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Pathfinder General /pfg/

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:38:34 No.43362722 View Reply Report Delete

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Pathfinder General /pfg/

How long can YOU move in the frozen time, /pfg/?

If you are asking for build advice, please mention if any third-party books are allowed, and if so, which.

Unified /pfg/ link repository:
http://pastebin.com/NYB3QyVp

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:39:39 No.43362735 Report Delete

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First for Camazotz is best deity, and critically underappreciated. Anyone know where I can find more shit for him?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:40:13 No.43362741 Report Delete

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I want to marry a crow!

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:42:39 No.43362775 Report Delete

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>>43362741

What would a young man like you want with an old crow like me?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:43:06 No.43362782 Report Delete

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>>43362722
Third for a version of the map that isn't covered in memes!

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:43:10 No.43362785 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362847 >>43362908 >>43363961

IA! IA! GARETH FHTAGN!

Mindborn changes creature type to Outsider (Incorporeal, Native), which is still a living creature; Lich only has the requirement of 'any living creature'. Assuming the caster is a Psion 3/Wizard 3/Cerebremancer 8, having CL and ML 11 and WBL/feats enough to craft both the phylactery and the Mindborn Not-Phylactery, what happens when this Mindborn Lich dies? Where does he show up, the Phylactery or the other thing?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:43:13 No.43362786 Report Delete

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>>43362722
DMing a gestalt game and my characters dropped their characters.

Tell me whether I should veto or not:

P1: Hobgoblin Savage Technologist + Grenadier Alchemist

P2: Human PsyArm + Eldritch Archer

P3: Magus + Arcanist

P4: Abberant Aegis + Synth Summoner

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:44:07 No.43362801 Report Delete

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>>43362786
Let it be. Any issues will sort themselves out soon enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:45:03 No.43362820 Report Delete

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>>43362786
Sorry,
Magus + Arcanist is a Sylph
Aberrant Aegis + SynthSummoner is a Dwarf

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:45:54 No.43362829 Report Delete

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>>43362786
P1: Wat
P2: Eh, I don't see why people like Eldritch Archer
P3: Shenanigans, but nothing new, I bet this player thinks his character is gonna be hot shit, count on this one to be useless outside of blasting.
P4: Do these even stack?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:46:42 No.43362843 Report Delete

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>>43362786

> P4: Abberant Aegis + Synth Summoner

someone wants to be an armor.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:46:55 No.43362847 Report Delete

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>>43362785
I too am interested in seeing how we can establish the Curse Spectre, statwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:48:31 No.43362877 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43362925

>>43362843
>>43362786

Abberant Aegis + Synth Summoner

if this guy goes 4 legged charger with stacked out the ass extra limbs he might shit 1000 damage per round all over some poor npc's

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:50:30 No.43362908 Report Delete

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>>43362785
That...is...an interesting set of questions. Okay. I'm gonna share this with the author of the Mindborn, with my minions, and get a copy of Seventh Path to stare at, and then get back to you. If this hasn't been answered in 48 hours, poke me again.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:51:14 No.43362921 Report Delete

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>>43362786
>Give a guy with Rage something equally broken aka Mutagen. Then double all his damage by applying bombs to his martial weapons as well as poisons.
Big Guy.png

>A class with a +5 free weapon enhancement with another class with a +5 free weapon enhancement with spells! fairly balanced.

>This is potentially good. There's an Arcanist trick that lets you teleport anywhere as a 5ft step and he can do some blink+spellstrike+blink back shenanigans with it.

>OP. OP. OP. And lets not forget this thing has Pounce.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:51:34 No.43362925 Report Delete

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>>43362877
Flurry of Misses syndrome. Also, DR will eat him alive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:54:07 No.43362960 Report Delete

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>>43362925
Does DR apply to Ectoplasmatist Weaponry?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:54:22 No.43362965 Report Delete

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>>43362925
I said might.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:55:35 No.43362980 Report Delete

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Ten Golarion hours in MS Paint.

I shouldn't be doing this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:57:31 No.43363017 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363049 >>43363130

>>43362921
Does Rage, Mutagen and Infusions stack? If yes, then you're looking at +12 damage modifier at 3rd level.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:59:25 No.43363049 Report Delete

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>>43363017
Rage and Mutagens do stack, dunno about Infusions, where are these coming from?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:02:08 No.43363088 Report Delete

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>>43363049
Alchemist, obviously. That's how their "spells" are called.

Also, grenadier with gun is awesome if you want to int-twink... but with savage technologist you kinda don't need to so moot point I guess.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:04:33 No.43363130 Report Delete

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>>43363017
If all you want is raw STR self buffing, Brown-Fur Transmuter Arcanist is strictly better than Arcanist.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:04:47 No.43363134 Report Delete

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Don't we already have monkeys with wings?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:04:59 No.43363138 Report Delete

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>>43363049
+4 to STR and DEX from Rage
+4 to DEX or STR from Mutagen
+4 to DEX or STR from an Infusion

Lets not forget Rage Powers and Discoveries grant some extra benefits like natural armor, stoneskin, flight, pounce etc.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:08:55 No.43363193 Report Delete

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>>43362722
At least a standard action.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:10:19 No.43363211 Report Delete

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>>43363193
so about 3-4 seconds?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:11:31 No.43363228 Report Delete

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>>43363193
>A turn is 6 seconds
>Star Platinum's maximum is 5 seconds
>So you get in part of a turn

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:12:02 No.43363239 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363436 >>43363713

My GM says that if I want to, I can play a Promethean/Preservationist Alchemist, so I figured I'd come and ask /pfg/ how exactly this works. I kinda want to try giving her a longbow, but the feat requirement to make it work would probably make it pointless unless the GM lets me make addons by burning cash. Should I just have her help me toss out pokeballs and then have us both hide behind the nearest wall?

Tips? Tricks? Things to know?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:12:06 No.43363242 Report Delete

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>>43362786
>Mediocre race. Sword and Gun and Bomb throwing don't mix well. He doesn't exactly have 3 hands. Vivisectionist Beastmorph would serve him better, and at the end of the day all this guy does is deal damage. Not bad, not great.
>Creative use of the Armory, will probably have a lot of damage output. DR isn't as much of an issue for him, and although all he does is deal damage, he can deal a lot of kinds of damage. Will probably be more consistent than P1, but not necessarily more damaging.
>This is silly. You can't use Arcanist spells in armor, and the Magus is a meleer. This COULD BE good if he was Brown-Fur Transmuter Arcanist and used the Arcanist side for self-buffs or something, but this seems like the player doesn't really know what he's doing. If he does, he has the power to wreck your game, mostly because he's an Arcanist.
>This guy is going to be a horrifying, flailing mass of natural attacks. Buckets of d20s from his natural attacks and he'll rely on pouncing to deal damage, and because Aegis, he'll be able to fly early on. He'll slow the table down considerably if he doesn't have his shit together.

Party has no primary Psionicist, no primary Initiator, no primary Divine spellcaster and has nobody with a proclivity for social interaction. Nobody seems to be particularly stealthy either. Most of them are glass cannons that rely on full attacks or blasting spells.

This party is horrifyingly lacking in versatility. Fortunately for you, Mr. GM, this is also an extremely easy party to run for, so go for it.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:20:57 No.43363392 Report Delete

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>>43363228
star platinums max was like, ten?, and then he got rusty af during/up to stone ocean

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:21:49 No.43363413 Report Delete

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>>43362735
It really should be IT if they're going for a blatant reference like that.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:22:32 No.43363436 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363478 >>43363776

>>43363239
Just summon monsters and have your homunculist summon monsters. Really no deeper thought needed.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:24:40 No.43363478 Report Delete

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>>43363436
At that point, just be a fucking Master Summoner.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:26:15 No.43363510 Report Delete

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>>43363478
What do you think that combo is?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:29:49 No.43363598 Report Delete

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>>43363413
Reminder paizo shits out appropriation and calls it creativity

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:33:20 No.43363661 Report Delete

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>>43363510
It's definitely not the Master Summoner archetype for the Summoner class, which is better at monster spam anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:36:22 No.43363713 Report Delete

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>>43363239
Planar Preservationist lets you also cast Summon Monster instead of just SNA.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:40:31 No.43363772 Report Delete

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Has anyone here played a spiritualist yet?

I'm trying to make one but it just seems like a gimped version of the Summoner with less cool shit later on and shorter range.

I'm probably going to roll with it just for the flavor but I'm unsure how to optimize. Maybe I'll go the bad-touch root since my Phantom can do it for me at level 3.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:40:35 No.43363776 Report Delete

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>>43363436
Well obviously, but once I pop a summon each, what then? Right now I'm just kind of figuring my tactics will boil down to
>me and my homunculus throw our pokeballs as we back the fuck up
>our monsters attack
>next turn we let the monsters take frontline with the fighter and warpriest, while both of us sit back and plink away with our shitty crossbows

What can I even make my homunculus do effectively once we've tossed our pokeballs? I know that, on a basic level, the stats point towards natural attacking, but that doesn't really fit the personalities I want my character or his homunculus to have.

>>43363713
>not taking planar preservationist

Isn't that what makes that archetype work?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:42:26 No.43363810 Report Delete

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>>43363772
>Play it like a Stand from JoJo's
>Profit

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:43:58 No.43363838 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364017 >>43364179

>>43363810
Sadly it wouldn't be able to use any crazy powers like in Jojo, rather then just being able to punch people with mediocre stats and sometimes using touch attacks for me.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:45:06 No.43363869 Report Delete

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>>43363776
There's not really much else you CAN do if you're not going to send the homunculus out into battle, especially since you traded out most of your combat capabilities by taking Promethean to begin with. What are their personalities?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:46:02 No.43363886 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363950

>>43363413
>>43363598
Camazotz isn't from Madeline l'Engele you autistic fucks, it's from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camazotz

Kill yourselves, you retarded cunts.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:49:57 No.43363950 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363978 >>43366201

>>43363886
So we're supposed to assume that Paizo stole an obscure mayan deity rather than the name of a place from a well-known book? That seems to be giving them too much credit.

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:50:52 No.43363961 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43363991 >>43364092 >>43364103 >>43364731 >>43367641

>>43362785
>>43362908
So this sent us on a merry little chase. Interesting set of questions.

So, the current RAW: the Mindborn Lich ends up stuck in a logic loop. He must reform in both the cocoon & the phylactery. Without wording that specifically lets him choose either (or both for mind-lich cloning because why the fuck not) the infinite loop traps the mindborn lich forever in a state of "well fuck".

