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survival horror general /shg/

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:36:43 No.120694945 View Reply Report Delete

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This an attempt to try and start a new general on /vg/. This thread will be for the discussion of old school survival horror games that were mostly found on the fifth and sixth generations of gaming consoles.

Newer survival horror games are also allowed, but it would be preferred if they stuck to the style of traditional Japanese horror games.

Some games that would in this general

Resident Evil
Silent Hill
Fatal Frame
Clocktower
Siren/Forbidden Siren
Pretty much any other ps1/ps2 era survival horror game

The general can be about the discussion of the story,chracters or gameplay of any of these games. Speed run time videos and images are also highly encouraged. Waifus are also welcomed.

Newest game: Fatal Frame 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qodxweV3o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9L0CpM2MSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-cIGX8kE_g

and some speed runs to get us started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LJl8dORn3U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlAy3sn0uDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrmePnBhdtA

So please enjoy and let's hope these threads become a constant thing on /vg/.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:51:25 No.120707884 Report Delete

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Is anyone else looking forward to Nightcry? It's being made by the former dev behind clocktower.

The gameplay and setting look promising and the trailer already has a lot of feminists butthurt about the way the main character is dressed (good thing Japan usually doesn't give a fuck).

trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVrWn9CY91c

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 09:58:23 No.120708346 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120708669

What are the good horror games for PC that aren't meme games like FNAF or Amnesia? I already have Resident Evil HD, the first two Dead Space games, Condemned, Alien Isolation and The Evil Within.

Preferably something kind of like Fatal Frame or Siren in atmosphere.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:03:18 No.120708669 Report Delete

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>>120708346

Pc seems to be lacking in Japanese survival horror games outside of emulated ones. But I do remember Silent Hill 2 and 3 having a pc version.

Call of the cthulhu dark corners of the earth was also a pretty good western 1st person horror game, at least it is before it turns into a shooter in the second half. Stalker also has some pretty decent horror moments.

Sorry If I can't be of more help.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 10:32:47 No.120710412 Report Delete

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I guess I'll give this one more bump. It just doesn't look like there is an audience for these types of games on 4chan anymore. Which is too bad, since it's borderline impossible to discuss Fatal Frame or anything else like it on /v/.

If this this thread ends up dying after I'm gone, feel free to make a new one whoever is reading this. I'll try to bump them whenever I can.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:36:38 No.120714524 Report Delete

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Well maybe just one more. There's got to be someone out there that wants to discuss Fatal Frame 5 at least right? I mean /v/ is having threads on it right now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:38:47 No.120714675 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120714856 >>120715391 >>120716840

How is The Evil Within? I fuckin love RE, and I know Mikami made it, and I know it's on sale.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:41:26 No.120714856 Report Delete

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>>120714675
I wouldn't say it's bad, but it has problems. Everything feels very floaty and there are some moments around the mid-point of the game where you can get instant killed by a teleporting enemy and you have absolutely no way to avoid it, it's all luck. Then all the chapters after that are just all heavy gunplay.

Still, the atmosphere of the first half is good enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:48:57 No.120715391 Report Delete

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>>120714675

It often feels like it doesn't know if it wants to be a survival horror game or an action game. I also didn't care for how it just constantly jumped from one environment to another. There are some pretty good parts though(that mansion level was top notch).

It's worth playing, but I feel it's one of Mikami's weaker games. I even enjoyed some of his more full blown action games like Resident Evil 4 and Shadows of the Damned more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:53:42 No.120715736 Report Delete

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>>120699532
A channel for playing survival horror classics in the style of supergreatfriend (calm, extremely informative, no talking over cutscenes, showcases the games in great detail and has a dry sense of humor) would be pretty much the answer to all my prayers and I would subscribe immidiately.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 11:58:32 No.120716095 Report Delete

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>>120706021
Kuon is fairly interesting, I quite liked the atmosphere and graphics but it's really lacking in all other departments. It's actually quite boring and really not scary in any way. Not worth the ridicilous price tag either, unless you collect niche horror titles (like I do).

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:01:26 No.120716282 Report Delete

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On the subject of youtube

Are there any youtubers out there that are highly skilled and do challenge runs/speed runs of survival horror games while also providing informative commentary about things like tactics and time saving shortcuts? I'm not really just looking for normal playthroughs.

