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/srg/ Shadowrun General: Spooky Spirit Edition

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:09:07 No.43356825 View Reply Report Delete

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Old Thread >>43336407

Thread topic: Spirits. How do you use them in your game? Any free spirits running around? What's your favourite tradition for spirit flavour?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:12:30 No.43356896 Report Delete

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Question, /srg/; what kind of spirits do Abrahamic traditions use?

I'm going to be making a mage, probably Christian Theurge but maybe Jewish. I know that there are groups generally opposed to spirits, but if I call them, what would they be like?

Would a Christian mage call literal saints? I don't want to do the whole 'freaky old testament angels'. Similarly, would a Jewish mage think he was calling specific spirits into his golems, or would they just be animated by God?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:16:35 No.43356979 Report Delete

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>>43356896

There is the concept that the spirits take on shapes appropriate to your Tradition, rather than them just waiting around for the right person to call them.

That is to say, a Hermetic mage, a Shaman, a Voodoo priest, and a Shinto priest may all inadvertantly happen to summon the same Water spirit, but it looks different each time.

That being said... Yeah, angels, cupids, and things of the like are probably what you're going to end up with.

For Jewish, probably a mixture? God sending a spirit to animate it?

CAPCHA, THAT IS A SNOWCONE, NOT ICECREAM

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:22:38 No.43357072 Report Delete

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>>43356979
I get the metaphysical-theological argument about whether you are actually calling specific entities, or calling forces that are shaped by the user's expectations.

I was more curious about what a Christian Theurge specifically might believe he was summoning. There are no Spirits of Man for them in 4e, and I don't know what to associate with the elements other than 'Angel with flaming sword, big wheel with eyes, etc.' It feels like a cop-out to just shove weird Old Testament imagery into such an important part of a character because I can't think about what a Lutheran from Atlanta might summon.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:24:59 No.43357111 Report Delete

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Time to probably start an argument.

If you have cyberware running off wireless for whatever reason- say, Wired Reflexes- how do you actually activate them, motion/control-wise? It's a complex action, so it has to be more involved than just a mental command, and most other stuff is simple actions downgraded to free by wireless. Which should honestly be free by default since it has to be hooked into your nervous system to work properly anyway, but CGL can't write

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:26:39 No.43357145 Report Delete

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>>43357111
Your AR interface provided through your commlink-managed PAN?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:26:41 No.43357148 Report Delete

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>>43357111
Without wireless* not off wireless

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:27:44 No.43357171 Report Delete

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>>43357072

You could believe that you were summoning Demons, and using them to try to 'Get some good out of their wicked lives'

But the spirits might not like those implications.

Nothing says that an angel can't look like their element. Get a blue angel with water for wings, or a firey one with a blazing wingspan.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:29:32 No.43357196 Report Delete

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>>43357111
I always imagined that it was you taking a second to go through the wake-up program in your head. Especially for something like Wired Reflexes, there's probably a bunch of safeguards to prevent you from accessing it unintentionally, which is a good safety figure for regular people but undivided attention is hard to come by in a firefight.

Wireless on means that it's already idling, interfacing with your other 'ware and waiting for the final trigger.

my dwarf once had a used control rig where he had to say aloud "orange exploding bananas" before it would work.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:32:23 No.43357244 Report Delete

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>>43357196
Laputan Machine

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:33:34 No.43357267 Report Delete

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Anyone wanna critique my homebrew?

http://pastebin.com/Ga1tRtHp

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:34:39 No.43357293 Report Delete

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>>43357267
darude/10

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:35:25 No.43357307 Report Delete

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>>43357171
The thing is, I know that there's probably something in Christian theology/mythology/angelology that would probably fit better than 'angels with element themes'. It's workable, but it feels like it's underselling the uniqueness of choosing Christian Theurgy instead of, say, Shamanic.

Really, I'm just hoping there's a religious studies professor who follows /srg/ who can help.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:36:19 No.43357325 Report Delete

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the 5e rules say more than half 1s under the glitching section, but the example under Gremlins assumes exactly half?

What's the correct rule and what's Catalyst's piss-poor copyediting?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:36:54 No.43357341 Report Delete

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>>43357244
You monster.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:37:50 No.43357360 Report Delete

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>>43357307
I'm away from my books right now, but Gremlins reduces the necessary 1s for a glitch to occur by it's level. It's likely the example is taking this into account.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:39:56 No.43357401 Report Delete

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>>43357360
I get what it does. But the math is wrong, and repeatedly wrong in the same way. That's why I'm asking.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:40:19 No.43357412 Report Delete

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>>43357360
No, it's not that easy:

>For each level (maximum of 4), reduce the number of rolled 1s necessary to get a glitch (p. 45) by 1 whenever the character is attempting to use a moderately sophisticated device. For example, a character with a dice pool of 8 and Gremlins level 2 (8 Karma) would trigger a glitch if two or more 1s result from the test (instead of the normal 4).

also you quoted the wrong guy

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:43:42 No.43357491 Report Delete

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>>43357401
>>43357360
Here are the quotes I'm confused about:

>If more than half the dice you rolled show a one, then you’ve got problems. This is called a glitch.

>For example, a character with a dice pool of 8 and Gremlins level 2 (8 Karma) would trigger a glitch if two or more 1s result from the test (instead of the normal 4).

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:43:54 No.43357496 Report Delete

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>>43357412
I get that it only works on electronic devices, and sorry about the wrong quote.

>>43357401
As I said, I can't double check myself, but it's a lot likelier the guy writing the example messed up than the one writing the rule itself, although it's possible any of both did.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:47:36 No.43357558 Report Delete

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>>43357293
Nice

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:52:29 No.43357653 Report Delete

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>>43357491
It's not changed in errata as far as I can tell, but I know in 4e it was phrased 'if at least half the dice roll ones', and the specific example in Gremlins is the only one where you can see a full breakdown of what qualifies as a glitch.

So it looks like they just fucked up the description of glitches, and it should be 'at least half'.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:53:16 No.43357678 Report Delete

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>>43357171
>Get a blue angel
Early depictions of Lucifer used the colour blue. FWIW.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:01:27 No.43357898 Report Delete

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>>43356896
>what kind of spirits do Abrahamic traditions use?
Angels/demons. Think King Solomon.

>Would a Christian mage call literal saints?
Only when calling Spirits of Man.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:10:16 No.43358077 Report Delete

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>>43357653
Yeah, I checked and there's no errata on any of this (or a lot of other things for that matter, there is way less errata than there needs to be.)

But the Gremlins section here looks like it was basically copy pasted from 4e, and the 5e rules were written that way specifically, so I'd be more inclined to go the other way.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:23:46 No.43358338 Report Delete

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>>43356896

Literal Saints are possible if they're catholic or orthodox, more likely to be angelic or demonic if protestant though.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:39:18 No.43358613 Report Delete

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Here's my 2nd SR char ever

he's an infiltrator/face phys ad. for a character concept, i was thinking an someone who favors pistols, probably ex-military (i wanted to see if a build where a person always went for head shots was viable). kind of high(er) class.

i'd like some feedback on any mechanical holes in my build, better/rearranged skills or attributes, gear i may be missing or can forget

idk, any feedback at all would be much appreciated

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:04:56 No.43359058 Report Delete

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Question /srg/

What fun runs would you give to a group of murder hobos?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:10:04 No.43359148 Report Delete

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>>43356896
My Christian Theurge is Old Testament.

He summons Behemoth(Fire), Leviathan(Water), Zyzz(Air), Seraphs(Fire), and Cherubs(Guidance)

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:11:33 No.43359172 Report Delete

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>>43359148
Behemoth is Earth imi a dumbass.

Also yes all of these are in the old testament.

Although Zyzz was excluded from the Bible he did exist in earlier Jewish Texts.

Zyzz stood on the back of Leviathan and his neck reaches the Skies.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:12:49 No.43359196 Report Delete

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>>43359058

Johnson needs you to destroy a robot that's gone full Terminator.