Lichdom was not considered when Mindborn was designed. However, having consulted with the Mindborn author, the intent is that such a being would be able to form in either location, should they be pussiant & insane enough to want to acquire both templates. We'll be posting something more official to that effect soon, either as errata to Seventh Path, a sidebar in Psionics Augmented: Occult, or in another avenue.

Thanks for the question, was interesting.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:52:36 No.43363978 Report Delete

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>>43363950
Pathfinder deity:
>The bat god Camazotz appears as an enormous and terrifying man-like bat that takes delight in hunting mortals during the darkness.
>Portfolio: bats, blood, caverns, nocturnal predators
Domains: Animal, Chaos, Darkness, Evil, Trickery
Subdomains: Deception, Demon, Fear, Fur, Moon, Night

IRL Deity:
In Maya mythology, Camazotz (/kämäˈsots/) (alternate spellings Cama-Zotz, Sotz, Zotz) was a bat god. Camazotz means "death bat" in the K'iche' language. In Mesoamerica the bat was associated with night, death, and sacrifice.

Kill yourself if you can't take literally 2 minutes to read, retard.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:53:39 No.43363991 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364005 >>43364052

>>43363961
So why is this the current RAW?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:54:45 No.43364005 Report Delete

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>>43363991
>reading comprehension

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:55:48 No.43364017 Report Delete

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>>43363838
Fractured Mind gets a bunch of SLAs at certain levels based on your emotional focus. There's also a feat in Occult Origins called Spirit Symbiosis which allows you to cast Speak With Dead to change the emotional focus of your phantom to another one for 10 minutes/level.

Also, keep in mind that Phantoms only get slam attacks for free, you're not required to use them alone. You can take feats and kit them with magic items and armor (though not weapons) to be fairly decent fighter types and take TWF and improved unarmed strike for ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:57:02 No.43364038 Report Delete

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>>43364005
Right.

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:57:58 No.43364052 Report Delete

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>>43363991
Both templates are "when" abilities; liches and mindborn don't choose to reform, they just reform. Unfortunately, Pathfinder has no "stack", no method of determining precedence, for this style of ability, in either the template rules or the general ones. What that means is this happens:

> Lichborn dies
> Goes to reform at cocoon & phylactery simultaenously
> Can only reform at one (no ability specifically permits it to have two bodies)
> No resolution mechanic to let or force the entity to pick one
> Logic loop spins forever

This is not an ideal situation, especially considering the compatibility of the two templates, so we're gonna fix it up.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:00:42 No.43364092 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364111

>>43363961
>>43364052
Speaking of evil psionics (psionic animate dead when) is there any chance of getting a prestige class similar to the 3.5 one that trapped people in cocoons to steal PP from them?
That was a really cool class.

In general i think a book of prestige classes could be cool.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:01:26 No.43364103 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364123 >>43364126 >>43367641

>>43363961
Here's a solution.
Require that they be the same object. This solves the entire issue.

It's an incredibly expensive process to obtain the templates anyhow, both in time and money.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:02:08 No.43364111 Report Delete

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>>43364092
I looked it up and its called the Body Leech.

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Gareth !klGnb3zBKk Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:03:07 No.43364123 Report Delete

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>>43364103
Making them the same object actually solves this issue /now/, but since nothing requires it you could still become the Loopborn.

I dunno that I wanna endorse forcing them to be the same object though. Extra immortal villains could be kinda fun. Party fights what they thought was one kind of thing, only to discover that they not only have to kill it again, but in killing it the first time they made it desperate, scared, and so very *angry*.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:03:16 No.43364125 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364230 >>43364387

Nth for not being dead.
Nth+1 for wanting to marry a drow!

Spooky weekend is coming up. Anyone have anything special planned?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:03:23 No.43364126 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364140

>>43364103
Oh, and I'm the guy that brought it up.

Here's another mind-fucker.
Mindborn can be applied to a Lich. It doesn't have any requirements for application. Assuming you have the funds (Downtime helps here) you can be a Mindborn Lich Mindborn Lich Mindborn Lich etc.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:04:49 No.43364140 Report Delete

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>>43364126
>thinking you can apply the same template more than once
KEK

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:07:15 No.43364165 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364338

>>43363869
Game hasn't started yet, still in character creation, but the basic idea was to have an alchemist and his homunculus surrogate daughter. The alchemist would fit the "hairbrained scholar" type, a bit distant, but picked up some people skills over time due to needing to pick up his materials in-person. The homunculus would be curious, but shy around strangers, or if the alchemist isn't nearby. Psuedo-father daughter relationship in a sense.

I originally wanted to see about respeccing the homunculus' base abilities, but the GM ruled that, partially because he isn't quite comfortable with trying to mess with its base statistics without having handled it before, that I couldn't. Though, he might let me change what it gains at 4th level, depends on how things go.

Also, the homunculus has a base flight speed, how do I handle that exactly?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:07:18 No.43364166 Report Delete

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>>43364140
Show me the rule that states you cannot.
Advanced, Giant, Young, etc. Are very commonly repeatedly stacked themselves.

Most templates are just redundant, so there's no point to it.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:08:08 No.43364179 Report Delete

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>>43363838
Well the difference between Summoner and Spiritualist is that more of the cool shit comes from you then your pet where Summoner is the opposite. You get a lot more selection when it comes to your spells and I'd argue they give a greater range of utility.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:09:44 No.43364199 Report Delete

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>>43364166
>Show me the rule that states you cannot.
>deliberately misunderstanding how permissive rulesets work

Show me the rule that says you can.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:11:56 No.43364230 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364261 >>43364265 >>43364325

Is it me, or does the primalist bloodrager seem flat out better than a normal barbarian?

>>43364125
>marrying drow
>not marrying tieflings instead

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:14:55 No.43364261 Report Delete

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>>43364230
Pitborn best girl

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:15:47 No.43364265 Report Delete

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>>43364230
Marry Tiefdrow. Drowflings? No, have drow flings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:19:23 No.43364300 Report Delete

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>>43364199
Every Template states what creature types the template can be applied to, and what type of creatures the template can be applied to. Lich is an "acquired template that can be added to any living creature (referred to hereafter as the base creature), provided it can create the required phylactery."

Besides that, there are absolutely no restrictions on what the template can be applied to. A Mindborn Lich is a living creature capable of creating a Phylactery, and as such, can have the Lich template applied to it again.

If you can find anything that invalidates this, do let me know, but my original statement of "Show me the rule that states you cannot." Is quite valid, because the template itself is permissive. Not being able to add the same template to a creature that otherwise qualifies for it because it's already had it applied would be an exception to the permission the template grants.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:22:00 No.43364325 Report Delete

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>>43364230

I dunno, do the spell lists really do enough to match up to the Invulnerable Rager with his metric fuckton of rage powers and DR? I mean, a Primalist can just about afford Beast Totem line and ONE other rage power if they give up two of their bloodline abilities...

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:23:01 No.43364336 Report Delete

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>>43364325
It's not the spell lists, it's the bloodline abilities. Abyssal and Arcane are extremely potent.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:23:07 No.43364338 Report Delete

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>>43364165
A fly speed's a fly speed, maybe give it fly by attack?

The big problem with that character is that there is pretty much no situation where the Alchemist would use the Homunculus in its full capacity as a relatively replaceable combat character, since it would completely break with what the character would do. Maybe train UMD or something and do that. Again, the issue is you traded out your mutagen AND bombs for this class feature, so if it's not doing something in combat you're gimping yourself pretty heavily.

Unless you play as pic related and dump extracts down its throat until it goes nuts on enemies broh

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:24:18 No.43364360 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364412 >>43364470

>>43364336

Right, but Primalist forces you to lose those to get rage powers. I don't think that quite stands up to AM BARBARIAN and his brothers, let alone qualifies as strictly better than them.

Bloodragers are pretty fuckin' sweet, though. One of the better things to come out of the ACG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:26:26 No.43364387 Report Delete

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>>43364125
Pathfinder tomorrow night, looking forward to making sick dosh on those side quests to push towards funding my character's side goals. Halloween party the next night. I've got a pretty lame cultist costume ready for the party, and I've shaved my usual van dyke into an evil goatee. I expect a lot of Arkham Horror and Betrayal at the House on the Hill. I haven't told anyone, but I'm going to bring two or three dozen donuts.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:28:12 No.43364412 Report Delete

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>>43364360
Conveniently, Primalist tends to have you give up the BAD bloodline abilities. And you aren't actually forced, you can pick which ones to give up. It's kinda like Qinggong Monk.

It's usually a toss-up between the two, they're horribly similar. For shitty PFS play I'd go with Bloodrager because there you have to be more self-reliant than normal , and the Bloodrager spell list means they can use a lot of wands without UMD. UMD is generally better than their actual spells anyway.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:29:11 No.43364422 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364475 >>43364488 >>43364512

>Animal Companion Buffing rage power.
>Can't find an Archtype of Barbarian, Druid, Huntard, or Ranger which grants both.
Am I just blind, or is this explicitly for dips, even though that would drastically weaken either power?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:30:08 No.43364434 Report Delete

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>>43364412

Isn't the primalist banned in PFS?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:30:54 No.43364446 Report Delete

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>>43364434
Fun is banned in PFS.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:32:37 No.43364467 Report Delete

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>>43364446
PFS is autistic.
It's the bad kind of autistic.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:32:43 No.43364470 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364489 >>43364499

>>43364360
Replacing the relatively unimpressive 8th level bloodline power with lesser beast totem and beast totem lets you grab up greater beast totem at 10 with a feat (Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.)

So you get pounce, a free enlarge person whenever you're raging, claw attacks, and bonus feats and spells from your bloodline. On top of that, at level 12 you start getting even MORE strength bonuses from your bloodline while raging.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:32:56 No.43364475 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364512 >>43364576

>>43364434
>PFS

>>43364422
Mounted Barbarian with Boon Companion, or Barbarian x/Cavalier 4 with Horse master

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:34:02 No.43364488 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364576

>>43364422
Mad dog barb.

You can get ACs with feats as well.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:34:31 No.43364489 Report Delete

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>>43364470
>and beast totem lets you grab up greater beast totem at 10 with a feat
meant 11, sorry.

Also, arcane bloodline gets you free Haste while raging. That's absolutely bananas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:35:05 No.43364499 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364505

>>43364470

I'm pretty sure the primalist explicitly states it's not allowed to take Extra Rage Power as a feat.