I'm currently playing the first Dino Crisis and my times are nowhere on par with some of the speed runs out there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:01:26 No.120716284 Report Delete

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>>120706021
I did, it's kinda shitty honestly. You have two playable characters, both who have the exact same levels and both need to be played through to complete the game. It focused more on jump scares than anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:03:21 No.120716402 Report Delete

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>>120716095
>>120716284

Thanks for the feedback. I think I'm just better of hoping that it comes out on psn at some point or that I just buy a good pc and emulate it. Does anyone know if it has a lot of bugs when it's emulated?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:09:10 No.120716840 Report Delete

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>>120714675
It's worth playing, but don't expect it to really be horror. It has one or two horror segments but a lot of it is just action. The setpieces can be cool though, and if you're also a fan of third person shooters/stealthy games, you'll probably enjoy it.
It's been critisized as having clunky controls but I never had a problem with those. Ït has really bad performance issues though, and this is coming from someone who doesn't care much about perfomance. I played the ps3 version and the texture/model pop-ins and framerate drops (even in cutscenes!) were unbearable and kept breaking immersion. It was never patched either because I replayed it last week and it was just as bad as ever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:30:52 No.120718418 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120718714 >>120719223

Samefagging like hell but I guess that's ok in a thread as dead as this.
PS1 horror game recommendations? Aside from the obvious REs and SH.
I really loved the crap out of Hellnight and I wish it got more recognition. I guess it's objectively not a very good game but it was pretty damn scary and I enjoyed the multiple endings. Echo night was neat too but I wouldn't call it horror, it's more of a mystery game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:34:08 No.120718714 Report Delete

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>>120718418
Clock Tower and Echo Night.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:40:20 No.120719223 Report Delete

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>>120718418

Lol yeah, I'm pretty much doing the same. I'm just hoping that the thread eventually attracts more people here once they realize it's up.

I mean there is an actual good Siren thread on /v/ going on right now and some people in some threads actually seem like they want to discuss fatal frame. So there has to be an audience for these threads right? Maybe I'm just being too optimistic though.

I imagine you've played Dino Crisis already right? It's a great sh game, but it's almost never discussed. Also try clocktower 1 and 2 if you haven't, it controls differently from your traditional sh game, but it can still be a good experience. It also has multiple endings.

Parasite Eve is also good, but it's probably not considered a traditional sh game seeing as how it's more of an action rpg. It does control very similarly though and has some great atmosphere at times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:46:40 No.120719735 Report Delete

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>tfw no clingy manipulative identical twin to protect and then ritualistically murder.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:51:35 No.120720093 Report Delete

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>>120719735

Fuck them for actually making that the canon ending. I wonder whatever became of Mio after ff3?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 12:52:52 No.120720175 Report Delete

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>>120719223
The Siren thread is full of discussion of games other than siren though. It seems /v/ only really likes discussing SH and RE.
I actually haven't played Dino Crisis! I remember my dad playing it when I was a kid but I forgot about it since it's never discussed anywhere like you said. Definitely going to give it a go, I have some fun memories of it.
I've tried the Clock Tower series before but couldn't really get into it, but I might give it another go.
I quite enjoyed Parasite Eve, I still haven't played the sequel though. Is the sequel any good? I played the 3rd birthday for psp and that was garbage. I still enjoyed it though because I have low standards, heh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:03:18 No.120721086 Report Delete

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>>120720175

parasite eve 2 isn't bad, in some ways it feels more survival horror than pe 1. It can be fairly challenging on the first playthrough. It's still more of an action rpg ultimately though. I also remember the story being not as good as the first one and being harder to follow.

Admittedly it has been a long time since I've played pe 2, so it may not hold up as well as some other games.

Third Birthday was indeed trash, I mean it could be enjoyable sure. But jesus christ I still try to pretend that clusterfuck of a story never happened.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:21:18 No.120722646 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120723585

Alright, I just did a bit more shilling on /v/. I'll just let the thread die after this.