Turns out the robot was a new security model, and the Johnson wanted to test it against actual runners, because he thought "Running simulations isn't real enough to REALLY test the Security bot's AI"

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:14:55 No.43359230 Report Delete

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sup/srg/

Does it kind of bug anyone else that technology has barely progressed in SR within 30 years? Are there any fan made splats floating around that deal with the issue or has that just never really been a thing?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:20:10 No.43359324 Report Delete

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>>43359058
Ghoul problem in a small town. A bunch of people got HMHVV and have gone feral. Knight Errant has managed to cordon off the surrounding area on pretext of a chemical spill, but the problem isn't Firewatch-worthy so they have hired your runners to go in there, stomp the ghouls, rescue any survivors, and grab some data from the labs.

Ares was experimenting with HMHVV, and they're not sure if the lab did anything to the infection vector, which is why they're sending in runners to clean it up

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:23:01 No.43359371 Report Delete

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>>43359196
Damn it, Syndrome, just because you have a private island does not make you a megacorp!

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:26:57 No.43359441 Report Delete

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>>43359371

HOW DO YOU THINK I GOT THAT PRIVATE ISLAND!?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:27:53 No.43359456 Report Delete

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>>43359230
>Does it kind of bug anyone else that technology has barely progressed in SR within 30 years?
No. Shadowrun is literally post-apocalyptic, and new apocalypses are coming constantly as well. The fact that it's progressed literally at all - in the face of losing literally 25% of the world's population, two separate Crashes, massive ecological and political disasters, and so forth - is basically a fucking miracle.

Also, what the fuck do you mean 'barely progressed?' I think you have an absurdly skewed idea of what was actually around in 1e/2e.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:29:55 No.43359494 Report Delete

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>>43359441
Just because you told everyone Ryumyo lived there and they should stay away, does not mean that you own it. You're B-rating at best, and your weird vendetta against PhysAds in not helping.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:30:17 No.43359502 Report Delete

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>>43359456
We've been consistently using the same ware and general running gear through three editions now.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:32:17 No.43359544 Report Delete

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>>43359502
No, we definitely have not. Even much of the stuff that shares a name from previous editions is actually radically different or has a much-advanced description compared to old editions.

Also, the past three editions have barely covered more than an in-setting decade, not 30 years.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:35:07 No.43359588 Report Delete

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>>43359544
I mean, we've seen the birth, rise, and serious injury to the nanotech and genetech industries just over the past few years. Things are changing pretty rapidly for folks out there.

That anon has no idea what's going on.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:35:22 No.43359591 Report Delete

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>>43359544
So where's the surge in lasers, why is lonestar still using jazz inhalers of all things and where are my exo skeletons and railguns.

Cause we have that shit now. .

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:38:19 No.43359648 Report Delete

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>>43359591
Lasers are implied to be just around the corner; the first models are already getting field testing by Ares teams. Jazz is still used because it's cheap and easy (there are tailored drugs and bioware the officers could use, but they don't have the budget/desire to get those). You've got milspec suits and in fiction there are military vehicles with railguns.

And we don't have any of those things, at least to the extent that they work in Shadowrun.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:39:59 No.43359678 Report Delete

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>>43359648
Lasers have been "just around the corner" since at least 2e.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:40:49 No.43359690 Report Delete

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>>43359591
>So where's the surge in lasers
Lasers turned out to be not that great. Not everything advances the way people hope.

>why is lonestar still using jazz inhalers
Because it's absurdly effective, the same reason we still have IRL fighter pilots use amphetamines in real life.

>where are my exo skeletons and railguns
In Hardened Armor and 'not in runner hands,' respectively.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:42:55 No.43359722 Report Delete

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>>43359494

Hey! Any man without any form of 'ware who can punch through a reinforced concrete wall NEEDS to be dealt with!

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:46:08 No.43359775 Report Delete

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>>43359591
For a second I thought you said jizz inhalers
ANd I got all excited for nothing

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:46:21 No.43359779 Report Delete

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>>43358613

Rating 4 Combat sense is pretty high. I'd drop it down to 1 or 2 and use the PP for some talky Adept powers.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:55:56 No.43359931 Report Delete

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>>43359058
Corporate Johnson sends PCs to Mars in order to investigate a facility that went dark. PCs are placed in cryosleep during the trip and land on Mars several months later, only to find the facility overrun by wanton evil spirits and horrible mutants.

They find forbidden magics and massively powerful experimental weapons in the compound.

Then they all die, and are dragged into Hell, and have to fight their way out.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:59:53 No.43360011 Report Delete

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>>43359931

Magic doesn't work outside of the Gaia sphere (earth).

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:00:59 No.43360038 Report Delete

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>>43360011
Unless there's some life on Mars which creates the same effect

he's doing a Doom knockoff

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:01:45 No.43360056 Report Delete

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>>43360011

Magic doesn't work outside the mana sphere, which is created by living entities. There's been limited successes in creating mana spheres around extraterrestrial areas with sufficient life forms, like on space stations. The mana there is still a hell of a lot weaker than on Earth, though.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:01:50 No.43360058 Report Delete

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>>43359591
>So where's the surge in lasers
It happened already. Lasers haven't been new in how long? (were they in 3e?) 4e brought out a range of laser weaponry from Ares, then an example of another corp doing their own, more available / more expensive lasers. 5e has laser shotguns.
>why is lonestar still using jazz inhalers
Because they're cheap, and beat cops are expendable.
>where are my exo skeletons
Milspec armour. After that, wait for Rigger 5 / whatever they release superficial cybernetics in.
>railguns.
On vehicles. In 4e. Guess what the next major 5e book is?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:04:03 No.43360107 Report Delete

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>>43360058
>Because they're cheap, and beat cops are expendable.
The actual answer is they wanted to copy the drug Hardfire from the book Hardwired, thus the inhaler.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:04:24 No.43360114 Report Delete

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>>43360038

I know what he was doing.

Just being honest about the rules.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:07:42 No.43360183 Report Delete

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If you die outside the mana sphere what happens to your soul?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:07:49 No.43360187 Report Delete

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>>43360107
This. Most of Shadowrun is in NO WAY an attempt to portray a realistic and self-consistent world. It's almost entirely about making references to other shit that the writers found cool, like Mad Max, or Neuromancer, or whatever.

Anyone coming to Shadowrun with the assumption that it's literally anything other than a gross mishmash of 'shit that nerds from the 90s thought would make a good reference' is going to have a bad time.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:09:41 No.43360222 Report Delete

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>>43360183
>If you die outside the mana sphere what happens to your soul?
Souls don't exist in or out of a manasphere. When you die, you just stop. There is no afterlife.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:10:11 No.43360226 Report Delete

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>>43360058
>>railguns.
>On vehicles. In 4e. Guess what the next major 5e book is?

It's even better than that. Right side column, and obviously the image.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:13:00 No.43360281 Report Delete

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>>43359058
Have a corp johnson request their help in testing a corporate training facility - obstacle courses, less-lethal combat exercises, etc. Another corporate division blasts their way in during the course, and everything goes to shit.

Alternatively, have it be security penetration testing, with a lethal / non-lethal switch. Either someone breaks in for real, and the system turns lethal / can't differentiate between non-corp personnel, or the corp spider decides to play the most dangerous game.

>>43360107
That's a meta reason, or inspiration. It doesn't justify anything beyond a writer saying, "I think this would be cool!"

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:13:44 No.43360299 Report Delete

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>>43360222

That seems at least conditionally false based on what little reading I've done. Could you elaborate?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:13:48 No.43360301 Report Delete

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>>43359678
Caseless ammunition has been "just around the corner" IRL for longer than Shadowrun has been an RPG.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:15:07 No.43360323 Report Delete

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>>43360281
>That's a meta reason, or inspiration. It doesn't justify anything beyond a writer saying, "I think this would be cool!"
Exactly, and that's the only justification for it, is the writer read Hardwired and though "Man that scene where Sarah shoots up hardfire in a bathroom sure was cool! Let's have that!"