Unless Paizo took their head out of the wizard's ass long enough to flip-flop on that stupid rule.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:36:03 No.43364505 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364499
I don't see anything is the SRD saying that, though it does sound like Paizo

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:36:47 No.43364512 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364422
>>43364475
Barbarian Eldritch Heritage or Bloodrager with the Sylvan Bloodline and Boon Companion.

Also, you could progress or dip to Mammoth Rider because your companion gets a free size upgrade.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:41:09 No.43364560 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364579 >>43364584 >>43364587 >>43364596 >>43364600 >>43364605 >>43364642 >>43364725

How do you justify multiclassing as "making your character stronger" when a big chunk of your class features don't progress anymore. i.e. sneak attack damage, animal companion level, etc...

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:42:15 No.43364576 Report Delete

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>>43364488
Hmm, half the rage powers and 3 level delay on rage.
But, some nice bonuses , and the pet gets the DR/- too.
Fairly nice. Might have to make one.

>>43364475
Hmm, combo makes the pet equal in effective druid level. Neat.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:42:40 No.43364579 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364560
You're not thinking cheesy enough

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:42:59 No.43364583 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364667

>>43364338
Again, the original idea was to see if I could replace some of the homunculus's features with proficiencies, and possibly other stuff, so I could have her be a longbow-toting daughteru, but unless I'm allowed to have that go into effect at level 4 it looks like it might be a wash. Characters aren't set in stone though, so I can just modify things as I go. I really wish ranged builds weren't so disgustingly feat-heavy.

What ways are there to fluff the fly speed outside of "well, the homunculus has wings. Nobody finds this strange". Not that that isn't an adorable image, but it's just odd.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:43:05 No.43364584 Report Delete

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>>43364560
Depends on what you're focusing on with the character. If you take 3 levels of URogue to get the ability to ignore strength as a stat before jumping over to Magus or something then the lack of sneak attack progression doesn't matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:43:12 No.43364587 Report Delete

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>>43364560
Multiclassing is less popular in PFS than 3.5, but all the same, the amount of stuff that one or two levels in a new class will give you can more than make up for the loss of 1d6 sneak attack, or 1BAB of your pet.

Never multiclass out of full casting classes though.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:43:49 No.43364596 Report Delete

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>>43364560
The best dips don't need to progress, or progress in spite of the multiclassing somehow. Example: Ranger 1/World Walker Druid X with a certain feat has full Ranger Favored Enemy and Favored Terrain progression as well as Wild Shape, etc. Also, spell level access as fast as a Sorcerer.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:44:00 No.43364600 Report Delete

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>>43364560
well, for starters you usually get something better than you give up

Like, giving up some SA is usually pretty fine when you get something good in exchange.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:44:26 No.43364605 Report Delete

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>>43364560
Huh? What, do you mean how do you justify it out of character, or how do you justify it in-character? For the first, it's usually because there's some specific class feature I want. For the second, it's because it makes sense for the character.

Doesn't have to be optimal, it just has to be good enough. I'm in a pretty mid-op group so there's some leeway to work with.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:47:21 No.43364642 Report Delete

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>>43364560
minor thing - Animal Companions don't suffer so much missing due to one or two level dips. And it can easilly be mitigated with Boon Companion

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:50:01 No.43364667 Report Delete

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>>43364583
You could just have it be able to float around unpowered, it doesn't necessarily have wings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:50:33 No.43364677 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364726 >>43364765

>>43362722
I feel like I'm supposed to know what this is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:54:48 No.43364725 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364754 >>43364836

>>43364560
multiclassing is weaker in pathfinder, but there's still a few occasions where it benefits you. Magus likes a 3 level dip in unchained rogue for that dex-to-damage; the barbarian is definitely going to dip into oracle at 9th level for rage cycling, possibly even once into a certain fighter archetype to pick up a couple of shitty feats he needs as prerequisites for combat expertise -> stalwart -> improved stalwart.

Other classes might dip 5 levels into gunslinger so they can actually use a gun, since the things they need (quick clear, EWP firearms, dex-to-damage) just come naturally to gunslingers.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:54:49 No.43364726 Report Delete

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>>43364677
A JJBA reference.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:55:14 No.43364731 Report Delete

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>>43363961
Truly the mysteries of the Curse Spectre are beyond our feeble mortal minds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:57:51 No.43364754 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364784

>>43364725
Android Savage Technologists say hello.
One feat abolishes the need for rage cycling, and turns all "once per rage" powers into "once per round".

This can be done without a feat, if your GM is okay with original barbarian rage powers on an unchained barbarian (Untyped bonus ftw)

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:58:39 No.43364765 Report Delete

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>>43364677

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:59:29 No.43364784 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364809 >>43364818 >>43364829 >>43364836

>>43364754
Uhh... I thought androids were immune to emotion-based morale boosts like Rage.

So an android barbarian is a fighter.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:01:05 No.43364809 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43364784
A fighter without bonus feats.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:01:37 No.43364818 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364893

>>43364784
Androids cannot gain morale bonuses, Rage (Barbarian) is a morale bonus. Unchained features an untyped bonus.

The Empathy feat allows Androids to gain morale bonuses, therefore making them the best Barbarians around, especially if you're going Savage Technologist.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:01:52 No.43364829 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364854 >>43364893

>>43364784
That's what that feat is for.

Also unchained barb rages are not moral based, if you want an android barb.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:02:06 No.43364836 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364880

>>43364725
A two level dip in Master of Many Styles used to be a great dip for any unarmed build since you could pick up two style feats and evasion (which, while not great, is nice to have).

>>43364784
There's a feat that lets you get morale effects, but it does require 13 Charisma.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:03:30 No.43364854 Report Delete

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>>43364829
Funnily enough, even though they are an untyped bonus, whoever made the page fucked up, and just copied several class features straight from the original Barbarian's page, including a bit claiming that the will save bonus is a morale bonus.

Lazy fucks.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:05:21 No.43364880 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364903 >>43364966

>>43364836
"used to be" Is it not anymore?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:06:08 No.43364893 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364916 >>43364933

>>43364818
>>43364829
Okay, thats kinda cool from a mechanical PoV.
But flavor-wise, seems silly. An emotionless android hulking out despite not understanding nor having empathized what is anger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:06:45 No.43364903 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364948

>>43364880
>Paizo
>Martials, especially Monk, having anything nice.
Pick one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:07:24 No.43364916 Report Delete

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>>43364893
My GM reflavored it as "Overclocking".
I essentially roleplayed Gunkata whenever using it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:08:02 No.43364933 Report Delete

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>>43364893
>"Releasing inhibitor circuit. The strain will wear out my servos in 2 minutes. There is a 99% chance you will not live to see that."

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:08:40 No.43364948 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364974 >>43364978

>>43364903
Can we not do this please?

Yeah, Paizo hates martials, we get it, can we move on? The endless bitching has gotten old.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:09:41 No.43364965 Report Delete

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>>43364933
Data did become a badass when he got that feels chip, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:09:41 No.43364966 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43364990

>>43364880
After the recent errata nerf MoMS monks can only select the "Style" feats, being the feats that actually have "style" in the name, without needing prereqs as bonus feats. If they select later feats in the tree they need to meet all the prereqs of that feat. Also, they can get "wildcard" feats at level 6 which they can change to be any style feat or style chain feat that they meet the prereqs for.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:10:01 No.43364974 Report Delete

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>>43364948
Actual answer: They appearently nerfed it so he only gets the entry level feats for free. And now has to qualify for the deeper tree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:10:20 No.43364978 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365023 >>43365035

>>43364948
Okay, lets be fair - their latest book shat on casters too.

We got a Sorc who can only cast spells when he's inebriated or high on weed.
And the Kineticist sperged over by 13 year old edgy manchildren.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:11:12 No.43364990 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365150

>>43364966
I have a cavalier that uses Snapping Turtle Style and grapples as its primary combat methods, are there any styles that would merge well with this?

I feel like a one level dip could do me a lot of good here.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:13:02 No.43365023 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365054

>>43364978
I thought long range gardening was going to be the joke of that book, void kineticist managed to be even shittier, it's so amazingly shitty that I am now convinced it is a parody archetype.

>simple and composite blasts are literally incapable of damaging undead
>version of kinetic healing, a feature that involves taking burn for healing, that can only be used to heal undead, who cannot actually take burn

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:13:37 No.43365035 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365062

>>43364978
>Kineticist
>Caster

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:14:03 No.43365042 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365101 >>43365208

>Went to flgs today
>saw Black Markets
>picked it up off the shelf
>Opened it
>Pack Mule (Fighter Archetype)
>Closed book
>Placed it back on the shelf
>Left flgs

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:14:59 No.43365054 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365092

>>43365023
I considered making a Dhampir for that since they're undead and can heal from taking his own blasts.

But then a Dhampir Edgeneticist is fucking cringe-inducing as fuck.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:15:26 No.43365062 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365096 >>43365113

>>43365035

The kineticist is a caster designed on the principles Paizo uses to design martials, to be fair.

You can do it all day, so by GOD it's going to suck.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:17:10 No.43365092 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365121

>>43365054
Dhampir takes a penalty to the kineticist's primary stat, and the negative energy blast cannot heal undead (stated directly on the blast's description), it just doesn't affect them period.

Also kinetic healing might just be the worst form of healing ever, as anything you heal takes burn, which gives you a nonzero chance of inflicting more damage than you actually heal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:17:26 No.43365096 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365118 >>43365316

>>43365062
It was Paizo's take on Warlocks and their Eldritch Blasts and Dark Incantations.

Except Warlocks were fucking better compared to this shit because at least they weren't being punished for using their class features.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:17:42 No.43365101 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365201

>>43365042

Let's be fair, it's probably an NPC archetype like the henchmen-type archetypes for cavaliers and such, but still, kinda telling that canonically the three most skillful fighters are the Lore Wardens, an archetype Paizo considers bad design because it's "too good" (ie, passably useful in a decent party), the Tactician, ie "why are you not playing a cavalier", and the pack mule, who has accepted his place in life is to carry Wizard-senpai's books.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:18:17 No.43365113 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365118 >>43365175

>>43365062
Except you can't because you kill yourself. But, y'know. PAIZO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:18:48 No.43365118 Report Delete

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>>43365096
>>43365113

Sometimes I wonder if Occult Adventures was some sort of hazing ritual for Mark Seifter by the older designers. It was not a good debut for his two classes.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:19:06 No.43365121 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365139 >>43365175 >>43365204 >>43365504

>>43365092
The funny part is, I have a party member who insists it is the best healing in the game, because hurrdurrunlimitedhealing.

