a fact and ignore it. That's the easy way.
If you're too kind-hearted for that, focus on helping where you can and be content that there might be some other altruist helping where you can't. And don't think about it too much, that way lies madness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:44:58 No.43304334 Report Delete

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>>43304301
Enough with the edge lord shit. I want everyone to experience a paradise. Not death. Sadly it seems it's not possible yet to make a paradise. You'd basically have to alter the rules of reality itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:46:05 No.43304356 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304372 >>43304390

>>43304252
>And that's a problem why? If I could fix this world I would in a heart beat. I would love to not have anyone or anything suffer any more. No more enduring no more suffering for anyone. It depresses me that I can't fix this world.
The last time I've heard similar spiel it was from a deranged super-villain believing that is there's no life there can be nobody to suffer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:46:37 No.43304364 Report Delete

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>>43304319
I'm going to completely fix it one day. That's the kind thing to do. How is it possible to forget about something that is constant? There's constant suffering.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:47:15 No.43304372 Report Delete

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>>43304301
>Only living suffer.
>>43304356

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:48:46 No.43304390 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304424 >>43304436

>>43304356
Never heard of them. And no that's not the key to no suffering. The key is to change reality itself one day hopefully.
If there's any character who's views I could identify with it would be Madara maybe. His infinite tsukuyomi sounded like a good fix.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:48:58 No.43304394 Report Delete

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>>43304252
>There's absolutely nothing I can do to change this reality. It's a damn shame.

Complaining about RNG is useless. You are on /tg/. You are a gamer. Minmax. You don't have the amount of agency/power that you want? Fuck you. You were dealt a hand, now optimize your play to achieve your victory condition. Or just concede, your choice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:50:26 No.43304413 Report Delete

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>>43304252

there was supposed to be a point in your life a good decade ago, when you were still in grade school, where you feel this way and get over it because you realize the self is a self-perpetuating survival trick of the mind and the reality of things is that while nothing matters, the fictive narration of your own mind will demand that everything matters

so really you have no choice but to care. but if it doesn't affect you, it only technically exists.

then once you pass that point you'll start discovering what human empathy truly means. right now what you have is a pretend sense of empathy that's more rooted in your own selfish attentions, sounds like

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:50:47 No.43304424 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304485

>>43304390
>naruto
That explains so fucking much. Shouldn't you be at school, kid?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:51:35 No.43304436 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304485

>>43304390
>infinite tsukuyomi
one google seach later - is it basically Matrix except running on ninja powers instead of technology?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:53:00 No.43304461 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304470

>>43304252
>And that's a problem why?

Because it's hard to take you seriously when you're nothing but a caricature. All this preaching and whining about the suffering of others and how much you care feels extremely forced.

>If I could fix this world I would in a heart beat.

So would pretty much anyone in this thread. Whoopty doo. You don't see them being special snowflakes about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:53:34 No.43304470 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304508

>>43304461
picture... unrelated?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:54:28 No.43304485 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304628

>>43304424
I don't even watch it. I just typed in virtual world on Google a couple weeks back and it came up with his character. That and some video game character who tries to kill the world because he died and realized the afterlife was better
>>43304436
Yeah basically except i think it's more based on individual desires and has no technical downside to it ( the robots)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:56:01 No.43304508 Report Delete

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>>43304470

Quite the contrary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:01:50 No.43304617 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43304252
So life's shitty, then. Big fucking deal. Maybe we can't fix everything, but we can certainly fix some things. If you only focus on the enormity of a task, you'll never fucking do it.

Create things. Laugh at jokes. Smile at people. Appreciate your family and friends.

And shitpost less.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:02:32 No.43304628 Report Delete

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>>43304485
>some video game character who tries to kill the world because he died and realized the afterlife was better
Kerghan the first necromancer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:03:25 No.43304647 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304690

>>43303108
>Or buddhist.
Actually, death (and reincarnation) sucks in Buddhism, since you're pretty much guaranteed to end up in a shitty place.

The goal of Buddhism is to escape reincarnation, which very few people are able to do.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:06:09 No.43304685 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305446

>>43296007
ask yourself, do you think Firebird or the Moonbitches enjoy never dying?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:06:31 No.43304690 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304776

>>43304647
Isn't there the part that if you did no harm in this life, the next one might not suck so bad?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:10:26 No.43304756 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304845 >>43304862 >>43304910 >>43305968

>>43303829
The answer is that there is no point. There's no point to any of this, to existence or to the pain felt by sentient life. We're a curious accident, a flaw in the coding of the universe that just popped out of the woodwork by a curious series of events. If you're looking for an answer well, there isn't one. All thoughts, philosophy, and morality we construct is completely arbitrary and ultimately worthless in the end.

Dreaming of alternate realities where there is no death and suffering is a pointless venture- it bears no fruit and is merely wasting your time.