Thanks to anyone who actually bothered posting. I may try again on some different days; but it looks like survival horror is really dead for most people : (

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:32:37 No.120723585 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120725304

>>120722646
The problem is more that /vg/ generally sticks to small cliques which can be quite circlejerky. They may not even realize this general exists. And /v/, well... /v/ is just full of shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:47:22 No.120724776 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120725279 >>120726190

Is SH: Homecoming any good? It's on sale on GMG and I have tons of credit to blow before they expire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:53:08 No.120725279 Report Delete

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>>120724776
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

It's terrible, stay away. If the game wasn't bad enough, the game doesn't work on PCs. It's a broken port.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:53:23 No.120725304 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120726190 >>120726538

>>120723585

Yeah, you have a point. I guess seeing people attempt to have so many fatal frame threads on /v/ these last couple of weeks gave me some hope that there was still a group of like minded posters.

I mean the ff threads on /v/ can be quite good before the censorship and review score shitposters show up. I guess the fact that ff5 is a wii u exclusive also attracts a ton of shitposting.

I would try /vr/, but I know they don't allow ps2 games unfortunately.

I'll admit it hurts seeing a meme game like five nights at freddies having 500+ post threads on here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:03:38 No.120726190 Report Delete

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>>120725304
>a group of like minded posters
There absolutely is, but there are nowhere near enough of us for boards as fast moving as v or vg. Vg is pretty much a fandom board now, the threads that survive are threads with big fandoms.

>>120724776
I felt like it had some redeeming qualities that made me finish it at least but it's pretty terrible. Pretty much every single SH game outside the first 3 (or arguably 4, personally I don't care for it) have been bad, because they were made by a different team.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:08:00 No.120726538 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120726876

>>120725304
>FNAF

I've no idea how such a barebones shitty game series with a total lack of a coherent story that uses only jump scares and is rehashed so often in a way Ubisoft can only have wet dreams about ever got so fucking popular.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:11:18 No.120726876 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120727113

>>120726538

Pretty much from underage kids watching those obnoxious let's players that play with a face cam and make funny faces and "get scared" at every little thing.

Unfortunately that seems to be what passes for horror these days. The worst part is, that I've seen some of them admit to not even playing the games. Their whole horror experience is watching someone else pretend to get scared at something.

Fuck I feel old.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:13:57 No.120727113 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120727563

>>120726876
Fuck, even big budget AAA horror games like Alien Isolation ended up selling like shit and being deemed a financial failure. The market is dead unless it's a shitty jump scare meme game. As much as I hate horror games shifting more and more into Call of Duty in execution, it's probably to try and break even.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:18:45 No.120727563 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120728668

>>120727113

Now I feel guilty for not supporting Alien Isolation. I'll admit I didn't know much about that game. When I saw /v/ talking about it I just assumed it was the same old jump scare shit that they seem to love so much.

After watching some gameplay videos it seems like I was way off.

I'll probably try it out after finishing Fatal Frame 5 which I'm getting soon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:25:44 No.120728219 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120728462 >>120729006

Wahey, a horror thread! I was looking for one yesterday as I was deliberating over buying RE Rev 2. I grabbed it in the end, and I'm not having a great time so far.

>Moira just staring at me in encounters when I'm waiting for her to shine her flashlight at enemies
>getting gangbanged by enemies while trying to manuever a trap, Claire staring at me whilst holding a shotgun doing nothing, bar shouting "MOIRA!"

I wasn't really ready for this being totally different from Revelations 1, but this is verging on unplayable. Am I having particularly bad luck or is the AI just woeful?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:28:50 No.120728462 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120728998

>>120728219
It's a game that wants you to switch between characters, you can't just play as one character throughout the entire episode. You also shouldn't use that trap, because it destroys something interesting Barry can get later and makes him do more busywork.

Also craft explosive bottles and other stuff to keep enemies off you. They're way more useful than you'd think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:31:11 No.120728668 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120728858 >>120729573 >>120730681

>>120727563
Alien Isolation has zero jumpscares. It relies entirely on hiding and outsmarting an unkillable xenomorph. It's definitely worth checking out. Beautiful graphics and very well optimised too.
That said, I didn't find it very scary- I guess a xenomorph just isn't a very scary enemy? I also felt it was way too goddamn long and repetetive. It's a shame, because if it just had been shorter and less dragged out I would've enjoyed it immensely more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:33:16 No.120728858 Report Delete

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>>120728668
>hiding a xenomorph
hiding FROM a xenomorph, obviously. Sorry about that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:34:54 No.120728998 Report Delete

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>>120728462

I did try switching back and forth but it just felt so clunky I assumed I was doing it wrong. As for the trap, if we're talking about the same part where you put the cog in and all the cells open up I don't see how you could do it without the flame trap really. I appreciate the answers, but I'm closer to cutting my losses and refunding rather than getting back into it.