All that fucker plays now are kineticists, it is infuriating.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:20:21 No.43365139 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365226

>>43365121
Why you mad? Its his choice rolling a shit class.
Drink his tears when he realizes that unlimitted healing won't bring back his CON damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:20:45 No.43365150 Report Delete

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>>43364990
If you want a higher AC, Crane Style is still usable even after the nerf. There's also Grabbing and Kraken Style for more offensive grappling. Also look into Hamatula Strike, which isn't a style feat but you might still find it useful, especially if you take Snake or Boar style to have your unarmed attacks do piercing damage.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:22:41 No.43365175 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365226

>>43365113
The typical response to this is to only take as much burn as you need to get max elemental overflow bonuses, which really only illustrates the classes bad design further. It's the only class that has an explicit punishment for using its main class features as intended, and it's designed in such a way that taking advantage of your class currency is discouraged.

One of the worst designed classes in the system if you ask me.

>>43365121
>The funny part is, I have a party member who insists it is the best healing in the game, because hurrdurrunlimitedhealing.
The best healing is still garbage. In combat healing is useless, and getting unlimited (or a fuckton of) out-of-combat healing is piss easy. I respect your friend for willingly playing a kineticist, but it all goes out the window if he actually thinks it's good. The most infuriating aspect of 3.X/pathfinder is the community they have bred, and the awful habits they've instilled in players.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:24:17 No.43365201 Report Delete

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>>43365101
Wizard senpai would rather put his books inside his planar mansion next to his laboratory or god-forbid, his bag of holding than letting the dirty meatshield sully it with his blood.

It also infuriatingly stupid that the packmule by RAW is as strong as the Barbarian but while the barbarian has the rage powers to use his strength to lift a boulder and throw it at people, The fucking packmule can lift a boulder but can't throw, can uproot a fucking tree but can't use it as a makeshift club.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:24:27 No.43365204 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365244

>>43365121
I wish Kinetic Healing could be done to unwilling targets, it would make the Kineticist the best bad touch class around.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:24:42 No.43365208 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365220 >>43365336

>>43365042
Totally a cohort archetype.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:25:40 No.43365220 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365304

>>43365208
The fighter is an entire class of goddamn cohort archetypes.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:25:56 No.43365226 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365252 >>43365292

>>43365139
>>43365175
I wouldn't take offense to it, if he wasn't such an insufferable prick about the damage he think's he's capable of, the guy makes 5 minute roleplay speeches about how he does his gather energy, and acts like its this huge deal when he drops empowered blasts on things.

It almost makes me want to make a blaster wizard just so I can show him how shit his numbers really are.

I wont do that, but jesus christ.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:27:25 No.43365244 Report Delete

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>>43365204
kinetic healing against unwilling targets may actually prove to be a stronger offensive option that the kinetic blast. Just imagine how many peasants you could incapacitate for a day by touching them a couple of times.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:27:49 No.43365252 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365226
You COULD just roll an initiator.
No need to minmax. Just drop a stance, a strike and watch the Kineticist cry that his minmax'd pile of shit is doing slightly lower damage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:28:10 No.43365256 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365279

What's that stance that grants fast healing again?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:30:10 No.43365279 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365504

>>43365256
The level 5 silver crane, or the level 3 elemental flux.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:31:02 No.43365292 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365334

>>43365226
No need to make a blaster wizard.

/pfg/ already did the math and the archer fighter does the same damage as the kineticist and he doesn't have to worry about burn.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:31:53 No.43365304 Report Delete

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>>43365220

Let's be fair, Eldritch Guardian/Martial Master/Mutation Warrior Fighters can actually be kinda neat, even if that was almost certainly a fluke that only happened because EVENTUALLY there had to be a good set of archetypes that stacked.

The kineticist just reminds me how many people, Buhlman among them, would probably piss blood at 5e, and its notion that cantrips actually doing pretty legit damage without any sort of ammo count is a.) perfectly fine, and b.) balanced out by taking away casters' ability to grab extra spells just by dumping all their points into the casting stat and making them use EXACTLY the amount that's written in the handbook.

People read classes weird in paizo. Lots of dice come across as something that must be really powerful, even though it's usually not as good as it looks (Vital Strike, one of the least-justifiable feat chains in the game, Sneak Attack, the moderate damage booster you have to jump through hoops to set up consistently, and the kineticist, which is the kineticist) while being far too reassured by the small, small numbers written in the Arcanist's spells per day column, intentionally ignoring that a.) those numbers are a lot bigger when you add them together and throw in some scrolls and wands and b.) the Arcanist probably has a number of extra spells in most of those columns due to having stupidly high INT to better facilitate DC: Fuck You spells.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:32:58 No.43365316 Report Delete

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>>43365096
You know, I do miss rolling the 3e Warlock, but I find rolling an Elemental Master Arcanist functionally similar.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:34:11 No.43365334 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365354 >>43365371 >>43365391 >>43365396

>>43365292
The thing is, the guy is convinced his damage is on par with, if not better than a blasting wizard.

He's even going to be taking leadership so he can get another kineticist, so they can both stand in one spot all combat and combine blasts.

Something about that just infuriates me, probably the absolute lack of a combat plan, same shit every round, with no movement whatsoever.

It has all the tactical finesse of watching paint dry.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:34:28 No.43365336 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365381 >>43365393 >>43365465 >>43365794

>>43365208
>taking a feat when you could get a bag of holding
Even as a cohort it doesnt work

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:35:43 No.43365354 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365376

>>43365334
That's my problem with Kineticist as a whole. Yes, you can do decent enough damage all day long, but that's fucking boring. I want to do crazy infusions all over the place, not sit around and do the same blasts over and over until something dies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:37:18 No.43365371 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365334
Take Leadership, make a Warrior that uses a bow, and outdamage him.

Yes, Warrior. Not Fighter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:37:53 No.43365376 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365354
>Yes, you can do decent enough damage all day long, but that's fucking boring.

Welcome to a fighter's life.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:38:04 No.43365381 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365441

>>43365336
A bag of holding can't swing a sword.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:38:45 No.43365391 Report Delete

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>>43365334
don't be ableist, even the most retarded of weebs should be allowed to enjoy pathfinder

but the moment shit hits the fan, you dimension door away and wait for the remorhaz to finish digesting him

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:39:07 No.43365393 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365444

>>43365336

Particularly because there are so very many more useful things you could be doing with a cohort.

Find a hole in the party, like nobody wanting to play a healbot or whatever, and plug that shit up. Possibly with a waifu.

Maybe as a henchman you pay a couple SP to carry out loot, but that's about all I'd use a pack mule for. I might just buy an ACTUAL mule.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:39:15 No.43365396 Report Delete

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>>43365334
Ask your GM to ramp encounters up a notch, and see how you all do. If he flounders while the rest succeed, it'll prove your point.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:42:41 No.43365441 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365381
Awakened Bag of Holding.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:42:43 No.43365444 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365453

>>43365393
>tfw taking a ninja-themed rogue as a cohort in a sengoku jidai themed campaign
shogunate here we come

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:43:37 No.43365453 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365480

>>43365444
>nina-themed rogue
You mean a Ninja?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:44:17 No.43365465 Report Delete

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>>43365336

>Helga the witch thought it was wise to choose a pack mule fighter for her cohort. She needed someone brawny, but in truth, with how often things fell asleep with her on game, what she really needed was someone good at carrying the treasure. And he was even handsome, in his own way. It seemed a good investment at the time.
>That was before AM BARBARIAN met HIS cohort. The partnership between Helga's burly teammate and the kinky synthesist summoner that served him was a match made in heaven, bringing AM BARBARIAN to whole new heights as Helga found her manservant roughly as useful as a bag of holding.
>Every night, Helga hears Synthesist enjoying her job as AM BARBARIAN's mount, and realizes she made a mistake not to hire that handsome Witchguard Ranger.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:45:18 No.43365480 Report Delete

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>>43365453
Ki is gay

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:45:59 No.43365488 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365540 >>43365676 >>43367750

>>43356953
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/11s0QOvYSzcOZNxyhqrKnJrIg-jROgdUxM0o8jUHRdzM/edit

I can't believe how good of an archetype this is. At this point, it feels like its own hybrid class instead of a Soulknife. Reminds of the Masquerade Reveler in how much it changes the Soulknife's game. I really must test this out soon, because it looks like a lot of fun. Meaningful choices to be made every morning too.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:47:08 No.43365504 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365525 >>43365537

>>43365279
Right then. Thanks much.

>>43365121
What level are you? Because it's looking like rolling up a Vitalist 1/Warder 8 is also unlimited healing, on a much more robust frame. (Assuming that you trait/tradition into Elemental Flux; alternately, I'm pretty sure Mystic is Wis anyhow, so that would also work, but I'm not familiar with it.)

Of course it's not going to be the most efficient means of healing - straight Vitalist is probably better, or for that matter, Sorcerer or Wizard with Wands of Infernal Healing - but it is unlimited if that's what he's latching onto as his sole criterion.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:47:21 No.43365507 Report Delete

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>>43365480
>Ki is gay
Well fuck you too, bitch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:49:01 No.43365525 Report Delete

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>>43365504
>but it is unlimited if that's what he's latching onto as his sole criterion.
What about just buying or crafting Boots of the Earth?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:49:53 No.43365537 Report Delete

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>>43365504
Heading into level 8

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:50:18 No.43365539 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366147

This is a question for anyone who is familiar with Curse of the Crimson Throne, or just Korvosa in general. I have no one who really knows the setting well enough to get an answer to this question, so I turn to you guys.

So players are about to turn level 3. They're just coming up on the end of their drawn-out dealings with Devargo, with the goal being to learn who's behind him, which is the Arkona Family.

Do you think level 3 in Book 1 is too early to drop the Arkona plotline into the mix? The family comes into the story in Book 3, because before then it's way too high level and high-politic for the group to really have any way of doing anything about the noble family, but it's bound to be a thing they keep bringing up if so.

But I'm not sure how to obscure them. The point of their current plotline is literally to learn who's funding Devargo, so it can't end with them learning nothing. I'm not sure how to give them satisfying information, but have them not hook onto it as a major thing they need to focus on.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:50:17 No.43365540 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365556 >>43365591 >>43365595

>>43365488
Soulknife Spiritualist?