But that doesn't make life bad and give you reason to simply slip into death, caring little for yourself or the rest of the world. In absence of truth, any lie you want can be constructed- you are no more wrong or correct than any other human. I'm a miserable human being. I have a host of nasty diseases including a hereditary cancer genetic defect and my life is for all intents and purposes, damned to a miserable existence of continued suffering. But I reject the idea that life is awful or less than anything besides fantastic. As miserable as I may be, I can still step outside and hear bird chirping as the light of the new day cracks through the treeline. If I find a nice girl I can settle down and start a family of my own. There may be pain, but that comes with the joy of life and provides a white canvas to paint the experiences of my life on in glorious psychedelic contrast. Even in the most miserable state of being there are still tiny slivers of joy to reap from life, be you a Congolese diamond miner under the tyranny of King Leopold or a Jew in a Nazi Ghetto. You can be robbed of the things you love, but the love you feel can never be taken.

Now, I may be living in what is false outlook on life, but it's more incorrect than yours, and mine is a far more pleasant view to have. Your best fried died, and you'll never get over that loss, and that's good. You'll never forget what you had together.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:11:55 No.43304776 Report Delete

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>>43304690
Somewhat, but some schools of thought say you'll end up in Naraka (basically Hell) for any sort of Karma you have, and you're pretty much there for a time longer than the life of multiple universes.

So reincarnation is basically guaranteed suffering, and the ideal is to achieve Nirvana (aka escape reincarnation).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:14:44 No.43304817 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304887

>>43296007
If you aren't born biologically immortal then your mind wont be set up to handle it. You'll probably spend a lot of time either bored or really depressed because all your friends died two hundred years ago.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:16:49 No.43304845 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43304756
Woops, I cut down too much and snipped stuff I didn't mean to stuff this into a single post.

>Now, I may be living in what is a false outlook on life, but it's no more incorrect than yours, and mine is a far more pleasant view to have. Your best fried died, and you'll never get over that loss, and that's good. You'll never forget what you had together.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:17:11 No.43304855 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304993 >>43305016 >>43305055

What do you think about a species that cannot die of old age?
What if they have a very violent culture, so most of them die before 30?
What if they never stop growing in size?
What if one of them has been comatose at the bottom of the ocean for the last 80 million years?
What if he's waking up?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:17:30 No.43304862 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304949

>>43304756
>in this moment i am euphoric

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:17:42 No.43304868 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43296035
Deaths not that bad. Dying is usually the bad part. I don't mind dying eventually in a hopefully painless manner but I do plan to last a fair while. I think if science got to the point where they could just keep me alive I would off myself after a couple hundred years or until I got really bored.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:18:21 No.43304887 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304941

>>43304817
The fuck is this shit? You do realize that people can make new friends, right? It may suck that people you love die, but such is the nature of life. On the bright side though you can physically watch your own lineage grow up over the centuries. Unless they're immortal too by genes, meaning you'll have an entire immortal family line.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:19:53 No.43304910 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305116

>>43304756
>I have a host of nasty diseases including a hereditary cancer genetic defect
>If I find a nice girl I can settle down and start a family of my own

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:21:20 No.43304941 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304962 >>43304976 >>43305116

>>43304887
Yeah but making friends is probably a bit harder when you were raised in the nineties and its fucking 2236. I hate people four years younger than me right now.
And even if you did make new friends its always a bit of a dampener when they turn into old people who cant even remember who you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:21:50 No.43304949 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43304862
Actually no, I'm depressed 99% of the time and have to carve out tiny slivers of joy for myself and do my best to enjoy life in every way possible. You have to live in the moment and learn to roll with the punches life throws your way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:22:26 No.43304962 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43304982

>>43304941

Be a sociopath. Problem solved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:23:27 No.43304976 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305005

>>43304941
There always could be other immortals?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:23:39 No.43304982 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43304962
I imagine most immortal people would end up doing just that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:24:07 No.43304993 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43304855
Cthulu rises!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:24:40 No.43305005 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306147

>>43304976
But they might be shits. Shits that will never ever die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:25:15 No.43305016 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305068

>>43304855
>ignoring entropy for the sake of giant enemy crab.
>i'm okay with this.jpg

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:27:59 No.43305055 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305231

>>43304855
Square-cube law, our lord and savior strikes again.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:28:44 No.43305068 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305102 >>43305124 >>43305342

>>43305016
>You are in a bar and this big ass crab slaps your gf's ass. What do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:30:19 No.43305097 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305118 >>43305132 >>43305183

>>43296611
Perfect immortality would allow for space travel though. Who cares if it takes centuries to get from one planet to another, hell the million years between galaxies could be doable. It might not be fun, but you could absolutely travel at whatever speed you felt like, and just hope you never hit a black hole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:30:29 No.43305102 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305068

Crab battle!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:30:52 No.43305107 Report Delete

Quoted By:

http://exhentai.org/g/836061/0c64cf7123/

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:31:21 No.43305116 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305163

>>43304910
IIRC it's now possible to screen out individual sperm cells for cancer for in-vitro. Science!

