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>>43374529
So
"Stadium effects" confirmed to not actually be Kick-off events despite being listed outside of the Tournament upgrades, that's good. Still broken and bullshit, but at least they're not fucking with kick-off events.

Tournaments are still fucked when it comes inducements.

Team Value calculations are still broken as shit, because for some reason Cyanide expects you to drop 5million gold into every game.

And most of the skills are nerfed, or near useless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:30:07 No.43374765 Report Delete

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>>43374728
>Most Skills
Anon I'll give you the other stuff, but that last one is reaching a bit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:32:17 No.43374810 Report Delete

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>>43374765
That is true, I shouldn't say most skills.
A lot of skills have been nerfed though, but most of the situations where those nerfs would be felt aren't stuff the typical player sees, or that even a more experienced player sees every game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:37:55 No.43374888 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43374939 >>43374966

The making skills mandatory in their use... it's one of those things where you just have to wonder why.

Really, the interesting decisions to use skills or not in any given play is one of the things that defines high level play, and is ignored by low level play.

Sure, a lot of it really is only minor nerfs because the situations where not using a particular skill turns up are really marginal cases (of course Juggernaut is not one of those barring that it's not even that common).
But they still turn up... so what is really gained by not giving the option?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:40:28 No.43374938 Report Delete

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>>43374529
>Increase the price of Orc Blitzers
>Cyanide claiming they know more about the game than Jervis or the BBRC or the NAF
>Orcs being top tier despite being seocnd tier below Skaven, Wood Elves and Lizardmen

Are they just bad at the game or something? Orcs are the most middle of the line team right there with humans. Not to mention shit like Fend being mandatory and claiming rule changes for balance despite adding shit that unbalances the game in the form of stadium additions.
The fuck.

On another note, any of you faggots going to Deathbowl in Vancouver next month? Four way BB with no referees and two balls constantly in play.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:40:29 No.43374939 Report Delete

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>>43374888
It's there to make it more streamlined and more vidya. That's it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:42:01 No.43374966 Report Delete

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>>43374888
It's to keep the game moving.

Asking to use the dodge skill every time you dodged would get pretty tedious in terms of game flow.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:44:16 No.43375011 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43375219 >>43375316

I fucking love High Elves and the idea of a team where everyone is a badass (albeit no ones strong and all are expensive).
Why do people say HE throwers are the "iconic" players?

I mean they are very good, but its the catchers who do all the cool stuff and win you the game
>tfw 3/4 of them get 5agi for their first level up
>tfw your blitzer kills an Amazon
>tfw even your fucking linemen can kick ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:55:44 No.43375219 Report Delete

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>>43375011
>Last game against High Elves
>My team is entirely skeletons with two wights
>No skills save strip ball on on Wight
>Entire opposing team has at least one skill each
>Setup for the second half
>Friend can only deploy 4 on the pitch because the rest have been KO'd, badly hurt, killed or permanently injured

That's why they're not the best, bruh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:02:01 No.43375316 Report Delete

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>>43375011
Mostly because they're like the Tom Brady or Joe Montana of BB, everyone loves the quarter back

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:15:34 No.43375548 Report Delete

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>>43374938
I really don't get why the fuck they don't just use the living rule book and be done with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:30:27 No.43375857 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376086

>>43375219
Being fragile (and expensive) does suck, and anyone who bitches about "elf bullshit" is a retard who doesn't understand tackle is a necessity to any blitzing character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:42:20 No.43376086 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376133 >>43376474

>>43375857
I think the problem with Tackle and Elf Bullshit is, that if you take Tackle, you forgoe stuff like Block, Dodge and Guard. Tackle isn't useless against other teams, but being forced to take it because of Elf Bullshit still sucks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:44:38 No.43376133 Report Delete

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>>43376086
>you forgoe stuff like Block
By definition your blitzers have that already
>Dodge
Most don't have agi access
>guard
If you have access to str skills I can understand that is important but for a "hunter" blitzer tackle is a good first skill

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:48:43 No.43376223 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376269 >>43376961 >>43377144 >>43377299