Neat I guess. Getting a Shaman King kinda vibes from it

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:51:31 No.43365556 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365595

>>43365540
>Soulknife Spiritualist

Isnt that called an Ectoplasmatist Spiritualist?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:53:48 No.43365591 Report Delete

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>>43365540
Soulknife - the only class I've seen in /pfg/ that has elicited the most anime-inspired characters in roleplaying tables.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:54:01 No.43365595 Report Delete

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>>43365540
>>43365556
Its actually Soulknife Medium, but I think running it as Shaman King is a great idea. Using spirit possession with different spirits to form new weapons and using the spirit's abilities.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:54:04 No.43365596 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365684 >>43368767

>>43365525
Not familiar with those; details?

(That said, any Fast Healing+Vitalist is unlimited healing for your entire collective as long as you retain a single point of damage (or possibly not, but it's possible that the GM would rule that you don't heal if you have no damage TO heal, so that's safest), so if they do that, it works fine.)

Also of note: I'm aware that a Vitalist 8 in a party with the Warder 8 would work better simply because there's not a lot of reason for the one level dip outside of the relatively niche thing I'm attempting to pull off, but I'm attempting to keep it on one person, so that he can't claim that it's not as good because it takes more people to function.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 02:58:37 No.43365639 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365662

>>43365537
Hmm. Out of curiosity, what are you now? I kinda want to see if you can outheal him as what you are while also outdamaging him.

>'Select all the food'.
>Not sure if that's a really shitty photo of snowpeas or some sort of horrible disease at 3000x magnification.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:01:00 No.43365662 Report Delete

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>>43365639
I have no healing capabilities, Unchained Barbarian.

I can outdamage him with ease.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:02:47 No.43365676 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365688

>>43365488
Its better than an actual medium in every way. But i guess that's the medium's fault.

Man, imagine playing a medium if he could pick two spirits each day and swap between them or if he had full BAB or if he DIDN'T FUCKING SUCK FUCK YOU PAIZO FUCK YOUUUU

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:03:27 No.43365684 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365700 >>43365708

>>43365596
>(or possibly not, but it's possible that the GM would rule that you don't heal if you have no damage TO heal, so that's safest)
Nothing stops you from just using a dagger to stab yourself. Not like you don't have the healing ability to heal it as soon as your buddies are done recovering anyways. If the GM is a dick and says you can't do that (despite it being RAW), then you can just have one of your teammates hit you.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:03:42 No.43365688 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365704

>>43365676
That archetype is a hilarious snub to Paizo on so many levels.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:05:07 No.43365700 Report Delete

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>>43365684
OR just step on a caltrop on purpose.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:05:17 No.43365704 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365752

>>43365688
Honestly if i had designed the medium i would have kept it exactly as it is now but made it so you can change spirit with a full round action.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:05:58 No.43365708 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365748

>>43365684
Oh, true. Just that it's simpler to not let yourself go above [Max HP-1] until everyone's healed, just in case. Though I suppose finding out if it's necessary might be worth it the first time.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:08:14 No.43365734 Report Delete

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Does your setting make sense economically, /pfg/?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:08:38 No.43365740 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365768 >>43365800

How fucked is a Kineticist in a strait jacket?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:09:46 No.43365748 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365843

>>43365708
>Obtain Fire Resistance 5
>Set self On Fire for 1d6 per round
>Willingly fail the save permanently
>BY THE FLAME, BE HEALED!

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:10:01 No.43365752 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365771

>>43365704
Medium is 'shitty Binder', isn't it? In which case if I'd been in charge of design for OA I'd have said 'Um. No, we're not going to try and do Binder-for-PF when there is already a perfectly good* one made; if we want to do spirits we should do them in a different way.'.

*Radiance House's Occultist. Which I haven't actually looked at, though I have heard it's decent. If it's also shit then there's more room for another version.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:11:05 No.43365768 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365740
Depends.
Lube or no Lube?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:11:21 No.43365771 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365814

>>43365752
They're all pretty mediocre, but so is the Binder itself.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:13:27 No.43365794 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365817

>>43365336
unless that cohort is a terrifying beastie who took class levels.

but even then, why not just get the beastie to take useful class levels instead and just carry the bag of holding?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:14:22 No.43365800 Report Delete

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>>43365740
Utterly.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:15:01 No.43365814 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365827

>>43365771
Yeah, fair. Binder itself would have been amusing to combo with a few things in PF, though. (Naberius+Vitalist, specifically.)

I don't actually recall, though; it was T3, right? Or did it end up dropped to T4?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:15:18 No.43365817 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43365794
Well, yeah. Thats my point.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:16:18 No.43365827 Report Delete

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>>43365814
It was on the border. Web vestiges set it more firmly in T3.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:17:21 No.43365837 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365872 >>43365874 >>43365963 >>43366263

>Entire party is Wizards.
How do you GM for this, /pfg/ ?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:17:42 No.43365843 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365868

>>43365748
god bless you naked on-fire man!

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:19:24 No.43365868 Report Delete

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>>43365843
It's like the Flagellants, but better!
>Take 1 Bleed damage.
>Just never take any action to stop it.

Alternately, Vampires could strap Boots of Earth on somebody, jab them once with something that causes 1 Bleed damage, and proceed to collect infinite blood.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:19:37 No.43365872 Report Delete

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>>43365837
Mindscape campaign.

Entire party is inside BBEG Wizard's head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:19:44 No.43365874 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365891 >>43366013

>>43365837
All their enemies are wizards.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:20:09 No.43365878 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43365886 >>43365891 >>43366043 >>43366263

>>43365507
>Paladin in our game takes that archetype that trades out 'detect evil' at will for 'detect ki' at will

Why would you ever

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:20:45 No.43365886 Report Delete

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>>43365878

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:21:16 No.43365891 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366140 >>43370113

>>43365874
>Entire planet is Wizards
The fucking madness.

>>43365878
The tragedy of Detect Shitty Class Feature being that it can't detect itself.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:28:11 No.43365963 Report Delete

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>>43365837
You TPK them, and then they roll up a more diverse party.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:32:24 No.43366013 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366030 >>43366099 >>43366102

>>43365874
This would actually be amazing.

>Every enemy is a chess match of who prepared and cast the right spells to bypass the spells the enemy used
>Every spell trick the party comes up with is also available to enemy wizards, because 'come on, it's a whole planet of high-INT characters, do you really think you'd have been the first person to come up with that?'
>Eventually once the whole party has gotten used to the fact every enemy is a wizard, you send barbarians and maximum sneak attack rogues after them
>With a trio of wizards tagging along, as well

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:33:46 No.43366030 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366074 >>43366102

>>43366013
Every enemy is a wizard with Dispel Magic prepared and readied.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:35:07 No.43366043 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366263

>>43365878
>detect ki
forgive me, I did not think this was actually a thing due to the absolute retardation of a detect ki power. Just WHY? Why is that a thing? Who the fuck sees a ki-user and thinks "boy I sure wish I knew whether or not that person has ki"?

The only use I can think of for detect ki is to keep tabs on the party monk to make sure he doesn't run off and kill himself to roll up a better character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:38:03 No.43366074 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366088 >>43366099

>>43366030
>Party buys wands of silent image to cast first so the enemies waste their Dispel Magic against fake spells
>Enemy wizards also do this if the party prepares dispel magic

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:39:34 No.43366088 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43366074
Better yet,Mage's Dysjunction, Mage's Dysjunction everywhere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:40:42 No.43366099 Report Delete

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>>43366013
>>43366074
Based on experince, in a war against wizards, the Abjuration and Conjuration wizards are King and Queen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:40:53 No.43366102 Report Delete

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>>43366013
>>43366030
the BBEG is a dispelling/unsummoning/etc-specialized arcanist who hates all magic everywhere of all types (ironic i know) and seeks to permanently sever it from the multiverse.

he runs entirely on "fuck you and your magic", actively dispelling or counterspelling whatever is thrown at him, or while not in combat, unraveling deep ancient magics whenever possible (shattering the paling that keeps monsters out of a prominent city, stealing and destroying magical lodestones from mages' sanctums, and so on).

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:44:12 No.43366140 Report Delete

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>>43365891
Welcome to Faerun.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:44:40 No.43366147 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366234

>>43365539
Book 1 isn't too early. If you read about what happens with all The World's Meat and Vancaskerkin, he's there because of Vimanda Arkona.

Maybe they learn that Desvargo feeds information to the Arkonas who the players take to be just another noble family keeping it's ears open for useful information. Later on, they learn that they're the ones behind the Cerulean Society in the third adventure when they take them on.

In my game, the players befriended Vancaskerkin and learned he was intimate with Melyia Arkona, who one of the players met as she was a fellow students at Vencarlo's fighting school. They got along well so when the players went after the Arkonas, they teamed up with Melyia to take out Glorio.

In truth, Vimanda wanted to use them to kill her brother Bahor and it all worked according to her plan. Players still don't know she manipulated them.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:50:03 No.43366201 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366226

>>43363950
As a side note in this discussion: in addition to being a god, camazotz were also basically the Mayan version of Vampires(it's implied there's multiple, and the one encountered in the Popul Vuh is just the God one.), and were used in Scion, Shin Megami Tensei, and as the basis for the Red Court in the Dresden Files.

The idea of Paizo snatching an idea up that was already being used by other companies isn't that absurd.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:52:39 No.43366226 Report Delete

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>>43366201
Yeah, there is that. I was more willing to assume that they were going for the parallels to 'everything is the same' in vampirism than that they actually did research into that sort of thing, but if it was already actively in common use, much more believable.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:53:36 No.43366234 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366328

>>43366147
>If you read about what happens with all The World's Meat and Vancaskerkin, he's there because of Vimanda Arkona.
True, but he doesn't give that up outside the very far off chance the players convert him to Friendly, and even then nothing about what he knows would implicate that the Arkonas were involved in anything more than paying the guards to give out free meat. (I removed the human meat thing, because I think that's a miserable plot thread that serves no purpose).

>Maybe they learn that Desvargo feeds information to the Arkonas
Part of my re-writes included removing the "blackmail" thing from Devargo, since that was a horrible piece of story that needed to be changed. Instead, the Arkonas are using Devargo (who they bought many years ago) to begin their plan to slowly undermine the city and the Queen so they can take over. One of the methods they've been putting into motion was having Devargo spread his Shiver farther and farther into the city, getting more and more people addicted so that they can eventually distribute a special laced version that Gaedren had developed to knock out that chunk of the population. (It's just a coincidence that the Queen is going to do a similar thing later).