>>43304941
I only hate children for being children. Adults by their mid twenties tend to be fine as they've smoothed out their bullshit phase.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:31:34 No.43305118 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306189

>>43305097
That sounds like hell. Your mind would collapse on itself.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:31:54 No.43305124 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305159 >>43305258 >>43305304

>>43305068
LET'S DO THIS AAUUuugggh never mind I am just a beta cuck orbiter...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:32:23 No.43305132 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305097
Oh man that would suck unless the whole Sci Fi White Hole thing isn't bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:34:21 No.43305159 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305278

>>43305124
Ahh, physical fitness, whatever. You know, whatever. You do what you like to do, I do what I like to do, ok? 'Cause you're a sucker, you're being fed this line about how, like, you're going to live forever or whatever. You're going to die, someone will kill ya'. Someone will kill you with a knife. Make sure your abs are fricken ripped, you got some good guns. You wanna look good for when you get stabbed with a knife. Sorry, thats how it works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:34:57 No.43305163 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305187 >>43305203

>>43305116
Adults in their mid twenties spend an inordinate amount of time on facebook and shit and watch things like honey boo boo. What would adults in their mid twenties be like in five hundred years? You would have a hard time being able to relate to anyone properly because you were old before their great grand parents were born.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:35:59 No.43305183 Report Delete

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>>43305097
That would be the worst use of immortality in the world. There is no way you could fit enough shit in your ship to stop you going mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:36:12 No.43305187 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305236

>>43305163
>Adults of any age spend an inordinate amount of time on facebook and shit and watch things like honey boo boo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:37:09 No.43305203 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305236

>>43305163
I have never encountered anybody like that. Of course, I also don't look for friends in a trailer park.

Protip, go to college every century to meet new people.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:39:00 No.43305231 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305055
Easily solved

If you have the will

and can psionically enslave your entire race to build you a big ass spacesuit

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:39:10 No.43305236 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305390

>>43305187
True. Imagine what other stupid shit they would come up with given time.
>>43305203
Wouldn't people notice your credentials being slightly out of date? Plus hanging out with a bunch of young adults would probably get really weird by the time you were eighty even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:40:37 No.43305253 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305307

>>43296035
Wow, got the answer in just two posts. This. All these people talking about how "humans aren't meant to live forward hurrdurr" are stupid, their objections are logistical. Its assumed that if someone is immortal that the universe isn't going to die of heat death [or if it does, thats the cap on their lifespan], and that their brain can handle it. Making these objections to immortality is as dumb as bringing up square-cube law in a conversation about how fun it would be to be fifty feet tall. The conversation assumes solutions are found.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:40:55 No.43305258 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305325

>>43305124
I should've done this to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:41:37 No.43305278 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305359

>>43305159
No excuse for not being at least some way fit. Makes you feel way better, never mind how you look.
Could immortal people get fitter? Does their body change after they stop ageing or would they just be locked?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:43:12 No.43305304 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305124
>i'd ravage your ass and take her.
Forget that bitch, how about next round, tiger?~

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:43:23 No.43305307 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305377

>>43305253
>The conversation assumes solutions are found.
No it doesnt. Those end up being a problem in basically any story involving immortal people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:44:14 No.43305325 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305342

>>43305258
The fuck is that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:45:27 No.43305342 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305325
Its the head of this crab monster >>43305068

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:46:32 No.43305359 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305401

>>43305278
It don't matter. None of this matters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:48:00 No.43305377 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305407

>>43305307
No, they don't. No story about immortality assumes that dying of heath death or neurological failure are the downsides of immortality. Its always either arguments about watching other people die or arguments about death giving life meaning or the idea that its just "wrong" for some reason to live forever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:48:44 No.43305390 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305452

>>43305236
I'm pretty sure you could still slip into a community college or simply hang out near it. Although if you want to be cheeky, you could move to a nation that doesn't keep good records at all (like an African or Middle Eastern state), and immigrate to the US or Europe again and apply to go into college.

As for hanging out with young adults, if you're immortal then you're a perpetual young adult too biologically around thirty in years (the prime of your life). Your brain's chemistry and though patterns would stay the same, you wouldn't adopt the same thought patterns as an old man (because part of the old man grumpyness and "those darn kids" is due to aging).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:49:09 No.43305401 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305359
It matters for a while to you. If it doesn't matter why bother telling people it doesn't matter? Why bother do anything? If someone bust into your house and started poking holes in you with a knife things would start mattering real fucking fast.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:49:35 No.43305407 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305485

>>43305377
We all going to die. We like to pretend that it's better that way. Same reason as there are all those cautionary tales about horrors of living without working your ass off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:52:03 No.43305446 Report Delete

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>>43304685
But Moukou and Kaguya will always have each other to hate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:52:28 No.43305452 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305487 >>43305505

>>43305390
You say that but I'm 21 and I already think about how shit people slightly younger than me are. I'm sure you would feel a little bit differently to people if you have had a couple lifetimes experiences when the people you interact with are barely able to cook for themselves and haven't had to learn how to work a washing machine yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:54:27 No.43305485 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305685

>>43305407
Looking at people who didn't work is usually good enough. Excepting the handful of lucky people there isnt anything great about having fuck all money and no job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:54:42 No.43305487 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305536

>>43305452
>You say that but I'm 21 and I already think about how shit people slightly younger than me are.
People slightly younger than you are fucking teenagers, you dipshit. Of course they are shit. You were shit too. Fuck, you still are shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:55:11 No.43305491 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43296440
This only works in retrospect though. Your perception of time never changes, just the novelty of experiences.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:56:13 No.43305505 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305536

>>43305452
Are you talking about some weird future where humanity is so retarded that people can no longer use washing machines, or are you stating that people in their twenties barely know how to use washing machines? Like fuck man, what retards are you hanging out with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:58:18 No.43305536 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305487
You see? You are getting pissed of at someone what? ten years younger than you. Imagine what it would be like in a thousand years.
>>43305505
College students man. You would be amazed at how many people don't even know how to cook properly before they leave the home.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:02:14 No.43305600 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305621

>>43296368
If you can kill yourself you're not immortal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:02:40 No.43305605 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43297141

>He thinks people don't eventually change their minds on things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:02:40 No.43305606 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305645

>>43302212
This guy gets it. Sure, immortality would suck for those who are depressed or have no drive, but being immortal means we WOULD get to explore. Overcrowding wouldn't be an issue, because slower than light travel would be perfectly viable.