Itt really is kinda strange the way they're cherry picking from the Narrow Tier Blood bowl rules...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:51:24 No.43376269 Report Delete

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>>43376223
Oh and their using the inducement system from the LBR6! It's like a cocktail of Strange to Bad decisions!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:54:50 No.43376343 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376376 >>43376415 >>43376478 >>43376538

>>43375548
Because they don't want old bloodbowl blood, they realize they aren't winning those guys over from Fumbbl.
So instead they try to lure in the new crowd, which is failing hard.
Mordheim is another example of trying to get new people by throwing away what made the original game great, though they went to a much greater extreme.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:56:49 No.43376376 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376538

>>43376343
>Mordheim

I regularly forget that game (the PC one) even exists given how little attention it's got.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 17:58:54 No.43376415 Report Delete

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>>43376343
Except they aren't failing, BB2 streams are pretty popular and I see new players everyday

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:01:42 No.43376474 Report Delete

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>>43376086
But you don't need tackle to deal with elf bullshit, just learn how to overlap tacklezones. Don't commit players to simply marking an elf unless you're trying to hurt their chances of a pass completion. If you want to keep elves from dodging through you, be the shepherd and create several layers of tacklezones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:01:52 No.43376478 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376520

>>43376343
There are WAY to many new players in BB2 who don't get any rerolls and then concede after their first one die block is a skull, though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:04:09 No.43376520 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43376556 >>43376582

>>43376478
>then concede after their first one die block is a skull, though.
We were all scrubs once though.
It takes a lot of will to stay in when your witch gets double skulls on a 2 dice reroll for the second time and breaks her pretty little neck

You got to have will and roll with the punches

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:05:00 No.43376538 Report Delete

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>>43376376
>>43376343
I thought the new Mordheim is pretty good. I will admit, I'm a little lost due to all the constant updates, I can barely keep track of what I'm supposed to do to stay relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:05:56 No.43376556 Report Delete

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>>43376520
This everyone starts from the bottom, people should be happy that others are taking an interest in their game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:07:17 No.43376582 Report Delete

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>>43376520
Yeah, my point was there are a lot of new players after BB2 came out and it's especially noticeable on low TV in NAF official. When you're against a team that has -stat injuries but no SPP on anyone, you know the game's not gonna last long.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:25:36 No.43376961 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377040 >>43377237

>>43376223

Narrow tier rules are pretty bad. It ties to balance and fix what's not really broken. You can see all teams at high level play. By not trying to be balanced, BB happens to be one of the more balanced games I've ever played. For one, dice. Fuck up a critical play and the other guy can win. Or, just be good enough. A pro player can take a fucking trash team and use it to beat the "meta" teams. So, everything is viable in BB already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:29:12 No.43377040 Report Delete

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>>43376961
Fucking this, my buddy's 1200TV Ogres regularily beat the rattles out of my 1500TV Undead team, just because I can't reliably remove his snotties from the field. Even had Halflings badly hurt all four of my Black Orcs and my Troll in a single match.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:33:38 No.43377144 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377318

>>43376223
>amazons OP
Are you fucking kidding me?
All you need is tackle and they are fucking toast. By definition they are shittier dark elves
Their advantage is ONLY in the begining and then when everyone else skills up they get their cunts #rekt

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:38:24 No.43377237 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377329

>>43376961
I like BB as much as everyone, but this is bullshit. Just because a pro CAN win with a shit tier team and because the dice COULD screw your opponent, it doesn't mean the balance couldn't and shouldn't be improved.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:41:46 No.43377299 Report Delete

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>>43376223
>high elves are the lowest tier elves
Its like these fags never played elves

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:42:56 No.43377318 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377489 >>43377628

>>43377144
Mathematically, an Agi 3 with Dodge has a better chance of dodging than vanilla Agi 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:43:28 No.43377329 Report Delete

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>>43377237

They can win even without dice. Because proper positioning, use of abilities, and strategy does come into play as well. Everything's in a state of flux and CRP typically does cover balance well enough. So, skill does shine through at times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:51:24 No.43377489 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377646

>>43377318
Tackle removes the effects of dodge
also
>elves not getting dodge to add maneuverability to their speed

Compare a tv 2k Amazons to a 2k Dark Elve team, or 2k anything short of stunties

Dykes are trash and a scrub team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:58:19 No.43377628 Report Delete

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>>43377318
Dodge isn't the only thing that elves do with 4 agi though.