The important part here is that the players are going to stop Devargo (I've made sure of that, whether they realize it or not), and get him to reveal who is working with him (which is the task Cressida Kroft gave them instead of the blackmail thing).

So I'm just not sure if giving up the "The Arkonas are behind it all!" thing is suitable (I don't think it is), or what I could do instead.

(Cont.)

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:55:25 No.43366263 Report Delete

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>>43365837
All enemies are martial disciples. Even random encounters.

I have a folder full of initiator mooks that I've made statblocks for.

You think Wind Wall will protect you? That enemy archer is a Hawkguard 4 with Tempest Gale.

>>43365878
>>43366043
He probably wants to determine enemy power levels because he's thinks it works like DBZ.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:56:53 No.43366278 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366306 >>43366314 >>43366764

>New player joins the party
>Never met them before but they seem like a cool guy
>However, their build is kind of awful
>They've done decently with what they have, but their chosen class is bad by default in a way their build hasn't really made up for, and I think they'll fall behind the rest of us

How do I tell them? Should I even tell them, or just mumble to myself in silence?

I don't know them well enough to be sure they don't come on here so no specifics

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:58:49 No.43366306 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366351

>>43366278
If they're having fun, just let it be.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:00:04 No.43366314 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43366278
Let him struggle to survive. Through his struggle, he will learn how to make better PCs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:01:05 No.43366328 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43366234
Also, the players already found a clue pointing to the Arkonas, they just don't know it yet.

To get in with Devargo, he had them go raid a vault in the sewers that had recently been uncovered when an Otyugh escaped, opening once-blocked sewer passages.

He wanted what's in the Vault, though he didn't say why. The actual item was a Third Eye Gem owned by Bahor (he has a ton), so he knew where it was. It had accidentally been lost when members of his family broke into the Acadamae years ago, and a Pathfinder woman picked it up in her investigation of the break-in. (The actual event is mentioned in the text for the Third Eye Gem, about Bahor and Vimanda stealing magic and secrets from the Acadamae in exchange for the Third Eye magic, but the event is never detailed).

So the players hit the Vault (The Veteran's Vault PFS module), got the Third Eye (shaped like one of those three-head women), and gave it to Devargo, only learning before turning it in that it's Vudrani in nature.

So they've got the hook set, I just don't know if I want to tug on it right now. But I cannot for the life of me think of a way for Devargo to misdirect them or possibly keep the truth somewhat a mystery so that there's still something left to investigate.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:02:41 No.43366351 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366786

>>43366306
That's good advice.
I think I'll do that.

I just hope they'll be okay with doing about 1/4 the damage of any other member, in a way that's possibly limited to X times per day.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:05:07 No.43366395 Report Delete

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Rate my autistic cheese race, /pfg/. GM thinks custom races are fair and balanced, gave us a 20RP limit, and I'm approved to play a Wizard, claiming that the campaign will be a "meat grinder" and "not to get too attached". And that any official Paizo material is allowed, but no 3PP whatsoever.

My main question for you folks is "Should I dump absolutely everything into more INT, or are the feats worth it?"

Race Points: The Oughpie

Power Level: Advanced (11-20RP)

Type: Humanoid (Orc, Elf) (0RP)

Size: Medium (0RP)

Speed: Slow Speed (-1RP)

Ability Score Modifier: Advanced (+2 STR, +2 DEX, +2 CON, +4 INT, -2 CHA) (4RP)

Language: Linguist (Common+Elven or Orcish) (1RP)

Racial Traits

Ability Score Traits:
Advanced Intelligence (4RP)
Advanced Intelligence (5RP)

Feat and Skill Traits:
Flexible Bonus Feat (4RP)
Static Bonus Feat (Spell Penetration) (2RP)
Quick Reactions (2RP)

Senses:
Darkvision 60 Feet (2RP)

Weakness:
Light Blindness (-2RP)
Negative Energy Affinity (-1RP)

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:22:39 No.43366565 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366571

What's the best stat spread for 15 pb?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:23:22 No.43366571 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366577

>>43366565
Depends on class.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:23:59 No.43366577 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366600 >>43366632

>>43366571
Warlord

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:25:34 No.43366600 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366615

>>43366577
Dex based or Str based?
Dex is probably better but eats up two feats.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:26:47 No.43366615 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43366600
Strength currently, still time to switch to dex.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:28:18 No.43366632 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366673 >>43367084

>>43366577
I'd guess 15-10-13-10-10-14

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:33:07 No.43366673 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366713 >>43367084

>>43366632
Ugh, I was afraid of that. That's close to the stats I got myself. Should probably get weapon or discipline focus as one of my feats, yeah?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:36:12 No.43366713 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366745

>>43366673
Discipline Focus, probably-with boosts and gambits, you don't really need that much extra to hit.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:36:20 No.43366715 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366775

Ok... so stacking all the grappling feats I could on a wild child brawler.
I'm seeing a +34 grapple bonus at 20, [+41 to maintain if it doesn't break.] and up to 12d8+33 [45-129] damage per round maintaining grapple. (Rapid grapple chain) And a CMD of 47 for them to break out of it.

Outside ungrappleable things, how terrible is it?

Grappler Spec Human 16,16,16,7,12,10 (25pb) +2 Str
01: Improved Grapple, Deadly Grappler, Brawler's Cunning, Martial Flexibility, Martial Training, Unarmed Strike, Animal Companion
02: Brawler's Flurry (2WF)
03: Weapon Focus (Grapple), Maneuver Training (Grapple)
04: AC Bonus +1, Knockout 1/day, +1 WIS
05: Kraken Style, Wild Tricks, Brawler's Strike (magic), Hunter's Tricks
06: Martial Flexibility (Swift Action)
07: Greater Grapple, Maneuver Training 2 (Trip, Grapple 2)
08: Brawler's Flurry (Im2WF), +1 WIS
09: Rapid Grappler, AC Bonus +2, Brawler's Strike (cold iron and silver)
10: Martial Flexibility (Free Action), Knockout 2/day
11: Chokehold, Maneuver Training 3 (Disarm, Trip 2, Grapple 3)
12: Brawler's Strike (Alignment), Martial Flexibility (Immediate Action), +1STR
13: Kraken Throttle, AC Bonus +3
14:
15: Kraken Wrack, Brawler's Flurry (Gr2WF), Maneuver Training 4 (Bull Rush, Disarm 2, Trip 3, Grapple 4)
16: Awesome Blow, Knockout 3/day, +1STR
17: Grabbing Style, Brawler's Strike (Adamantine)
18: AC bonus +4
19: Body Shield, Maneuver Training 5 (Overrun, Bull Rush 2, Disarm 3, Trip 4, Grapple 5)
20: Improved Awesome Blow, Martial Flexibility (Any Number) +1INT

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:39:23 No.43366745 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366760

>>43366713
Doing Scarlet Throne and Riven Hourglass, so not much to-hit boosting early on. Got Acrobatic and Flanker's Gambit right now; are there ones that are flat-out better?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:40:54 No.43366760 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366800

>>43366745
I'd more of a fan of Victory and Charge Gambit, but if you are taking Acrobatic, I'd suggest picking up Offensive Roll to go with it. You can deal a crapton of damage at level one with it.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:41:05 No.43366764 Report Delete

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>>43366278
Politely say 'Hey, so you know, that class might have some trouble keeping up later because it's not so great to start with; want to either go over it with [me/the group depending on preference and if the rest of the group will fuck them over] and try to find some options it has that make up for it a little better, or find something else that fits your concept?'.

If the answer's no, let it be; if yes, then do just that. If they get into it with fair warning that they might not do the best, they're more likely to accept 'hey, dude was right' instead of just thinking 'well, this sucks, I'm going to do something else'.

Besides (especially in a system with as many trap options as PF has), it's just common courtesy to offer some help if one of the people you're gaming with is going to do something that'll suck for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:42:02 No.43366775 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366784 >>43367481

>>43366715
ok so maybe in a like pvp situation grapples work

but your level 20 right? top of your game, you've trained all your life to be the very best at grappling. a cr 17 will probubly have 40 cmd or in the case of a Behemoth Golem 56.

so....

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:43:08 No.43366784 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367481

>>43366775
That's about what I though.

Also the golem is likely large or bigger, so that's a penalty there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:43:14 No.43366786 Report Delete

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>>43366351
Also fair; I was assuming pre-game, in which case the warning would help ensure that even if they didn't have fun, they didn't blame it on the game. (And 'new' as in 'new to tabletop generally'.)

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:44:26 No.43366800 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366814 >>43367084

>>43366760
The way Victory is worded makes it seem hard to use. Don't you have to declare it before an attack, and you get raked if you don't kill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:46:24 No.43366814 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366851

>>43366800
Yeah, but add up a damage strike and you should generally oneshot a CR 1 enemy, or use it to finish an already damaged enemy.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:48:51 No.43366838 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367817 >>43367844

Opinions on twf Slayer?

Getting in to a new group that is mostly non frontliners. Elf Sorcerer, Magus, Gnome Cleric, Unchained Monk currently wearing heavy Armour wielding a longspear.

16 Point buy with pretty rare magical artifacts as far as I can tell, going to be starting at level 3. My main concern is whether twf is really any better than non twf. Getting access to ranger combat style feats will save me loads of trouble with prerequisites early on though.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:50:11 No.43366851 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366872

>>43366814
Only thing I have right now that boosts damage is Scarlet Einhander. Makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong trying to stick to a theme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:52:04 No.43366872 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366886

>>43366851
What theme would that be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:53:37 No.43366886 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43366918 >>43366956

>>43366872
Resurrected pharoah.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:56:30 No.43366918 Report Delete

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>>43366886
Would you want some homebrew? I have an Akashic initiator 'Emperor' that you can look at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:59:39 No.43366946 Report Delete

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>>43366918
Sounds cool, but it was enough trouble getting PoW allowed, so I need to stick to that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:00:28 No.43366956 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367098

>>43366886
I'm confused; why is that stopping you from taking damaging things?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:13:55 No.43367084 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367133

>>43366632
>>43366673

Sorry, forgot about the thread for a bit.
If you take weapon finesse and deadly agility you can dump STR to 7 for extra points for dex/con/cha.

>>43366800
Victory Gambit is amazing; keep in mind that it adds CHA to hit on all your attacks against the enemy you want to beat.