>>43296007
There's a manga called UQ Holder that treats immortality favorably. It's not really a central theme of the story, but it is pretty favorably shown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:03:15 No.43305619 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43308642

>>43296416
>If otherwise lived identically and both well, a life of one day longer is better than that of a life one day shorter.
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:03:28 No.43305621 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305665

>>43305600

Immortality and invincibility aren't always the same thing, bruh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:04:49 No.43305645 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306303

>>43305606
Would it be super boring though? Wouldn't it take years before you even left the solar system?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:05:30 No.43305656 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43308734

>>43298474
But I know that there is real immortality, that my atman will continue to function for an infinite duration, and that whatever shaky glimpses scientists make, there has been and always will be substance beyond the material. So I'm not depressed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:05:57 No.43305665 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305621
If you can be killed, you are mortal. Being subject to death is the literal meaning of the word "mortal"

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:07:11 No.43305683 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43296086
>I won't tell you the downsides but they're totally there
nah

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:07:11 No.43305684 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43296839
No response tho.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:07:14 No.43305685 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305725 >>43305734

>>43305485
>there isnt anything great about having fuck all money and no job.
You can always find something to do. Occasional boredom of not knowing what to do with yourself beats working on 8 hour shifts in a factory or working off your hands on a field.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:09:08 No.43305725 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305685
If you actually worked hard for a few years you could get yourself an easy well paid job and afford to dick about with things that entertain you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:09:32 No.43305734 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305685
Starving to death because you can't afford to eat doesn't beat much of anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:13:29 No.43305807 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43297634
>things have meaning before people give them meaning
Nope. According to your logic, anything not inherently natural is wrong.
>if man was meant to live 80 years instead of dying at 30 like everyone in the stone ages he would have been built for it
This is you

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:14:08 No.43305826 Report Delete

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>>43302773
>Whenever someone uses the word "should", it means they're spewing their opinions.
If you procure a sample of vinegar and a sample of baking soda and mix them, you should see a visible reaction. Unless one of your samples is bad, or there is some other contributing factor.

But please anon, tell me how you get your world to work in absolutes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:15:46 No.43305858 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43298776
>sucking at life this bad
If you're not enjoying life, you're absolute shit at it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:19:50 No.43305934 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305976 >>43306015

>>43304252
>pretending to have this much of a savior complex
Stop. Just stop. If you truly believed the amount of shit you've been spouting through this thread to the degree you've been claiming, then you'd be out and about dedicating your whole life to stopping it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:20:40 No.43305954 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43305980 >>43305988

>>43296007
Proper immortality, the never-dying-never-ending kind, IS bad. All things end, to go against that is the most unnatural thing anyone can do. I fully believe that an immortal human would end up a monster by our standards, given enough time.

What people actually want is extreme longevity. Not all the time in the world, just to do everything you'd want to do or need to do. Thousands of years instead of millions. Imagine being able to die on your own terms, for a noble cause or as sweet release. As things sit right now, people are far too short sighted because they're aware that time is running out. Time is always running out.

This is why we must become machines, not to live forever, but to live long enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:21:30 No.43305968 Report Delete

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>>43304756
>We're a curious accident, a flaw in the coding of the universe that just popped out of the woodwork by a curious series of events
We're not a flaw, an accident, or anything on purpose. We just are.
The universe doesn't have a will, therefore it cannot have 'accidents' or do anything on 'purpose.'

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:21:51 No.43305976 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306005 >>43307300

>>43305934

No, but you see, he can't save everyone, so it isn't worth to save anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:22:04 No.43305980 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305954
>All things end
Except that one jellyfish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:22:38 No.43305988 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43305954

>implying that machines last long.

Dude, it's all about nanomachines, and biology has that shit on lock-down.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:22:39 No.43305989 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306027

>>43303724
So what? If he'd been immortal, they wouldn’t need to lose him. You seem to be denying your own argument with all of these posts about how death is so bad. If humanity had functional immortality, there would be no permanent loss. The worst you'd suffer is an injury that takes you out till you can get fixed up. Or growing apart from someone, though that leaves the possibility of meeting them again centuries later. Despite your statements, your argument seems to be in favor of immortality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:23:51 No.43306005 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307300

>>43305976
That just makes him lazy (and thus not actually caring enough as he says) or lying about his intentions (and thus not actually caring enough as he says).
He's just pretending to be something he's not for whatever reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:24:17 No.43306015 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306051

>>43305934
Why? Whining about it takes way less work and you can still feel like a messiah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:24:55 No.43306027 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306356

>>43305989
If humanity had functional immortality there wouldn't be any room. And deaths not bad, its just sad sometimes. How you get there can suck though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:26:37 No.43306051 Report Delete

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>>43306015
>Whining about it takes way less work and you can still feel like a messiah
This. It's abundantly clear he's just having his stupid little fantasy in his head about his christ complex when in reality, he's being a roleplaying faggot as much as those rp threads.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:28:25 No.43306075 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Who here Hob Motherfucking Galding?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:32:50 No.43306147 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306201

>>43305005
So? Rivals and enemies are more fulfilling than friends. A friend will make you content, a rival will give you someone to strive against down the centuries, a reason to do more than sit and watch the news.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:35:56 No.43306184 Report Delete

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>>43296007
Depends if you're talking about immortality for the individual or immortality for a civilization/species.