>>43360301
I DEMAND CASELESS BULLPUP FLECHETTE RIFLES WITH THREE ROUND BURST

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:15:23 No.43360333 Report Delete

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>>43360187

I kinda hate the mass appeal bullshit of Shadowrun. What Cyberpunk RPGs are out there that are mostly serious?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:16:16 No.43360354 Report Delete

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>>43360011
Magic works fine if you have a big enough terrarium and/or enough people. The larger stations and bases have enough to only give you a -8 or so.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:17:21 No.43360375 Report Delete

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>>43360299
Elaborate on what? Your Essence isn't your soul and doesn't contain your mind even if it was, and doesn't keep existing post-death even if it did. When you die, your Essence dissolves and your meat is dead.

That's it.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:17:28 No.43360380 Report Delete

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>>43360333
>What Cyberpunk RPGs are out there that are mostly serious?
Cyberpunk 2020 is dead serious for the most part But I know people can't handle the fact that it was written in the late 80s/Early 90s
Bubblegum Crisis, I guess. But that's not really that cyberpunk (Though it was written by Pondsmith, the massive weeaboo)
GURPS Cyberpunk is always good.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:17:56 No.43360391 Report Delete

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>>43358338
Even then, two protestant denominations that come to mind, Anglicans and Wesleyan tradition, still have the term saints, just use them differently.
Anglican it's those who have a connection to England and the twelve disciples. And for the Wesleyan tradition it is just the twelve disciples.
But I'm assuming they have the same view if catholics when it comes to magic.
play a methodist minister in seminary running to pay the college bills, so I did have to wonder that myself.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:18:23 No.43360399 Report Delete

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>>43360333
>Cyberpunk RPG
>mostly serious

>>43360380
>Cyberpunk 2020 is dead serious
Bullshit.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:18:45 No.43360404 Report Delete

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>>43360399
How is 2020 not dead serious?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:19:08 No.43360413 Report Delete

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>>43360375

Well I mean like, what about that thing with Dunkelzahn. Or ghosts (the entities, not the commandos)

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:20:30 No.43360444 Report Delete

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>>43360399
Thinking the same thing. >>43360380 has never even read a book if he thinks it's any more serious, grounded, or not drawing on the same exaggerated tropes as other works.

>>43360404
>Ridiculous slang
>fucking gangs dressed like the Brady Bunch and the Kennedys going at it in the street
>Johnny motherfucking Silverhand

It's all tongue in cheek, anon, and you'll hurt yourself claiming that it's any more serious than RoboCop.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:21:03 No.43360451 Report Delete

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>>43360375
Take off your Fedora, Atheism isn't stated as cannon in Shadowrun.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:21:33 No.43360462 Report Delete

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>>43360404
Isn't that one with like the splat book of equipment that that look like porn mags?
>also 3rd edition with the barbie dolls as actual people.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:23:30 No.43360494 Report Delete

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>>43360444
I think someone's never read the fluff of 2020. And as I said, it's for the most part dead serious. It's written as seriously as Neuromancer or Hardwried. There's a joke here and there, but the setting as a whole is pretty serious.

>>43360462
But how is that not serious? Most get the 80s absurdity mixed up with it not being serious.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:23:54 No.43360502 Report Delete

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>>43360404
It's just extremely not? Entire joke sidebars/chapters, chainsaw arms, and so on come to mind.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:24:57 No.43360520 Report Delete

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>>43360502
>Most get the 80s absurdity mixed up with it not being serious.
As for the sidebars, a little humour inserted doesn't mean the entire setting is a joke.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:25:14 No.43360529 Report Delete

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>>43360323
If you never read the books, sure, you can be forgiven for being so mistaken.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:26:30 No.43360545 Report Delete

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>>43360451
Who the fuck is talking about atheism? I'm talking about the fact that the canon result of death is that your Essence disintegrates, and it wasn't your soul in the first place anyway. The ONLY people who have any life after death are mages who were astral projecting at the time, and they eventually dissolve too.

You flatly don't know what you're talking about.

Souls are something that have never been confirmed as something that exists, and even if they did there's nothing suggesting they relate in any way to the Astral.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:26:50 No.43360549 Report Delete

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>>43360494
The setting is not serious. The setting has serious elements to it, mostly to explain how the world is crappy, but it is not at all expecting you to treat it seriously in the same way that, say, WoD expects to be treated seriously.

People in the 80's knew that the difference between absurdity and seriousness, and that adding the former to the extent that they did would tell their audience that the setting was the same tongue-in-cheek satire that took serious issues to insane conclusions, and invited you along for the ride.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:27:32 No.43360558 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360611

>>43360494
>it's for the most part dead serious
It's really, really not. It's for the most part one big joke. There are some serious parts, but they are very much the exception rather than the rule, same as Shadowrun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:28:03 No.43360568 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360622 >>43360675

>>43360545

So: Weather or not there is a "Soul", it is not tied to your essence, nor your magic, so it doesn't matter where you die?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:28:33 No.43360580 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360611

>>43360494
What about the fact that their are water skiing gangs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:30:26 No.43360611 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360658 >>43360696

>>43360558
Read Eurosource, Home of the Brave, and Pacific Rim. All those books are completely serious.

>>43360549
I'm not claiming that people in the 80's didn't know the difference, I'm saying what was serious then would be considered absurd in modern day.

>>43360580
That's third edition and we don't talk about third edition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:31:08 No.43360622 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360568
Exactly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:32:42 No.43360658 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360696

>>43360611
To add on, I'm not saying the setting didn't have some tongue in cheek elements, but it was largely presented as serious. The sillier elements were always in small details. The world it presents is still the dark future of the 21st century, with all the serious grimderk stuff that comes with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:33:04 No.43360669 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360520
>>43360404
It's sort of like WH40k in that the setting is so relentlessly shitty that it's impossible to take seriously. It's like reading a Rob Liefeld comic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:33:24 No.43360675 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360568
Yes. Exactly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:34:31 No.43360696 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360762

>>43360611
>>43360658
Something being grimdark doesn't mean it's serious, and 2013/2020 was extremely not-serious. You have an extremely selective memory if you think that the jokes were the exception, rather than the rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:37:35 No.43360762 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360866

>>43360696
I think you're remembering it wrong, because I still play the fuck out of 2020. It's by no means lighthearted, and when it did have humour it played it pretty straight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:39:28 No.43360796 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360820 >>43362842

How would one go about making a nadeshiko for a rigger in 4e? do I give it custom agi/str for each limb along with body then go about it like a normal drone after by adding targeting software amour and such?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:40:59 No.43360820 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360878

>>43360796
>nadeshiko
A what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:43:29 No.43360866 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360900

>>43360762
>It's by no means lighthearted
>Something being grimdark doesn't mean it's serious

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:44:05 No.43360878 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360820
Nadeshiko MK-4 think of it like a android its in rigger 4

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:45:17 No.43360900 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43360933

>>43360866
Lighthearted meaning the opposite of serious. Misunderstanding there.
Really, the most I could give you is that it stands in a middle ground, leaning towards serious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:47:33 No.43360933 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360900
>the most I could give you is that it stands in a middle ground
The fact that you're even making compromises about your opinion shows how full of shit you are.

It's a joke setting, same as Shadowrun. That doesn't mean it's bad, but it's about as serious as Warhammer 40k. Just because something's grimdark and miserable doesn't mean it's not also 90% joke.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:17:40 No.43361458 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362410

How do you guys make/get your floorplans? And how many do you keep on hand for a given session?

please don't cite the pastebin, I looked at them and they near universally suck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:30:03 No.43361698 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Alright, so Cyberpunk 2020 isn't serious, while GURPS can be whatever the hell you want it to be because you make the setting. So what's a Cyberpunk rpg with a serious setting? If there isn't one, is there any rpg that doesn't try to cram in bullshit that seems cool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:32:34 No.43361748 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43361764 >>43361806 >>43361814 >>43375284

what's your favorite shadowrun fiction?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:33:12 No.43361764 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361748
Who seriously forms opinions about that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:36:22 No.43361806 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361748

I've only read Stranger Souls so far so I guess by default that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:36:50 No.43361814 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361748
The one where Technomancers aren't completely broken pieces of shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:39:07 No.43361849 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43361882

>>43359148
>>43359172
That's actually quite impressive, anon, put allot more thought into it than I did my guy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:40:50 No.43361882 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361849
I'm gming now and I plan on putting the legit Leviathan and Behemoth in. Having my old character be a crier for the end times

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:42:38 No.43361911 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43361938

>>43359172
But Zyzz left us...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:43:58 No.43361938 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361911
Actually it's spelled Ziz my mistake.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:03:18 No.43362224 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362273 >>43362287 >>43362299 >>43362346

So, do I get to fuck Gobbet sometime in the future?