Acrobatic Gambit has also served me well as a dex warlord that pumped acrobatics, but keep in mind that if you're going to be facing a lot of huge monsters in the campaign rather than humanoids, their CMD will go up very quickly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:15:46 No.43367098 Report Delete

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>>43366956
I dunno; maybe just a hard time justifying to myself why the character would have maneuvers from those disciplines.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:17:47 No.43367117 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367142 >>43367146

>>43367098
Fair enough. I'll help later - right now I have literally three hours to finish my Warder//Aegis gestalt and I haven't even started on her backstory.

SPEEDRUN GO!

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:19:27 No.43367133 Report Delete

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>>43367084
I had forgot that about Victory; might be a good replacement for Flanker's, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:20:53 No.43367142 Report Delete

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>>43367117
Godspeed, then. Sleep beckons me and I have much to think about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:21:30 No.43367146 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367186 >>43367199

>>43367117
>Three hours to finish a gestalt initiator build

You're going to be ded

Reminder that you can take Student of the Astral Suit to get the customization points/access of an Aegis four levels higher, so you can dip four levels into other things
Or the Practiced Initiator trait which lets you be something like a Aegis 3/Warder 4 with the effective maneuvers and customizations of an Aegis 7/Warder 7, freeing up the entire other side of your gestalt

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:25:59 No.43367186 Report Delete

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>>43367146
Yyyyeah, just a bit. Also thank you for the suggestions. Even though you're a bastard because I've already set up to be Warder 10//Aegis 10. Aaaaagh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:27:26 No.43367198 Report Delete

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>>43363088
No, that's extracts. Infusions are extracts usable by anyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:27:41 No.43367199 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367315

>>43367146
Also, actually, where are those, since I'm not finding them on the SRD?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:41:08 No.43367315 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367342 >>43367363

>>43367199
Practiced Initiator is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EPARqt5jpie03MIXStgFrNK_si6g218bjT4TFbcizPY/edit?pli=1
Your GM might not allow playtest material but it's just the Initiator equivalent of those caster and psionic traits that give you +2 effective levels up to your HD.

Student of the Astral Suit is a feat not on the SRD but found in ultimate psionics. It requires Invigorating Suit (Ie Aegis 3) and lets you have customization points and pick customizations as if you were an Aegis four levels higher, again up to your HD.
Note that if you go Initiator's Soul customization, this feat won't boost your aegis initiator level. Still really good though, I end up dipping 3 levels into Aegis in half the initiators I build.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:43:29 No.43367342 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367369

>>43367315
Sadly I doubt I have SotAS access, but we'll see. Miiiight be able to swing it with my GM.

I'm already using Eternal Guardian (along with Golden Lion), so a playtest feat should be fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:45:21 No.43367363 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367405

>>43367315
Eh, actually, I misread - I don't know how much use I have for those, honestly, given that I'm happy with the build I currently have and have no idea what I'd dip?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:45:59 No.43367369 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367403

>>43367342
Practiced Initiator's a trait, not a feat.
Also, the one thing you miss out on is non-maneuver class feature progression, but it's just about making the dip worth it.

The SRD is missing a lot of stuff in ultimate psionics and it's worth running the pdf by your GM; it's 100% 'canon' since it's just an expanded version of all the original PF psionics stuff (ie where the Aegis itself is from)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:49:32 No.43367403 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367435

>>43367369
Eh. Like I said, I'm already going full 10//10 in both to be THE TANKIEST TANK and also help my party be tankier - not sure what else I'd go that helps with that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:49:38 No.43367405 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367445 >>43367516

>>43367363
Yeah, they're not much use for you if you don't want to dip anything, but they make dips pretty painless.

If you're a STR based character you could dip Alchemist or Barbarian for mutagens and rage, or Brutal Slayer Stalker for their Brutal Strikes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:51:17 No.43367420 Report Delete

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>>43362782
Aw, but I like the map that's covered in memes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:53:18 No.43367435 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367459 >>43367516

>>43367403
Even though you're not cha-based you could dip Zealot and be a magic tank - redirecting 5 damage per class level from any one attack per round from an ally to yourself.

Or dip something that gives INT to AC - off the top of my head I don't know what does this besides the Dervish Defender warder archetype, but I'm sure there's something.
Oracle with Life Mystery can get a revelation that 'binds' your life to allies, making you a cheap automatic zealot: if they ever have more than 5 damage on them, at the start of the round that damage automatically moves to you.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:55:02 No.43367445 Report Delete

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>>43367405
Alchemist and Barbarian might work. Unfortunately I've literally never played either. Cleric was my initial thought, but I'm not sure what a two-level or so dip in it will do as far as buffs...

Ah well. Either way, seems a moot point now; the person I borrow a computer from is up earlier than expected, so I'm out of time to make her. Unless I can manage to squeak by in the evening, which just might work - did manage to do up my Druid//Ranger in two or so hours last time I was joining a gestalt game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:57:15 No.43367457 Report Delete

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Subjective question, /pfg/. What's the best way to run a Cleric of Desna? Should I try and invest in being able to throw a Starknife for damage or no? Luck and Travel or Luck and Liberation domains? Is the Spherewalker prestige class worth?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:57:40 No.43367459 Report Delete

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>>43367435
Already went Zweihander Sentinel, though I might be able to get Int to AC somehow, yeah. If I turn out to have time tonight still, I'll look into both those ideas more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:00:31 No.43367481 Report Delete

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>>43366775
>>43366784
Worth noting is that if you choose to play an Aberrant Aegis, you can actually make it work. Solid BAB, the tentacles customization, huge size + powerful build + another size increase lets you count as colossal during a grapple, and the whole thing gives you solid levels of strength. Spend some of your WBL on a strength tome and you should be sitting pretty with 40 strength.

20 BAB, +15 strength modifier, +6 modifier for having four tentacles, +4 from the grab ability, +8 for counting as colossal, +4 from improved and greater grapple. Total +57 modifier, and I'm sure you can crank it higher; that's just off the top of my head (possibly with Eldritch Heritage or something). And since the tentacles have the Grab special ability, you can just make full attacks until one of the tentacles gets a hit and then start your grapple as a free action.

To put this in perspective, a Tor Linnorm, which is a CR 21 beastie and meant to be a singular boss, has a CMD of 50 (54 against grapples), meaning you can grapple it on anything higher than a 1, since a 1 is an auto-failure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:05:20 No.43367516 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367536

>>43367405
>>43367435

Or we could do that now since it seems to have been a false alarm? Unusual but I can't say I mind.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:05:49 No.43367518 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367525 >>43367539

How to create a character in crunch (a lil' fluff too) that is a manipulative bastard who gets others to do things for him, whether they be NPCs or other PCs (more the former than the latter), and is largely not really combat oriented, perhaps more focused on skills?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:06:44 No.43367525 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367537

>>43367518
Does 'diplomancer' mean anything to you? Pretty sure that's still viable in PF.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:08:24 No.43367536 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367555

>>43367516
To be honest I initially made the suggestion of that trait/feat combo to bully you into having more decision paralysis
If you want to go straight Warder/Aegis 10 that's perfectly fine, but dipping is always open

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:08:33 No.43367537 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367561

>>43367525
Yes. Now how to go about that? Would you do Rogue for the extra skill points? Or some other class for whatever reason? Are there feats that enhance this factor?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:09:01 No.43367539 Report Delete

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>>43367518
>perhaps more focused on skills?
GEE I WONDER WHAT THIS FEAT CALLED "SKILL FOCUS" DOES

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:11:26 No.43367555 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367612

>>43367536
Hah. Gotcha.

Speaking of that, though, question. Does the 10th level improvement on Defensive Focus apply only when one is recovering maneuvers as a full round action, like the middle chunk? Or is it always-on? It's a bit ambiguous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:12:27 No.43367561 Report Delete

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>>43367537
Something that gets Glibness, but I'm also TimecrunchAnon so I can't be of much more help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:18:42 No.43367612 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367661 >>43367713 >>43367737

>>43367555
I read it as always on, because the first chunk of the passage about INT to AoOs is also always on.

Also note that the threatened area boost starts at 5ft and then increases to 10ft at level 5, and so on. One of the devs clarified.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:22:48 No.43367641 Report Delete

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>>43363961
>>43364103
Oh dude. KEEP the 'divide by 0' error.
Keep it, and point it out.

You CAN become a mindborn lich, with all the powers combined... and *that* is the risk you take.

Die, and in a few days, when you would finally recover, the exact midpoint between your two phylactery-or-nots explodes (bag and hole variety) like a tiny supernova, leaving behind a newborn sphere of annihilation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:24:44 No.43367661 Report Delete

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>>43367612
That's my reading too, just wanted to make sure.

And oh, nice then, thanks for the note on that one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:30:12 No.43367713 Report Delete

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>>43367612
>Running on autopilot, just cruising down the list.
>Accidentally add an ability that I don't have a high enough level for yet.

I am very silly sometimes and offer this in hopes it might amuse you for your help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:32:30 No.43367737 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368013

>>43367612
...also ran into a WTF. Zweihander Sentinel replaces the 'Improved Aegis' ability, except that there is no such ability. Unless it means that it replaces all improvements Aegis gets, which would be kinda insane. Especially as you get a bonus that scales off of Aegis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:33:58 No.43367750 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367757

>>43365488
Very pretty.
Speaking of soulknives, It's nigh impossible to find something that would fit a ranged warsoul.

Quite obviously, the weapon would have to be some kind of holographic multilaser or plasma cannon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:34:50 No.43367757 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367778

>>43367750
"Did someone ask for Megaman?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:37:56 No.43367778 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367824

>>43367757
Ah, but an opaque, solid arm cannon is actually an akashic cannon veil, NOT a mind blade!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:40:17 No.43367802 Report Delete

Quoted By:

Ok, so, how bad of an idea is this?

Dreamweaver Witch 11
Harrower 4
Raven Lord Harbinger 5

Using arcane armor training, weapon finesse, and boon companion to supplement harbinger. The rest devoted to spell casting feats.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:42:32 No.43367817 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367844

>>43366838

>16 point buy
>Martial

kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:43:06 No.43367824 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367832 >>43367840

>>43367778
This is true. Though I imagine you could do something along those lines easily enough in a 3.PF game with a Warforged, fluffing the Mind Bolt as just the projectiles.