Depending on how exactly things are handled, immortality could be awesome or awful for the individual.

For society and the world at large though, immortality is bad. Death is life's equivalent to a countdown clock.

Because Death means that not only do compromises, guesses, imperfections, and unfinished work have to be approved/done, but also that creators/people don't have to deal with ALL the consequences of their actions.

Immortality = no risk, and nothing can be done with no risk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:36:10 No.43306188 Report Delete

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>>43297693
Humanity survived literally living inside the sorrow zone of dance macabre.
Immortality isn't that bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:36:10 No.43306189 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306261

>>43305118
Don't travel alone. Go mad, and then cure yourself. Repeat at will, you've got all the time in forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:36:53 No.43306201 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306389

>>43306147
They might not be enemies, they might just be people you don't like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:37:33 No.43306212 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306261

People here keep stating that there will be no room, when there is already functional (if highly inefficient) space travel.

If all of us were to become immortal, then it will only serve to galvanize global leaders to increase development in space travel, just for the sole purpose of relocating the now exponentially growing human population.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:39:12 No.43306242 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306323

How do you define "immortality?"

Let's be honest: aging is, at it's core, a DISEASE. Your bones start creaking, your muscles start to deteriorate, your ability to digest food starts losing efficiency, your control over your bowels disappears, your blood vessels start clotting, your hair falls out... it is, plain and simple, a sickness that we all happen to suffer from. How could a cure for this possibly be considered a bad thing?
It's not like everyone would suddenly live forever; gunshots, viruses, and blood clotting from too much fast food would all be just as lethal as before. People would die, and they would die often. This would simply slow the rate of death.

Yes, there are problems with immortality, matters of the psyche and such. However, it is the risk of going mad eventually, versus the certainty of death by a certain point. Low Odds are better than no chance at all.

tl,dr: You think death is great and necessary for life? Wonderful!
YOU FIRST.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:40:15 No.43306261 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306341

>>43306189
How do you cure yourself of madness? Traveling with other people means you have to deal with other people who will probably go mad. Could end up throwing you out the ship or something.
>>43306212
Yeah whats an ever increasing number of people supposed to do on a big space ship for a couple hundred years? Where do they get the food for one thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:42:45 No.43306297 Report Delete

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>>43299085
>They can't even hope for a rich relative to die, because nobody dies
So society fixes its core structural issues and everyone was happy after?
Nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:43:16 No.43306303 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306378 >>43306554

>>43305645
Build a big ass ship then. Get a few immortal buddies to go with you. Have a greenhouse so you can grow resources and make new instruments to master. Do thousands of research projects. Make stop off to get more resources. You're literally only limited by how much effort you want to put into something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:44:21 No.43306323 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306709

>>43306242
Age is inbuilt. Everything dies and thats fine. If things didn't die than other things couldn't live. If things stayed the same nothing would be able to change.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:45:39 No.43306341 Report Delete

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>>43306261
Woah man, dont run before you can crawl.
Start with lunar, orbital and martian habitats. Branch out to our other neigboring planets.

Of course, all the while, the UN and co. needs to ramp up research on interstellar travel. The only way to sustain an ever increasing human population is ever increasing expansion.

Mine the asteriod belt and build arkships. Freeze the inhabitants and send them if FTL cant be reached.

Read The Commonwealth Saga. They managed to make rejuvenation tech that can make someone younger, and neural recording chips that allows you to be cloned back with full memories up to the time your mind was saved.
Granted, they also had very efficient wormhole tech, so expansion was a breeze to them

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:47:13 No.43306356 Report Delete

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>>43306027
>implying humanity doesn't have a deep-seated need to explore. We'd have other planets in our solar system settled by now, and be well on our way to other stars. We could afford to take the time to build ships that would hold a 100 million people a pop, and scatter them to the stars.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:49:22 No.43306378 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306464

>>43306303
Where would you stop to get new things? What do you do if you cant reach anything else in time? What happens if the crew has a falling out? They cant get away from each other. You master a hundred instruments, great now what? Anything else you think of is just a variation of another one. What would you research? What happens when your research is halted because you find out you need new gear and you dont have the ability to build it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:49:55 No.43306389 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306428 >>43306464 >>43306726

>>43306201
Then you become their enemy. Spend a century subtly thwarting their every project. Then gloat about it to them. Then offer them a century armistice, followed by your plans for the beginning of the century after that. MAKE them your enemy.