I'm after visiting Dreamland and still have to get into those damn pants.
Closest thing to sexytime I came was Gobbet offering me to eat from her soup bowl whenever I like to.

Seems like a pretty obvious suggestion to me..

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:06:26 No.43362273 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362296

>>43362224
Sex/romance aren't included. This isn't some shitty bioware game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:07:28 No.43362287 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362318 >>43362406

>>43362224
keep it in your pants, pal. all filthy orks got those damn HMHVV crabs, fuck one and you turn into a freak in no time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:08:31 No.43362296 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362273
bite your tongue

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:08:35 No.43362299 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362224
Player romance in video games is always terrible. Be grateful that there isn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:10:17 No.43362318 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362287
Humanis, please go

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:12:31 No.43362346 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362391 >>43375307

>>43362224
so is this game worth 50 bucks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:15:06 No.43362391 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362346

I think you mean 15

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:15:57 No.43362406 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362454

>>43362287
>fuck one and you turn into a freak in no time
That's quite the tolerant point of view.
A lot of racists would argue that you turn into a racist you want your dick to be caressed by two cute tusks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:16:02 No.43362410 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362605

>>43361458
My GM bought a white board about 2'x3' and draws as needed. His artistic skills are lacking, but it gets the job done.

Toothprick

Toothprick Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:19:07 No.43362452 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362602 >>43362795 >>43362884 >>43363994

I just wondered - is anyone here interested in a shadowrun sort of roleplay thingy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:19:19 No.43362454 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362549

>>43362406
>dick to be caressed by two cute tusks
god, i'm hard!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:26:15 No.43362549 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362454

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:29:41 No.43362602 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362452
Not by a namefag, no.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:30:05 No.43362605 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363681

>>43362410
>His arto stick skills are laking.
Pardon me for being stupid, but isn't all you basically need is to draw a room, fill room woth shapes for obstacles, then x's and o's for players and enemies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:43:59 No.43362795 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362452
Maybe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:46:40 No.43362842 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360796
It's cheaper to twink out a Manservant. Nadeshiko are ridiculously expensive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:48:11 No.43362869 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360333
Technoir.

Which is actually a really neat system mechanically. I steal the transmissions concept for Shadowrun and a couple other games too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:49:09 No.43362884 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362452
Elaborate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:34:50 No.43363681 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43362605
Well, if you play on Roll20 or something, artistic skills with maps are a plus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:38:41 No.43363747 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Is it just me or is called shot engines modifier way too low?

Only a -4 modifier with no damage limit instantly shuts off engine?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:53:48 No.43363994 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364008 >>43364543

>>43362452
I have no idea what you're talking about and it will probably be retarded since you have a name on, but it did give me a thought.

Whatever happened to freeform tavern roleplay like we used to see on Starchat and other pockets of IRC?

I wouldn't mind seeing a channel set up that functioned like a runner bar where you could trot in your latest character concept, order a drink and roleplay with the locals. Be a good way to take ideas for a test drive and get an RP fix for those of us not currently in a game.

That would almost definitely become an intolerable circlejerk within the space of a month. Oh well.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:55:11 No.43364008 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364062 >>43365219

>>43363994
We just started doing a weekly thing on F-List.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:58:48 No.43364062 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364112 >>43365219

>>43364008
So wrong, yet so right. Tell me more.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:02:10 No.43364112 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365219

>>43364062
We just pile into the gameroom every Sunday for casual RP. Lewd stuff encouraged but not required, it's an exercise in character-building and mingling for all the downtime RP you don't get to do in a usual campaign.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:10:28 No.43364212 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364244 >>43368808

One of my characters wants to eventually get a Legitimate SIN.

How much money would one have to pay to grease the wheels?

Or would a Rating 6 SIN just be good enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:13:31 No.43364244 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364254

>>43364212
A rating 6 is almost as good, but it isn't the same.

You could probably do a spectacular run for a Corp and they'd give you a limited corp one. But that is very likely the end of your Shadowrun career and if it isn't you're essentially in the pocket of a mega corp forever.

Think of your rep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:14:25 No.43364254 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364305 >>43364320 >>43368808

>>43364244
He wants to get a UCAS SIN live American Dream start business

So i suppose grease the wheels or marry a UCAS citizen is his best bet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:18:13 No.43364290 Report Delete

Quoted By:

How does the High Fashion Armor Clothing work in chummer? I keep trying things and for some reason sometimes the individual item armor value changes, but no the character armor, and sometimes things that shouldn't stack, do...

Also, do Gel Packs stack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:19:50 No.43364305 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364318 >>43364362

>>43364254
Will require an act of government, which is unlikely.

I don't think you can marry your way into one, but your kids would get them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:21:01 No.43364318 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364305
By grease the wheels i meant massive bribery

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:21:19 No.43364320 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364533 >>43365968

>>43364254
>marry a UCAS citizen is his best bet
That sounds like a great comedy routine

>"Honey, what is it you said you did for a living?"
>flash of ultraviolent and/or debauched memories
>"Children's parties."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:24:22 No.43364362 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364305
The problem is, to who? You're more than likely to be grifted out of the money by some mid level bureaucrat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:38:48 No.43364533 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364320
He was a Torturer in Africa for a Tribal Warlord.

Wants to leave that in the past but he got into Shadowrunning because he couldn't find a Job.

The last session ended with him and a Troll in a room with the Troll in a Mystic Straight Jacket and Mystic Mask. He also had his torturers kit out.

Note: He has the Mind Probe Spell

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:39:27 No.43364543 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43363994
Why ask a question when you provide the answer?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:42:17 No.43364577 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364593 >>43364607 >>43364609

I have been thinking about this, the corps have been trying to find a way to thin out the prisoner population and found the perfect way is to take a bunch prisoner, strap them with bombs, a machete and some k-10/kamikaze and send them back to their gangs Eversor style. How heinous would that be for PR?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:43:44 No.43364593 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364994

>>43364577
Why not just make a new season of The Running Man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:44:34 No.43364607 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364646

>>43364577

That's just silly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:44:42 No.43364609 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364994

>>43364577
That's pretty elaborate for no real reason.

Why not put them on some crazy deadly reality trid show?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:47:50 No.43364646 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364674

>>43364607

It is the perfect boogeyman/suicide weapon. Keep a couple of these guys locked up, then start pumping the gas and unleash them on who needs to die.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:50:27 No.43364674 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364646

This assumes a lot of specific things will and will not happen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:11:26 No.43364994 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364593
>>43364609
>make a new season of The Running Man?
>crazy deadly reality trid show
I'm like 90% sure something like that is already a thing in Shadowrun. If it's not, then just make it happen. A creative GM could think of loads of ways for prisoners and lunatics to compete.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:25:35 No.43365219 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365719

>>43364008
>>43364062
>>43364112

Barely anyone's been showing up, though. I wasn't sure if it was worth continuing to do.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:07:06 No.43365719 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365219
We've only had two meetings so far? Don't fret about it just yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:07:47 No.43365730 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365901 >>43365924

Hey chummers, I need a bit of Advice.

I'm playing in a campaign that started as Street level, and it's been fun. We've mostly been doing feelgood missions, and we've gotten ourselves a lot of karma.

However, my runner is a cyber kinda dude, and the other 3 are magical (one Technomancer). I am distinctly falling behind due to lack of legitimate character progression.

As it stands, I used some of my karma to get Biocompatibility, and I'm looking to drop 30 grand into adapsin, so I can have a major discount on essence costs of cyberware, to the point that used ware will cost standard grade Essence, and still be 75% normal cost.

Except... that's still putting me even further behind because that isn't new cyberware, nor new guns.