Meanwhile, I am now staring in horror at my archetype. Because apparently it replaces two class features that do not exist. Or nerfs the progression of something that it explicitly scales on in some unspecified fashion that does not have sufficient steps to remove all progressions, which would be ridiculous because not only would it be far less useful it would be impossible to tell what things you were supposed to not get. Help?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:44:07 No.43367832 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367866

>>43367824
Note: Archetype is Zweihander Sentinel on Warder; it replaces 'Improved Aegis' and 'Greater Aegis', neither of which exist. (I did not see the latter when I mentioned it before.)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:44:52 No.43367840 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367858

>>43367824
Oh building the character's not an issue. I was talking about art.

It's pretty much all daggers or a sword!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:45:22 No.43367844 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367817
It can work under one condition.

He play a hobgoblin!

>>43366838
PLAY A HOBGOBLIN. No seriously, hobgoblin is the best you're going to do. If the culture doesn't like hobgoblins then clip your ears and wear bandages, claim to be a leper so people don't get close.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:47:31 No.43367858 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367943

>>43367840
Ahh, gotcha. That makes sense, yes. No idea then, I suck at finding art even when it's for characters who look pretty generic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:48:22 No.43367866 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43367882 >>43367892

>>43367832
According to the warder table, they do exist. In the body they're just merged with Aegis.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:50:46 No.43367882 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367866
...SRD must have changed that then, unless you're getting Improved/Greater Armiger's Mark mixed up with them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:52:02 No.43367892 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43367866
Never mind. There they are. Blech. That sucks then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:59:31 No.43367943 Report Delete

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>>43367858
Yeah, as far as I'm concerned it's physically impossible to make a warsoul that isn't ranged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:08:56 No.43368013 Report Delete

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>>43367737
'Improved Aegis' is the range increase of Aegis at level 6.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:13:57 No.43368049 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368089 >>43369200

Regarding the aberrant aegis, is it possible for the aberrant to get rid of its customizations for a while? Go back to looking like a normal person briefly? I figure it'd help with infiltration and generally not terrifying the crap out of people, so I figured I'd ask.

Though, given Transformed Body is a supernatural effect, theoretically just walking into an AMF would do it, but those are rather rare outside of combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:19:29 No.43368089 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368105 >>43368206

>>43368049
Huh. I was about to tell you you can just turn the suit off... But reading it closely, it does look like you really can't at all.

It replaces astral suit, but has no formation (not even a swift or free action). It's always there.

Since it's SU, you could willingly choose to fail holding it against AMFs I guess, and it would be suppressed while you're affected?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:22:26 No.43368105 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368145

>>43368089
Well then.

I guess a GM might be willing to give me a magic item that cancels out the Transformed Body ability while wearing it. Thanks for the input.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:28:15 No.43368145 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368165 >>43368169

>>43368105
Or you can just go for the "can you still love me even though my true form is like this" angle.

You know, using frightful presence from your grotesquely obese carapaced body while you're staring lovingly into their eyes (by holding them a foot up to your stalks with multi-tentacles).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:31:17 No.43368165 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368238

>>43368145
Can I just ask what that even is on the right?

Seriously what is that thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:32:01 No.43368169 Report Delete

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>>43368145
For some reason, my first thought on how the boyfriend/girlfriend would react was him climbing in a gargantuan mech with anatomically correct additions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:36:30 No.43368206 Report Delete

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>>43368089
Curiously, rereading the antimagic Field entry, if your race is humanoid (such as if you took human for the extra customization points), AMF doesn't affect you.

The spell text specifically calls out Outsiders, Undead, and Elementals as having their supernatural abilities shut down, but doesn't say anything about humanoids, dragons, or what-have-you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:37:34 No.43368216 Report Delete

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With a balanced party composition (Wizard, Switch Hitter Ranger, Magus, Bodyguard-y Paladin) should I roll with straight Inquisitor (Monster Tactician is boring) or Sanctified Slayer?

Judgements are pretty good I guess, but invisibility + sneak attack will greatly outdamage justice.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:40:16 No.43368238 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369846

>>43368165
A small, chibified Gomander.
If you think it kinda looks like a hideous psychic multivagina with turretted-shaft dimension-penises that fly in and out of its various holes, with a big blue eye/core in the middle, you'd be EXACTLY right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:41:44 No.43368254 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368369

So, Knifemaster Hidden Blade Scout Rogue with Underhanded, using a Trait to trade out for Primal Fury is super legit.

If you can charge on the surprise round, at level 5 you deal:
1d4+6+10+24 twice.
khukri damage dice + dex mod + +1 magic weapon + momentum crash + raging hunter pounce + maximized sneak attack.

Use Unchained Rogue for Debilitating Injury and some other bonus goodies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 07:58:49 No.43368369 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368418

>>43368254
How did you get kukri proficiency?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:04:46 No.43368418 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>43368369
A houserule from my GM.

If yours is anal about proficiency, then you can always use regular daggers, katars, or half-elf. I believe there's also the heirloom weapon trait, but that only gives you proficiency in one specific weapon, and not the weapon type itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:06:52 No.43368428 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368449 >>43368457

Just got into a a game, looking to play a blaster sorcerer type thingy

Any suggestions on a build?

don't want to overspecialize.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:10:30 No.43368449 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368457

>>43368428
>I want to play a blaster sorc
>I don't want to over specialize

Conflicting statements are conflicting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:11:41 No.43368457 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368507

>>43368428
Try a geniekin sorcerer (Ifrit, Oread, Stlph, or Undine) and choose the elemental bloodline related to them. This'll let you focus on a particular element for thematics and overall power; if you crossblood for Draconic and choose the same element, you get +2 to all dice rolled with the element you choose at the cost of spells.

But, yeah, as >>43368449 said, Sorcerer has to specialize to be decent at what they're doing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:17:23 No.43368507 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43368556 >>43368563

>>43368457
How about a stormborn sorc?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:24:11 No.43368556 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369014

>>43368507
Stormborn is not nearly as good as Elemental (Air) Bloodline, and then Crossblood-ing into Bronze Draconic.

If you think Stormborn sounds cool, and that's what you want to play, then have fun, but I refuse to tell you it is anything other than what it is: Bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:25:49 No.43368563 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369014

>>43368507
It's like... comparing a fighter to a barbarian. They're different, but they're both meant to do one thing - deal damage - and one is clearly a better choice than the other for the role you're looking at.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 08:55:59 No.43368767 Report Delete

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>>43365596
>Not familiar with those; details?
http://www.pfsdb.com/magicitems/boots-of-the-earth

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:28:08 No.43369014 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369026 >>43369046

>>43368563
>>43368556
Kay

How about magical lineage, should i just attach it to Fireball since its king blast?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:29:13 No.43369026 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369055

>>43369014
Depends on what level you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:30:33 No.43369046 Report Delete

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>>43369014
I don't see an issue with doing that, myself. It does mean you don't get any use out of the trait at all until level 6 at which point you can only get limited use from it until later levels, but at that point you can start making your chosen spell much more powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:30:55 No.43369055 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369111

>>43369026
Starting at 1 but apparently we'll level relatively fast, its supposed to end around levle 13ish.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:36:32 No.43369111 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369129 >>43369137

>>43369055
>>43369055
It also depends on what bloodline you have. If you're an electricity sorc, then you might want a different spell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:38:17 No.43369129 Report Delete

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>>43369111
Elemental Bloodline (Air) can freely convert energy types of spells to electricity, so that's a nonissue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:39:13 No.43369137 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369188

>>43369111
Going into Ifrit / Efreet Bloodline and got permission from my DM to apply fire affinity to it as well.

gonna nuke the site from orbit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:44:19 No.43369188 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369213

>>43369137
Sounds solid. Are you crossblooding into either Orc or Draconic to get the bonus fire damage arcana, or just going straight Efreeti?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:45:16 No.43369200 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369260 >>43369297

>>43368049
It's a full-round action to shape or unshape Transformed Body. Now someone go kick Chris to answer that question that's been posted in faq thread in June http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?420178-Pathfinder-Dreamscarred-Press-FAQ&p=19381651&viewfull=1#post19381651

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:46:39 No.43369213 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369245

>>43369188
Just going straight Efreeti, not a big fan of the crossblooded penalties

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:50:25 No.43369245 Report Delete

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>>43369213
Fair enough. hope you have fun - Efreeti is a solid bloodline to choose, and very thematic for your chosen race.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:52:09 No.43369260 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369297

>>43369200
>It's a full-round action to shape or unshape Transformed Body
Not questioning the veractiy of that, but where is that from? I'd rather have the ability to tell my GM where exactly that ruling comes from than say "some anonymous guy on 4chan said so"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:55:58 No.43369297 Report Delete

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>>43369260
>but where is that from?
DSP forum, don't remember old (which is dead) or new (which is slow as fuck). Hence the second part of >>43369200

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:49:56 No.43369846 Report Delete

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>>43368238
How wonderful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:58:55 No.43369922 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43369957

Do halflings and humans share a common ancestor in Pathfinder? It seems pretty clear that they wouldn't share any distant relation with elves (being that they're from another planet) or gnomes (being that they're from another plane), and short of "if you go back far enough, every living thing has an ancestor" I doubt they share much of their heritage with dwarves or orc, either.

Difference in height aside though, humans and halflings seem somewhat similar. Beyond just sharing the humanoid type, I mean.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:01:55 No.43369957 Report Delete

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>>43369922
Someone been breeding for shortstacks.

He like small girls. He like big tittied ones. Now there's halflings.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:19:31 No.43370113 Report Delete

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>>43365891
>entire planet is wizards

That's exactly the campaign I'm building now for my players. I wanted high octane full caster and gestalt game and let the good times roll.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:26:16 No.43370177 Report Delete

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>>43369957

Why does everyone assume every short person is a shortstack? The number of voluptuous halflings is probably hardly higher than the number of voluptuous humans, and the generousness of the former will largely be due to their homely lifestyle, which would make them more chubby than anything.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:27:33 No.43370191 Report Delete

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>Inquisition that grants step up feat

Holy shit

What else do inquisitors have going for them, other than Monster Tactician (summoning is boring as shit tho)?

What're some fun domain/inquisition things to do that don't involve summoning or animal companions?

Do any of the paizo published books have any waifus better than imp midna?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:45:40 No.43370429 Report Delete

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Hey guys, since it seemed cool I went ahead and collected the posts about alignment-flipped gods from the last thread and put them together into a screencap. Here you go.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:06:02 No.43370706 Report Delete

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>>43370191
The fact that there's a Persistence inquisition fills me with determination.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:27:34 No.43371037 Report Delete

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>>43370429
Original Noiralog brainstormer here. Thanks for playing along /pfg/.

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