You have centuries for grudges, so why not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:52:14 No.43306428 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306464 >>43306534

>>43306389
What do you do if they don't have any projects? What if they spend a hundred years just chilling out having an opinion that offends you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:54:26 No.43306464 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306493

>>43306428
>>43306389
>>43306378
You could just freeze yourselves, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:56:40 No.43306493 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306525

>>43306464
Freezing yourself would be incredibly painful assuming you are the type of immortal that cant die from injuries. If you weren't it would just kill you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:58:59 No.43306525 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306555

>>43306493
It would hurt a lot for the parts just before the cold slows down your bodily functions to a snail's pace and the time immediately after the defrosting. In the inbetween you wont be thinking anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 22:59:38 No.43306534 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306609

>>43306428
Then ignore them and find something better to do. You have all the time in the universe and then some. Why are you worrying about ennui when you haven't done even a sixteenth of a thousandth of everything.
Hell spend a decade alone somewhere, then reimmerse yourself in society, however long it takes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:00:55 No.43306554 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306659

>>43306303
You are aware that if one were to be on a ship with a few friends for basically eternity, that we'd get to know each other better and better until we knew everything about each other. At that point, we'd be lovers without the fucking (or maybe with the fucking, you never know).

I'm not comfortable with that level of intimacy because then I'd stop being me- an individual with their own specific thoughts, feelings, and perspective. If you say the friend(s) wouldn't care/remember, then they're not really friends- they're toys/pets/complex equations of actions and reactions.

Give a group immortality, and they eventually coagulate mentally into one being, lead by the individual who was the smartest and thus best at interacting with people- the rest become cells/limbs of the new organism.

I wouldn't find any joy being part of a collective or leading one. I value my own individuality and the rights of others to theirs to desire a collective.

And that's what an immortal group would become- a collective/hive mind.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:01:06 No.43306555 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306593

>>43306525
Yeah because all your brain cells were ruptured by ice. I'd rather shoot myself in the head and wait for my brain to fix itself. At least I would be out faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:02:59 No.43306593 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306633

>>43306555
Actually, assuming the immortality thing can repair your body from grievous harm ala wolverine/deadpool, shooting yourself in the head would be a viable replacement for cyrosleep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:03:58 No.43306609 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306652

>>43306534
A decade alone sounds lonely as fuck and the prospect of trying to interact with people after missing ten years of developments does not sound appealing. You might not be interested in everything. You ever murder someone? You ever take up extreme stone stacking? Does learning to be good at maths appeal to you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:05:30 No.43306633 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306691

>>43306593
Depends on how long it takes. Depends on if you are really out at all. I mean you already defy biology, whos to say you wont just stay conscious like a vampire or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:06:24 No.43306652 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306694

>>43306609
That really depends on the person. There have been hermits and monks that have been alone, or at least relatively isolated, for longer periods of time.

Granted, Im one of those loner weirdos, so my opinion is hardly objective at that point. I'd love to be alone innawoods with only the internet for human contact, and some animal pets

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:06:49 No.43306659 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306691

>>43306554
Or they would get real sick of each others shit and beat the bejesus out of each other for years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:08:33 No.43306691 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306707

>>43306633
And thus it boils down to that fact.

We have no fucking clue what kind of immortality we are dicking about here. We need the methodology and functionality of the damn thing if we are to plan for its downsides.

>>43306659
That works too, with a century or so of peace time once the beating each other phase gets boring

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:08:59 No.43306694 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306807

>>43306652
Those hermits didn't exactly plan to hang out with people afterwards like normal again usually. They dedicated their life to being a hermit. Dedicating your life to something is a bit harder when it never ends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:10:05 No.43306707 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306807 >>43306877

>>43306691
Or they could vent someone out of the ship. Or think up plenty or really nasty situations to leave someone undying in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:10:12 No.43306709 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306818

>>43306323
>if things didn't die then other things couldn't live
So, if your parents didn't die, you wouldn't be able to live? There's a finite amount of "life" energy in the universe, and we need to keep it flowing by allowing people to die?
>if things stayed the same nothing would be able to change
So, humans are inherently static? You are the same person you were ten years ago, and the person you will be ten years from now will be the same? Bullshit. Humans learn from experience, we change based upon what we experience. The whole technological revolution we have been going through in the past 200 years, and are still experiencing today, comes as a direct result of people living longer. And you think extending it further will not do the same?

Death is inevitable, yes, but that doesn't make putting it off a bad thing. Pretty much everything in creation, from viruses to chemicals to extreme temperatures to the vacuum of space, is constantly trying to kill us. Life is fragile beyond measure compared to the number of scenarios where it can simply no longer continue. How is removing the one thing that's killed more people than anything else a bad thing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:11:13 No.43306726 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306958

>>43306389
>A bunch of immortals having centuries long feuds over essentially nothing which they treat with the utmost seriousness because they got bored and playing rival to each other is fun

I really like this, the idea of an entire group of immortals treating every interaction with each other with as much melodrama as they possibly can because it keeps their relationships interesting and prevents them from getting bored with each other. And because it's entertaining to watch other peoples reactions to their constant over-reacting and dramatization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:16:48 No.43306807 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306843

>>43306694
Point taken.
So once humanity reaches immortality, we all become hermits on some random planet, terraform it and raise a new race of sentients, all the while watching and interfering for some entertainment.