To get to the meat of it; would it be a good idea if I were to go balls deep into the In Debt quality to get a major payday, and start paying it off over time, rather than continuing to try to keep up with the team with lowered effectiveness until I can finally start to buy appropriate Cyberware?

(Also: the reason I want Adapsin so badly first is because the essence reduction doesn't apply to previously existing gear)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:22:12 No.43365901 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366017

>>43365730
No, it wouldn't. "In Debt" one of the most terrible qualities in the whole game.

Ask your GM if he would allow you to trade some of your karma for money straight, like you do at chargen.

Otherwise, steal everything and have your face fence it away on the side to get the group more cash. (Or just you with a fee for Face-man if you're a bastard willing to cut your fellow runners out.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:24:01 No.43365924 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366017 >>43367474

>>43365730
The reason you're falling behind is because, as you noted, deckers and street sams scale much more of money than actual karma. Since you're the only one in the group that has this problem, you should talk to your GM about getting a way to convert karma into money, similar to how it's possible on character creation.

Reddit's runner hub ShadowNet has a specific house ruling for this purpose that you might want to reference to your GM, so I'll link it here for you. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tSuVIqOL0MG6nE9F9n0aWZ-OslgMnSJ9_GBoW8oObrE/edit

>Are you saving up for some sweet cyberware, but keep getting hamstrung by these pesky feel-good runs? Are you trying to bump up that awesome skill of yours, but can’t seem to get work on anything but wetwork with little karma rewards? Fret not! Here at ShadowNET, you can choose to Work for the Man (convert karma rewards into nuyen rewards) or Work for the People (convert nuyen rewards into karma rewards). Each point of karma is worth two-thousand nuyen. Note: these conversions are capped at 5 karma/10,000 nuyen. You can not exchange karma or nuyen not earned on the run.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:28:38 No.43365968 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364320
Ah, some of the good ol' ultraviolence

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:32:37 No.43366017 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366064

>>43365924
>>43365901

Well, truth be told, we are kinda running without a Legit Face. Not quite murderhobos, as we are trying to be good people, but... yeah. One of the mages has a good charisma stat, but he's not a full blown Face.

I'll ask my DM about karmic exchange for Nuyen, as it very well would solve most of my problems

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:37:07 No.43366064 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43366017
Get a contact to fence things for you in that case.

Less nuyen in the end, true, but also much less hassle/time/risks involved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:59:36 No.43367474 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368838

>>43365924

That's actually also a rule for Shadowrun missions. I think it should be a core rule, tbh

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:20:31 No.43367622 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367635 >>43367670 >>43367823 >>43367825 >>43368134 >>43368181

So... can someone explain the Carry weight system to me? You get 10 kilos (22 pounds) per point of strength, for "free".

But this means that you can, at your maximum augmented state, easily pick up 220 pounds (ish). If you want more than that, you need to preform a Body+Strength test, where each hit is another 10 kilos.

I'm sorry, but... what?

Currently, in real life, the world record dead lift is over 1000 pounds. But let's use a smaller number: 800 pounds.

In order for someone in shadowrun to possibly lift 800 pounds, they would need to have 10 strength AND 10 body, and score 20 successes (all of them)...

And still be shy by 3 points (800 pounds is 362 kilos, but I rounded down for easy math).

It is physically impossible for a human, beefed the fuck out, and with muscular augments, either mechanical or organic, to even hit 80% of the world dead lift record of 2015, by completely regular, unaugmented humans.

Can someone explain the Logic?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:22:22 No.43367635 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367622

Be shy 6 points. That's what I get for not paying attention

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:25:39 No.43367670 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367814 >>43368181

>>43367622
>actually caring about the carry weight limit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:41:39 No.43367814 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367868

>>43367670

I want to be able to throw a car at someone.

Is that really so wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:43:06 No.43367823 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368181

>>43367622
Just houserule it so that you get 20 kilos per point for free, and 30 kilos for each success, and you'll be closer to reality. I don't think it's a huge deal, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:43:19 No.43367825 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367622
its your game. if you don't like the rules change em. I'm pretty sure that advice is in almost every RPG rule book

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:48:29 No.43367868 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367814
Are you a troll? Make a strength check
Do you have strength 6+ cyber arms? Make a strength check

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:26:51 No.43368134 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367622
That's for actually carrying anon. For just lifting, you get 15kg/point of strength+15kg/success. So take your numbers and add half again. (1200 points max for a dead lift).

But what's really impressive is that your character can take 800 pounds and move with it, something that would probably snap the world record dead lift holder's legs in two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:33:03 No.43368181 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367622
>>43367670
>>43367823
Instead of caring about weight limits, you should really rather care about how and where your characters are carrying their gear. You'll run out of practical storage spaces much faster than weight points. Especially if you want to keep your full agility score. That's how I do it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:14:50 No.43368487 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43356896
I imagine a christian theurge's relationship with sprites would be a similar to a benevolent hermetic mage.

They would believe God places them to be shepherds of the Earth. When they use spirits it's their God given duty to use the Earth's resources to do good works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:03:29 No.43368808 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364254
>>43364254
>>43364212
You can technically apply for one, but it's really difficult. Even a stack of nuyen isn't enough to guarantee you success. Go save the President's daughter or something if you want to be sure.

Alternatively, pretend to be a headcase or some Awakened shifter and ask for one through those routes.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:07:28 No.43368838 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367474
But the karma/nuyen divide is there for a reason. I can appreciate in some corner cases where one vastly outstrips the other a DM might put in a house rule to allow transfers, but mostly it's unnecessary in games, and it discourages people from recognizing that they are two separate and competing reward systems.

There's a reason runs are set up in either balanced, good guy, or monster, with changing payscales.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:07:48 No.43368843 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368856 >>43368866

Lets say...Hypothetically, I found myself in possession of a hypothetical...300 corpses and needed to...Hypothetically, Dispose of them all without anybody noticing. Hypothetically.
Lets also say, hypothetically that this wasn't the first time and i, Hypothetically would be interested in paying for a reliable service that could hypothetically do this for me in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:09:33 No.43368856 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368884

>>43368843
You're looking for an organ legger network

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:10:11 No.43368866 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368884

>>43368843
Call up Tanamous and make them an offer. You'll probably get paid for it, and they have some resources to help move the bodies around.

But, you know... 300 corpses is a lot. They might not want in on that because you just committed the most heinous murder spree ever done by a private citizen, and you are almost certainly going to be fucked by every single law enforcement agency within a thousand miles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:12:42 No.43368884 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368970 >>43368987 >>43378365

>>43368866
Thats what people told me the first time. Oddly enough...Hypothetically of course
>>43368856
Hypothetically, Where would i find them?

P.S. Anyone want to buy 300 sets of slightly used armor? ...This time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:23:57 No.43368970 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43368884
>Hypothetically, Where would i find them?
You could try asking street docs who sell used cyberware. Then just follow the supply chain. You'll have to grease some palms though. And convince people you're not undercover bait.
Also, depending on your area, the Russians might know something. The other crime syndicates are usually more squeamish than them.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:25:33 No.43368987 Report Delete

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>>43368884
Unless you have serious mob connections or know a Chinese warlord, forget about unloading the equipment; nobody's going to want to deal with 300 hot guns, 300 hot pieces of armour, etc. Discard everything.

Where do you even have that many bodies with all their gear where you have the luxury of deciding how to get rid of them? 300 dead/missing men is going to set off anyone's alarm and bring heat ASAP.

As for finding Tanamous/organ leggers, that's what your fixer is for. Ask them about it, or your streetdoc. Drop serious dosh to expedite the process before things start to smell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:29:33 No.43369031 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369220

>>43368987
i have a warehouse and i work fast. ideally i need to get...Hypothetically, i would need to get rid of them before the smell sets in. Luckily its very cold.
How they...Hypothetically got there will have to remain a secret. i'll... Hypothetically shove the gear in the sewer with the last batch.
Time to hit the streets again, Thanks chummers for this hypothetical solution to this hypothetical problem, Maybe i'll see you at the beach.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:47:51 No.43369220 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369330

>>43369031

As long as you store them cold, smell won't be a problem for weeks.