Not that amazons aren't an amazing team. Having a team full of blodgers puts a serious problem on everything but dorfs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 18:59:07 No.43377646 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377686 >>43377693

>>43377489
Dude just because they're all female doesn't mean you have to be so.... Annoying about insulting them.
We get it you don't like the team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:02:15 No.43377686 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43377772 >>43378431

>>43377646
are you actually getting triggered?
My group has a term for all the teams
Green niggers (orc)
Little green niggers (gobbos)
Faggots (elves)
Wood cucks (wood elves)
Edge fags (dark elves)
Fancy fags (high elves)
Spook3 Boners (undead)
Boner Brains (ogres)
Jews (skaven)
etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:02:34 No.43377693 Report Delete

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>>43377646

Are you really trying to throw out the misogyny excuse for him hating Amazons? Jesus Christ, dude.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:07:43 No.43377772 Report Delete

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>>43377686
Thanks for clarifying, it wasn't the name it was just the amount of times you said it. Now that you've clarified that you have names for all the teams I couldn't give a shit.

>>43377693
U wot? Fuck'n cunt, I'll bash yer fukkin 'ead in swear on me mum.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:47:44 No.43378431 Report Delete

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>>43377686
>niggerniggeredgecuckniggernigger

Your friends sound incredibly original there, bud. I mean you got the elves right but
>Not BDSM Fags

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:51:17 No.43378487 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378621 >>43378645 >>43378701

>Starting Orc team based on some guide online
>facing a goblin player with two trolls
>alright, these little goblin dudes should be easy to bea-
>get assfucked so hard I retire the team

Holy shit. Is this really what it's like to be new to blood bowl? Played a few games and half my fucking team got injured and off the pitch. And I was playing in the beginner league too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 19:59:56 No.43378621 Report Delete

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>>43378487
That's what the goblins are supposed to do on paper, they usually should just get shit on though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:01:26 No.43378645 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378904

>>43378487
Orcs are one of the top 5 most survivable teams due to everyone having minimum AV8, but you still gotta be extremely careful around Gobbos with any team. Yes you can mash them into paste with any team but Halflings, but their Looneys can murder even the toughest opponents if you're not careful. They're a team that can either win really hard or lose really hard and not much inbetween. One good turn with my Fanatic against my friend's Necro team ended with two injured flesh golems and a dead zombie, and with that done my players could run circles around the rest of his team.
Likewise I've fumbled a bomb or had a chainsaw kickback on the first move of the first turn and lost 3-0.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:05:26 No.43378701 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>43378930

>>43378487
I know orcs don't have much speed, but a good tactic for going agaisnt gobbos is scoring fast.

It will reduce the fanatic assrape time to a minimum. To this day I cant see bombadiers as useful at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:17:46 No.43378904 Report Delete

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>>43378645

Where should I put my strong guys? I put my st4 dudes on the line of scrimmage, and all he did was throw up all his heavy hitters with a few goblins in the middle and punched a hole right through my team.

Next time I'm considering just putting my trash guys up front and using my strong guys later once I know where he is. After that assrape, every other team I faced just chipped more and more away at me. Especially if they had big guys like Rat ogres, trolls, etc. I felt like I was always either red dicing them or 1 dicing them even when I had them surrounded by a ton of dudes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 20:19:12 No.43378930 Report Delete

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>>43378701
If you're going against something like Khemri or maybe Lizardmen, Bombardiers can fuck shit up bad. Just that they need pass to be able to be really useful. Not really any worse than most of the looneys once they're developed.
And the only way to deal with fanatic rape is to run. It's like trying to beat a deathroller, you score fast or run away.

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