>>43306707
Think of the long run. Your immortal. If your start venting the only potential breaks of monotony on your ship, what the fuck are you supposed to do now your all alone? At least the fighting was distracting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:17:43 No.43306818 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307023 >>43307068

>>43306709
If a deer didn't die there would be no food for the hunter to eat. If animals didn't die their nutrients wouldn't go into the soil to feed plants and their bodies would not break down into the fuel we need. If a monkey never died there would be no reason for evolution to occur and change it into a human.
If bad people never died they would be there to inflict pain and suffering on people for ever. If people couldn't die some would inevitably get themselves in situations where death would be preferable but impossible.
You think ebola is bad now? Imagine how bad it is when it effects you but it cant finish you off. Imagine being stuck in a cave in in a mine for weeks while people try to find your body. Imagine catching AIDs and waiting for a cure while your body is basically rotten from the inside out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:19:48 No.43306843 Report Delete

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>>43306807
Think of it this way. You are still a person, you can still have fits of rage and make bad decisions like anyone else. Maybe you just cant take sam being such a dick anymore and you just never want to see him again for the few minutes it takes you to kick him into space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:22:19 No.43306877 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43306916

>>43306707
Yea, and thus is born your immortal grudge, motivating you when boredom doesn’t.

I really think you're just not the right sort of person for immortality, anon. Immortal life would be a constant game against the universe, with every other immortal being sometimes a friend, sometimes an enemy. It sounds perfect to me. Time is the resource we have the least of, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:25:19 No.43306916 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307161

>>43306877
Sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me. I don't want to have to worry about some asshole setting fire to my house because I swiped the last doughnut a hundred years ago. I don't want to spend my time dicking people over in the first place, not even ones I don't like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:28:37 No.43306958 Report Delete

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>>43306726
This is how a good Vampire: the Requiem game is supposed to be. That's exactly what the requiem is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:33:30 No.43307023 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307070

>>43306818
>It's not like everyone would suddenly live forever; gunshots, viruses, and blood clotting from too much fast food would all be just as lethal as before. People would die, and they would die often. This would simply slow the rate of death.
Right there in my first post, mang. Immortality as in never aging; death will never go away. We simply slow it down, give ourselves more time to do the things we want to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:36:52 No.43307068 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307091

>>43306818
>not knowing that AIDS has been cured for years.
Even late stage sufferers have relapsed and made at least partial recoveries. We haven't yet cured HIV, so they're still carriers, and could relapse without the drugs, but the rotting away bit doesn’t happen any more. Ebola is another one where we can treat it, if you can survive to get treatment. If you were alive but suffering, you'd absolutely be able to recover. Assuming we aren't talking about invincible immortals, anything short of complete cellular destruction is survivable in the fullness of time. Trapped in a mine? Assuming you are in there as a miner, eventually you'll be able to tunnel your way out. It'd suck, and it might take longer than any of us are comfortable contemplating, but you'd do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:36:59 No.43307070 Report Delete

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>>43307023
You know if people just didn't age wouldn't they never be born? How would you go from a fetus to a baby if you didnt age? Is it just a selective process? It really needs to be specified exactly what is entailed. In some types of immortality you cant die at all, in some you stop ageing but can still die and in others you continue to age but it doesn't kill you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:38:34 No.43307091 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307148

>>43307068
I mean that shit collapsed on top of you, not the exit is blocked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:43:12 No.43307148 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307191 >>43307201

>>43307091
Well, you use what moving bits you have to start carving your own tunnel out. It might take months or even years. Your immortal, you got time.

What would suck is if your cemented head to foot in a barrel and chucked into the ocean. The best you can hope for is the water breaking the cement and you popping out or getting dragged into a trench, going into the crust and get spat out by a volcano. Now that will take thousands if not millions of years. But then again, your immortal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:44:03 No.43307161 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307201

>>43306916
Why not? They're just things.
And setting fire to your house would be incredibly heavy handed for that.
I'd think something more like slowly repainting the colors in your house, so that it goes from like yellow to blue over a century without you noticing would be more appropriate. And then come visit and point out that it's a completely different color, and ask when you painted it.

Come on now, it's not really revenge if you can't be mocked to your face about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:46:07 No.43307191 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43307148
Exactly.

Besides, I bet they pull Dallas up in a couple centuries. He'll have plenty of time to reform.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:46:48 No.43307201 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307249

>>43307148
Yeah and you would probably spend a few of those years wishing you weren't.
>>43307161
Becoming immortal wont make people suddenly subtle you know. They could just as easily bust into your house and shoot all your friends because, hey, they dont really matter, they would die on their own soon enough anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:48:20 No.43307223 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307243 >>43307286

I have an NPC who's immortal. As in absolutely immortal. He's just a regular human dude that cannot die whatsoever. Completely moderate stats across the board because he has no drive to improve. The guy is notably bleak and just shrugs off extremely dire situations.

He badmouths the PCs, calls them out non-chalantly on their bullshit and just raises an eyebrow when they stab the shit out of him. Lived through the big crunch and the big bang a few times, always manages through fate or magic to wind up back on a world with humans on it.

He basically regenerates at the same speed he's damaged so he still feels pain, it's just that after feeling the end and beginning of the Universe kinda messed with his perceptions of pain.

Another sorta immortal basically is able to remember all his past-lives and is a sort of asshole scientist, extremely jaded by the nature of things and remembering a few lives that were meaningless and short or seemed to be going nowhere forever.