This might still be problematic if the bodies are hot. 300 bodies don't just vanish.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:59:42 No.43369330 Report Delete

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>>43369220
It's true the smell won't be a problem, but ghouls would lose interest in getting the bodies rapidly, and so would organleggers unless they are preserved well (which they almost certainly are not, unless anon has a secret cryogenics facility).

Sitting on them allows him to get rid of them slowly and in varied ways, reducing the chances of being noticed, but very shortly he'll be all on his own because no one will want them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:03:54 No.43369362 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369491

>>43360011
Wizards did it. With magic.

That said, wasn't there a biosphere in a space station or something that had a weak mana sphere? Well maybe they kicked it up a notch.

With magic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:17:40 No.43369491 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369608 >>43369879

>>43369362
Magic in Shadowrun is more specific than that. You can't use it to make a weak manasphere stronger. Only increasing concentrations of life does that.

And so far, the greatest level of success they've managed to accomplish is a space station where Astral Perception is possible without killing yourself. They haven't created anything yet where you can actually cast spells in space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:27:39 No.43369608 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370005

>>43369491

Not when you're the DM it isn't.

Wizards did it. With magic. Maybe someone opened a portal to earth and mana is leaking through, or there's an ancient martian civilization that died out and left it's ghosts, or a portal to hell summoning the Demons and there's mad mojo they can tap into at a cost, maybe a great dragon flew to mars and died and left a background count... just examples I pulled out of my ass.

It's magic, it's wacky, unpredictable, and it breaks the rules. The players aren't going to care you aren't following the rules of magic if they are on mars killing demons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:53:01 No.43369879 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369931

>>43369491
Hahahaha

That's cute.

Use blood magic to raise the mana count.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:00:17 No.43369931 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369948

>>43369879
Of course, what could possibly go wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:01:20 No.43369948 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369983

>>43369931
I don't know maybe you open a portal to a deep metaplane full of Horrors or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:04:48 No.43369983 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369992

>>43369948
Silly anon, Horrors aren't canon anymore.

As well they shouldn't be. Earthdawn is cancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:05:43 No.43369992 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370097

>>43369983
you are cancer cakeboy

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:07:04 No.43370005 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43369608
>I pulled out of my ass

Yes and it shows. Shadowrun is 85% according to the rules and the remaining 15% aren't set for something as dumb as "wizards did it", which to be fair is a thing in Shadowrun only it really reads "dragons did it" which in SR is the same as saying "don't fucking mess with it chummer, rule #4"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:17:19 No.43370097 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370103

>>43369992
Get your faggot setting out of my Shadowrun. No one cares about your elf-worshiping fanfic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:18:23 No.43370103 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43373948

>>43370097

I dunno, how bad is the retconning from the earthdawn break? I think that's the bigger question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:18:54 No.43370107 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370117 >>43370773

>>43360226
What did you do to the availability listing?

Hate Fish !egroN/KbJs

Hate Fish !egroN/KbJs Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:19:56 No.43370117 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370773

>>43370107
It's an insert note, where it probably has the errata.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:47:54 No.43370464 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43370772 >>43370834

"There is a wendigo cult operating in a local highschool. My client had arranged for shapeshifting spells to be quickened on you to disguise you as students. You will attend as normal and identify, then eliminate, the cult."

And that was how a MysAd melee adept, a sammy with a novacoke habit and a decket with a toad habit went to high school for the first time.

The group died in a hail of police gunfire. There were mistakes made. The cult was identified as 'everyone'. Makes the cops ornerery.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:10:04 No.43370772 Report Delete

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>>43370464

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:10:09 No.43370773 Report Delete

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>>43370117
>>43370107
Correct. It's supposed to read 24F, but CGL put it as 12F instead. The errata note just corrects it.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:14:53 No.43370834 Report Delete

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>>43370464
>The cult was identified as 'everyone'.

What do you mean, everyo-

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:28:29 No.43371049 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371486

>>43370834
That was the gif on the gm's phone. Turns out we all fucked our investigation rolls. Hard. That sandwich? Not soy filling. Soylent green filling. Those scratches? Mot from a cat. The saliva left behind (from a cat) was ided as hmhvv pos. So, Wendigo rites. That hole in that kids aura? Not from cyberware or injury. Wendigos.

We locked everyone in on prom night. Killed them. Didn't get the wendigo.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:58:59 No.43371486 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43372101

>>43371049
How in the hell do you fuck up so badly. In what drug filed state of mind does murdering a whole highschool full of kids sound like something you could even consider.

A toast to you, gentlemen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:59:43 No.43371497 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371524 >>43371534

Are there any playable shapeshifters in this game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:01:25 No.43371524 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371804 >>43374044

>>43371497
Yeah, check out Run Faster

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:02:08 No.43371534 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371804 >>43374044

>>43371497

Yes, Run Faster pg 55 got you covered. You got Surge for Furries, and Shapeshifters for Otherkins.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:21:33 No.43371804 Report Delete

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>>43371524
>>43371534
Much obliged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:22:26 No.43371822 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371929 >>43371976 >>43371997 >>43372426

How do you play a SINner?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:29:32 No.43371929 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43371997 >>43372426

>>43371822
depends on the level

5 - you are or were an ordinary citizen at one point and probably have some old connections to an ordinary life (family members, old job contacts, etc)

10 - you're a criminal and the description of this level gives a pretty good idea of what to expect as far as interactions with normal society and law enforcement are if you're broadcasting your real sin

15 and above - you worked for a mega corp on some level and a certain amount of mega corp distractions are likely to occur (mega corp has your biometrics, subject to extraction, etc) and shadowrunners, sprawlers, and gangers i think, are less likely to trust you, but i dont know how that manifests mechanically

in other words, you can act like a reg SINless if you constantly broadcast a fake sin, but some of the SINner qualities offer unique interactions and benefits/drawbacks (i.e. might have a useful contact at a corp, use legit sin to buy things instead of black market etc)

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:33:57 No.43371976 Report Delete

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>>43371822
Right now, in Real Life, your state has your ID, your place of residence, and maybe, your biometrics.
How do you feel about committing a serious crime that can be linked back to you?

There's your answer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:35:41 No.43371997 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43371822
>>43371929
the main drawback to having a legitimate sin is that someone, somewhere has all you're biometric data on file and can link it to anywhere you leave blood, fingerprints, or whatever and makes it easier to track you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:39:22 No.43372045 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43372155 >>43372173

Hi, I got questions about stuff.

1. Licenses are tied to SINs, right? So does this mean that if someone can scan my SIN, they can automatically scan my licenses? Or can I selectively broadcast licenses and SINs (e.g. I don't want to seem like I *would* carry a weapon, so I want to hide my permit to carry one)?

2. SINners. Can I choose not to broadcast my legal SIN? If I don't broadcast it, can my biometric data still be associated with it? It doesn't seem like the national SIN level has many drawbacks, if I can not use it and just use a fake one.

3. RFID tags. Every Shadowrun "How To" guide always talks about having these. Are these just like universal devices? Stick them on to stuff to track them or leave a personal tag or a message? Why are they considered so useful, is it just cause they're electronic post-it notes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:42:27 No.43372099 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43372223 >>43372416

So I have a possibly new player joining the table and i need a fresh character for him to play. Problem is the party is a little unbalanced at the moment.

We have
> an Elf Technomancer/Face information trader
> an A.I. Rigger/Decker
> a Vampire Face/Marksmen
> a PhsAd Infiltrator/melee fighter (absent for this session)

Any ideas for a good build for someone new?

On a side note, the team is running lock-down, and they're about to break Aiden Wagner out of Neonet, if that helps.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:42:32 No.43372101 Report Delete

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>>43371486
Critical glitches. We basically play Shadowrun: GTA edition too. Add that to all rolls that might reveal how legit info is going on behind a screen, and you end up with 'Enchantment Under The Sea (and a bunch of balloons with monofilament grenades and helium)' as your prom theme.

Oh. And the decker had real problems with HMHVV positive folk and paranoia. So it didn't help with him being our primary info source on the spread of it. 'Sure, a wendigo cult can take over a discreet entity like a school hahahahahahaha'.

So a paranoid vampiric hater, a mysad with no real spine and a cyberpsychltic sammy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:46:37 No.43372155 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43372045
1) You can always decide not to broadcast something, yes.

2) You can broadcast another SIN than your legal one (that's the point of fakes in he first place). Yes, it can and will. If your DNA is found somewhere, it can be linked to your real SIN even if you weren't using it.

3) They're quite useful as tracking devices.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:47:31 No.43372173 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43372045
1. No you don't have to broadcast your licences.
2. It is illegal to not broadcast your SIN. But that applies to everyone. If you don't have a SIN, you'll get arrested for not broadcasting one. That's why people get fake SINs.
3. They are literally electronic post it notes, yes. Tracking is an optional feature that comes in Security or Stealth tags. Also they cost literally nothing, you can get a bag of 50 and just put it in your jacket.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:50:28 No.43372223 Report Delete

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>>43372099
A good ole Street Sam with decent soak that can throw a punch, shoot with a SMG and has a tiny bit of Charisma/Con/Intimidation so he can at least smile and/or frown appropriately to help all his meatbags friends at their shtick?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:04:28 No.43372416 Report Delete

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>>43372099

Occult PI could fit in with the already magic-heavy group you fit there.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:05:13 No.43372426 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378101

>>43371822
>>43371929
A corporate SIN might be useful, actually. For example, if you are a spy working for a corporation and you go on 'runs to sabotage rival corps while keeping your parent company informed of the goings-on in the Shadows.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:32:34 No.43372804 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43372839

>Eurodollar The most commonly accepted standard currency in the modern world.
Wait, what? The Euro is more commonly-accepted than the nuyen or the UCAS dollar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:35:14 No.43372839 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43373029 >>43373094

>>43372804
Yes. Not only is the nuyen pegged to the euro (and not the other way around) so that they have a perfect 1:1 exchange rate, all of the following countries officially use the euro as their official currency, and dozens more use it as their unofficial currency:
>Allied German States
>Austria
>Czech Republic
>Euskal Herria
>France
>Italian Confederation
>Portugal
>Scandinavian Union (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden)
>Spain
>United Netherlands

The nuyen is only widely-circulated in places that have enormous Japanese/Japanocorp influence. You end up with a skewed view of the setting if you assume that most places have the same cultural/economic influences as Seattle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:47:52 No.43373029 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43373078

>>43372839
Heт comrade, true currency of Europe is ruble. Glorious Russia is strongest economy in Six World, much bigger than filthy capitalist megacorp. Fascist dragon Lofwyr weep bitter tears upon seeing glorious Russian state to east, like Hitler before him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:49:44 No.43373060 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43373101 >>43374333

When comparing an adept power and cyberware with the same effect, which one is better? Cyberware makes it more difficult to heal you magically, but there must be some drawbacks to adept powers, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:51:13 No.43373078 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43373029
There's actually an astounding lack of information about Russia, all things considered.

Anyway, the Russian ruble is worth 3 nuyen per ruble, so it tends to be a big pain in the ass to actually spend it, on top of the fact that it isn't accepted in nearly as many areas. It may be an economic powerhouse, especially since Yamatetsu/EVO relocated to Russia, but that doesn't mean its national currency has much international circulation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:53:03 No.43373094 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43373172

>>43372839
I was under the impression Nuyen were universally accepted (or at least anywhere there is Matrix access!) because it's backed by the CC and their nifty supersecure Z-O space bank. Am I mistaken?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:53:26 No.43373101 Report Delete

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>>43373060
Adept powers are extremely worse at providing attribute bonuses and Soak than cyberware is, and by RAW they get fucked with by Background Count, aside from showing up as Extremely Suspicious to anyone with the ability to Assense. On top of that, literally all Awakened individuals are required to be registered as such by law, which means you can draw a lot of attention to yourself the moment security starts checking your permits and licenses.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:57:59 No.43373172 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43373094
Nuyen is the premiere digital currency, by virtue of literally not even having a physical currency form. As a result, even in places where you can't actually spend it locally, there's more or less nowhere on Earth that you can't at least make online purchases with it.

But no, it's not universally accepted, especially not in places without strong Japanocorp presences. In many places in Europe, for example, corporations pay their employees in scrip and locals use Euros for normal transactions, while most places on the UCAS east coast trade primarily in dollars rather than nuyen.

Nuyen's main niches are as the currency of international trade, as the currency of online retail, and as the currency in areas with strong Japanese/Japanocorp influences.

So, it dominates in places like Seattle or California, and has a much smaller presence in places like the Netherlands or Marrakesh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:44:39 No.43373948 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43370103
There's no retcon. Everything in earlier editions of Shadowrun is still go, CGL is just avoiding contact with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:49:29 No.43374044 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374068 >>43374088 >>43374230 >>43376573

>>43371524
>>43371534
Had a skim through the system, but I'm having some trouble. Is it possible to stat up a shifter that looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/PIQ6RjB.jpg?1, is about 8ft long and can climb along ceilings?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:51:07 No.43374068 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374100

>>43374044
Nope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:52:29 No.43374088 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374100

>>43374044
Why the fuck would that be possible? Shifters are mundane animals who turn into metahumans.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:52:58 No.43374100 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374109

>>43374068
Not even as, I don't know, a tiger shifter with a reskin and a bunch of bioware? That's a pity.
>>43374088
Not actually interested in the fluff in this regard, just the mechanics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:53:33 No.43374109 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43374100
>Not actually interested in the fluff in this regard, just the mechanics.
It's both.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:01:03 No.43374230 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374295 >>43374306

>>43374044
>http://i.imgur.com/PIQ6RjB.jpg?1
That's... not really something that happens in SR, chummer. Maybe an insect spirit, but you don't want to be anywhere near those.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:05:17 No.43374295 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374491 >>43374516

>>43374230
Can

Can you be an insect shifter? Or better yet, have cyberhornets and become a Shadowrun version of The Pain? If so, how do? Would make a fun boss type for my players.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:05:39 No.43374306 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374365 >>43374497

>>43374230
>Not actually interested in the fluff in this regard, just the mechanics.

I just want to know if you can stat it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:07:12 No.43374333 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374540

>>43373060
Cyberware is much better for attribute bonuses, and for giving you a ton of soak dice.

IMO ware is usually a bit better than adepts, but the nuyen cost can be a pretty big deal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:08:35 No.43374365 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43374306
Your question has been answered twice. No. You can't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:15:04 No.43374491 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43374295
Insect shamans are pretty much kill on sight, so you might be able to do it, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:15:19 No.43374497 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43374306
Although in any game ever, if you don't give a shit about the fluff and are willing to houserule things to get your custom magical realm in there, you can stat anything you like.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:16:40 No.43374516 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43375806

>>43374295
>Can you be an insect shifter?
No. The smallest animal that can be a shifter is a fox. Even particularly small dogs can't be shifters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:17:46 No.43374540 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43374333
Adepts have the advantage when it comes to affordable Initiative dice and raw, massive dice pools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:00:00 No.43375284 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43361748
I've only read three so far, and never deal with a dragon is my fav of those three.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:01:25 No.43375307 Report Delete

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>>43362346
I'd say so. thoroughly enjoyed all three of the games so far.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:28:02 No.43375806 Report Delete

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>>43374516
What about BigDogs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:48:22 No.43376216 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376296 >>43376303 >>43376648

Is there any other benefit to cybereyes over contacts, other than more capacity and that you can't take them off? The price difference is massive

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:48:33 No.43376217 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Okay, so, the Defiance T-250. Is the short-barreled version actually worth using compared to the full-length version? Heavy Pistol ranges... kinda suck, but the concealability change is nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:52:57 No.43376296 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43376216
for wireless functionality with a smartgun, the dicepool bonus for cybereyes is 2 whereas for contacts its only 1

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:53:11 No.43376303 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43376216
An implanted smartlink by itself or in cybereyes will grant an additional +1 dice with it's wireless bonus.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:06:55 No.43376573 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376705

>>43374044
You do know you're on an image board, right?