Who has it worse?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:49:59 No.43307243 Report Delete

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>>43307223
The second guy sounds like that dude from wakfu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:50:31 No.43307249 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307306

>>43307201
Yea, and if you're the dumbass who isn't prepared for that, then oh well. Someone could burst on and shoot all your friends now. You're not bringing up any negatives that don't already exist.

We get that you don't see the appeal of immortality, but many of us do. You saying it's wrong is like saying you don't see the appeal of blow jobs because you don't like them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:53:08 No.43307286 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307340

>>43307223
I'd say neither one has it bad off. Though the second one might dislike having to grow up again and again and having to regain power before being able to continue his pursuits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:54:22 No.43307300 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307336 >>43307346

>>43305976
This 100%
Why does it matter if I help one or two or even one hundred people. They're just going to suffer when things come around that I physically can't stop like deaths of loved ones or injuries due to accidents.
I basically desire to rework the rules of reality so that no body has to suffer or lose anything ever again
I hope that in 50 or so years it will start to be more possible
>>43306005
Not lazy because it is literally not possible at this current moment to stop people from suffering. Hell there was an earthquake today and it killed about 300 people near India and Pakistan. Was there any possible way anyone could stop it? No . If I could stop it would I? Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:54:39 No.43307306 Report Delete

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>>43307249
Someone could bust in and shoot all my friends now, but at least he didn't do it because he had a millennia old grudge against me and he cant do it again two hundred years down the line. I don't want to have to have to prepare for mortal enemies dicking me over because thats the only way to keep myself entertained.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:57:07 No.43307336 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307389

>>43307300
If you don't actually work to save people then you are not responsible for any of the changes that actually do help people because you said why bother.
Other people will have saved everyone while you sat there day dreaming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:57:20 No.43307340 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307365 >>43307384

>>43307286

Well, he usually got around that by disciplining himself to get motor function to type and use tools quicker from earlier ages. Still pain in the ass trying to build junk-loading rail blunderbusses at age 10.

I would however point out that being able to survive and experience spaghettification would, scientifically speaking, suck major nuts tbh fam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:57:39 No.43307346 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43307300
>00

You critically fail your fellowship roll.
Your fellow board members now think you're just a whiney kid who is so disconnected from reality that you opinion has no meaning, and just feeds plants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 23:58:59 No.43307365 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307463

>>43307340
Technically both of them will have experienced it fully. Just one of them takes longer to heal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:00:12 No.43307384 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307463

>>43307340
Oh, idk. It might be fun, especially if he can remember it all and stands in different poses, just to see how it affects the following universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:00:33 No.43307389 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43307420 >>43307897

>>43307336
Let's take the earthquake example. No one has been saved. the people that died of the earthquake died. All that the people that are going into help are doing is providing food and water and shelter to make it easier on those that survived. they are by no means saving them. Just helping them.
Also I don't get why everyone has some stick up there ass over stuff I've said. Yes it's a bit of a pipe dream but there's nothing wrong with saying that if you could you would have a paradise where humans and animals didn't have to endure pain and grief anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:02:56 No.43307420 Report Delete

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>>43307389
Maybe if you actually did something you could have developed a way to detect where earthquakes are going to happen.
We wont ever know though because you said why bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:05:55 No.43307463 Report Delete

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>>43307365
I don't know if number 2 (Doc Lang) experienced it FULLY. It was probably a fraction of a split second and then out of the birth canal again. Number 1 (Mr. Black) has to sit around every single time.

>>43307384
Funny you should mention, it was brought up once and he said that the he's actually attempted wishing happy thoughts so it somehow speeds up the process by landing him closer to where people evolved. He thinks the technique works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:43:23 No.43307897 Report Delete

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>>43307389
Nobody is upset about you wanting "a paradise where humans and animals didn't [suffer]." People are upset with your chain of logic, "I can't have everything my way; therefore, it is pointless to do anything to help anyone ever."

Maybe you feel like you have to defend stupid things that you've said, but you don't. You actually win by admitting your previous viewpoint is wrong and correcting your beliefs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:47:04 No.43307945 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43308041

>>43297767
>you don't really want to be the one whose words could be easily interpreted as "all religions are now obsolete" or "the only way for you to survive is to join Immortalist Party"
Religion is already obsolete, and evil besides since it declares that a human's rightful place is a slave to some innately superior being. And if the Immortalist Party are the ones who have access to whatever method is used because they were the ones who cared enough to develop it, yup, you probably will have to join them to enjoy the benefits. Why should they give the fruits of their labor away for free?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:55:46 No.43308041 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43308068

>>43307945
Religion has it's place. It teaches people how to interact in a society. The problem is when it's taken beyond metaphor and people start taking it literally.

Also, many of the details are incompatible with modern society. But basics like most of the 10 commandments are universal, that's why you see them echoed throughout the world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:58:17 No.43308068 Report Delete

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>>43308041
Cult collecting anon here. I agree with this. Also, if you want more reliable connections, join a more obscure and harder to follow religion. Enduring the same trials builds camaraderie like you wouldn't believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 01:55:51 No.43308642 Report Delete

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>>43305619
More of one thing without less of another thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 02:06:04 No.43308734 Report Delete

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>>43305656
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