The whole point is that you can post images alongside or instead of text. Why did you just put in a url?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:10:00 No.43376648 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43376216
They have a fucking staggering amount of Capacity.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:12:57 No.43376705 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376727 >>43376817

>>43376573
It wasn't worth the effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:13:45 No.43376727 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43376705
>posting a link is a noticeable amount less effort than attaching it to a post

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:18:19 No.43376817 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376872

>>43376705
I, for one, ignored you because I'm not going to bother clicking your link if you're too lazy to upload the image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:20:55 No.43376872 Report Delete

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>>43376817
It doesn't matter if you ignored me, I got the answer. It wasn't the answer I wanted, but that can't be helped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:46:11 No.43377370 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43379118

If you have multiple pieces of armor with modifications on them, do they stack? For example, a Berwick suit with Nonconductivity 3 and an Argentum coat with Nonconductivity 2, would the effective rating be Nonconductivity 5 for resisting electrical damage?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:49:36 No.43377438 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43357307
The part that you should probably take note of is the fact that not all angels necessarily possess a humanoid form. Many of the angels of god serve him by ensuring that the natural parts of the world function as they were designed to. as such, they're not all individual beings, but rather allegories for the forces of nature (aka Elementals).

I would suggest instead of attempting to base it's appearance solely off of it's elements, you should take the spirits force level into account. thus a level one fire spirit would be a mere flame or Mephit (small humanoid), and something closer to say level 20 of the same element would bear a resemblance to one of the host of the high heavens (while still made of fire).

I would further suggest standard humans warriors (perhaps crusaders) taking the role of force levels 4-9.

Final note: I am SO using this for the catholic priests supported by the Vatican.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:59:10 No.43377647 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43379187

>>43356825
My favorite reoccurring villain that I made for a game was a free spirit with the possession power and a host of stealth/ masking powers that hounded the party for years (both in game and real time).

This spirit liked to posses people and get absolutely lit up on btl's and drugs. I had ment for him to be a tough/fun mini boss for the run they were on to do some wet work on a gang. The Players were paranoid about the guy because he seemed the least threatening, yet the gangers were giving him a wide berth. So the group decided to blow him up while he was getting his high on. Some creative use of commercial fertilizer and a couple roto-drones with grenade launchers later, the spirits vessel is burning alive in a Redmond bunraku parlor. Several months later he was randomly selected on my table of bystanders to appear during a vehicle chase. He was splattered by the PC's RV.

It was at this point that he began to actively pursue the team. He devoted his time on this plane to their misfortune. Dozens of hosts were lost as he interfered in nearly every run or downtime event. That began to think the various swordsmen attacking them were part of some worldwide organization that they stumbled upon or rubbed the wrong way. This appears to have been further reinforced by the lack of information they could find.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:13:29 No.43377881 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43359722
You sum sorta trog hater syndrome?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:19:21 No.43377964 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43360114
>I don't like fun

Fixed that for you.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:24:01 No.43378050 Report Delete

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so is there any hard rule against punch adepts also casting touch range spells as they punch their target? I assumed you couldn't due to 5th Editions hatred for double attacks but i can't recall a hard rule saying no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:27:39 No.43378101 Report Delete

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>>43372426
Post more troll qts

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:33:01 No.43378171 Report Delete

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>>43378050
I had thought you could do double attacks assuming you split the dice pool?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:36:11 No.43378212 Report Delete

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>>43378050
A melee attack is a complex action. Casting a spell is a complex action. It's inferred that you can't combine the two, but no hard rule.

If you can find a way to make a melee attack a simple action, then by all rights you can do that.

TempestK

TempestK Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:43:01 No.43378349 Report Delete

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Hey, anyone got any decent pics of a gnome that isn't a technomancer or other decker? Preferably with a gun of some kind?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:43:42 No.43378365 Report Delete

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>>43368884
Nigeria.
seriously, Nigeria. check the atlas, it explains everything. that or shadows of Africa.

might cover the guns and armor as well.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:44:13 No.43378372 Report Delete

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>>43378349

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:46:19 No.43378407 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378686

I find that the priority system/sum to ten for 5e is quite inflexible in terms of character creation (can't have 18 attributes, can't have 350,000 nuyen, etc.), but at the same time karma seems to be unable to match the power (especially for non-humans). I've read some maths analyses on the priority system and the karma "worth" is anywhere between 780 and 1070 karma (depending on distribution and optimisation).

I'm considering building characters with 900 karma as default for my games. Is that a bad idea? Will the extra 100 be super game breaking?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:50:22 No.43378468 Report Delete

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>>43378212
ah I know you can use reckless spellcasting to make spells a simple action at +2 drain
guess I forgot unarmed attacks are complex actions, yet another reason melee combat is weak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:04:06 No.43378686 Report Delete

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>>43378407

That's because Karma and Priority have different goals in mind.

With Priority, you get characters that need to specialize in order to take advantage of the system. The Sam gets money and stats, the Shaman gets her voodoo hoodoo, and the face gets all the skills to make him useful always. It punishes a bit being too spread thin, mostly because the setting itself will run over you of half the party can't do one thing awesome.

Karmagen, is mostly to let experienced players get their own more customizable adventure, but it's a bit more expensive the more specialist you wanna get. So it rewards players with a bit more spread/utility, knowing that the characters will get at least all the "must haves".

The thing is, if you wanna have more attributes in priority? Get ware as a Sam/Decker, With A Resources you can afford most cool stuff, applies to the face/infiltrator and such. Mage? Either get initiation quickening and "Increase attribute", or focused concentration and go rock. Adepts? Powers. Technomancer? Get shafted.

As I said, the advantage of Priority is that since Shadowrun is pretty punishing if you are not fully prepared, it forces players to realize that specialization in 1 or 2 things is more valuable than a guy who can shoot with 8-9 dice seven kinds of weapon.

On your actual question. Probably won't be gamebreaking, but your characters might be (even more) stronger than the expected so you can check on their builds and see if you have to pump up the opponents to make it even. Shadowrun has the advantage/disadvantage that all challenges are meant to be custom made, so you can always have a team with Sum to Fifteen and have balanced opponents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:04:38 No.43378692 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378924

/srg/, if you capture a blood mage, what do you do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:18:45 No.43378924 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43379171

>>43378692
Turn him in for a cool million?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:30:06 No.43379118 Report Delete

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>>43377370
Yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:32:48 No.43379171 Report Delete

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>>43378924
are you sure its a million, because my team seems to think it's working for dragons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:33:41 No.43379187 Report Delete

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>>43377647
You magnificent bastard.

There's always something fun about a character who keeps showing up, no matter what the PCs do, and they don't investigate or come up with some wild theory.

One of my players is currently obsessed with hiring a suspiciously good waiter to work for him. No idea who he is or how he does what he does, he just knows that the guy has a knack for serving the right drink at the right time and that's enough to turn the city upside down looking for him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:34:20 No.43379196 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43379312

>>43379171
To further encourage an end to the use of blood magic by Aztechnology and other parties, I offer a bounty of 1 million nuyen on any blood mages captured alive and delivered to the Dunkelzahn Institute of Magical Research for the purposes of studying the effects of blood magic use on metahumanity.

I further authorize the Draco Foundation to provide suitable rewards for the receipt of verifiable accounts of blood magic use, the rewards to reflect the usefulness of the information provided.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:34:41 No.43379206 Report Delete

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>>43379171
Its working for dragons to the tune of an easy million.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:41:30 No.43379312 Report Delete

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>>43379196
Dead dragons are still dragons, anon, and getting mixed up in Big D's will is not a good idea for anyone. It's going to get you tied up in something; at best, you've just made a enemy of a blood mage, and you're hoping the Draco Foundation will keep him on lockdown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:43:06 No.43379336 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43379356

>>43379312
He killed himself to save the world.

The dude is not a fucking monster.

DIMR isn't going to release blood mages given to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:44:33 No.43379356 Report Delete

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>>43379336

Pretty sure he got a car bomb when he was elected president, not something about a heroic sacrifice.

But yeah, the dude was a total bro. if there is ANYONE you can trust, it's Dunk

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