It just hasn't felt "right" from the moment I started playing. Overall, would you say it's worth persevering with?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:34:58 No.120729006 Report Delete

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>>120728219

Hey glad to have you in the thread.

I wasn't too crazy about revelations 2 either. I almost got the feeling that I was playing some half assed attempt at capcom making their own version of the last of us or something.

I didn't really care for the partner mechanic either and it seems like you were constantly forced into confrontations and holding off waves of enemies.

The setting wasn't completely terrible and I did have to manage my supplies occasionally so it wasn't a complete bust. But I don't know, it just didn't capture the magic that even an action game like re 4 had.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:39:42 No.120729391 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120730213

Not really survival, but it was a horror game. Honestly more of todays games should try shit like pic related

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:41:46 No.120729573 Report Delete

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>>120728668

It does seem overly long and I'm reading that it drags in the later parts. But hey, I'll still take it. At least it's not an action game pretending to be a horror game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:49:37 No.120730213 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120731324 >>120732006

>>120729391

Survival horror or not, I really loved that damn game. I would kill for a sequel.

I wonder whatever happened to that crowdfunded spiritual successor?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ffQLAez67M

Also I'm starting to wonder if I should have just made this horror general? I mean it's obvious that the audience for survival horror games is just too small for a /vg/ general. Maybe horror generals would get us some more posters. Does a horror thread already exist on here?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:54:47 No.120730681 Report Delete

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>>120728668
The game really should have ended at the reactor. That was the perfect climax. The three or so hours left after that point were a total anti-climax in comparison.

The Xenomorph can be pretty scary, especially since he learns from your tactics. Hide in a locker too much and he'll start investigating lockers, use the flamethrower too much and he'll just be pissed off instead of scared and you can't use it as a don't get eaten card anymore. But the Working Joes can be scary too, in a different way from the Xenomorph. They're just so soulless and relentless and creepy looking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:02:23 No.120731324 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120731867 >>120732206

>>120730213
Horror general sounds good, I ctrl+f'd the catalog for horror but this thread was the only hit so I don't think one exists yet. I'd be a regular for sure.
Besides, I personally don't always get the difference between survival horror and horror. For example, I never thought of fatal frame as survival horror as the games give you very tangible way of defending yourself and plenty of film to get by. Fighting is also rewarded with points to upgrade your camera with. But a lot of people do consider it survival horror, so eh. Idk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:07:57 No.120731867 Report Delete

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>>120731324
People call any Resident Evil game after the first one survival horror despite there being tons of ammo everywhere that you're never in any real danger of running out. And yes I'm counting RE 2 and 3 in saying that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:09:29 No.120732006 Report Delete

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>>120730213
Survival horror is kind of dying. It's turning more to action games. Which is sad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:11:43 No.120732206 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120732763

>>120731324

Well I've always assumed that survival horror was a label given to mostly Japanese Horror games from the late 90s and early 2000s. They were known for their tank controls, pre rendered backgrounds and very cinematic cameras and presentation. Some of them also focused on conserving ammunition and healing supplies and often avoiding combat. I can see why not everyone would consider fatal frame survival horror though.

I'm ok with horror general, but I'm not sure if this would lead to any sort of conflict in these threads. I mean from what I'm seeing in this thread, there are obviously some games like fnaf that probably wouldn't be well received in them.

I'm not really sure how we would decide what belongs and what doesn't. But I'm not really too rigid about these sorts of threads or what goes in them or even who should start them or what the op post should say. So if anyone wants to make their own horror generals, then I will definitely support them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:18:58 No.120732763 Report Delete

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>>120732206
Fnaf has it's own general, posters wanting to talk about it could just be directed to there. Same would go for any other game that already has a general.

I always thought of survival horror as horror games specifically focusing on resource management, but I suppose that's really just semantics.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:24:06 No.120733203 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120733692 >>120735234

Are there any other cool Japanese horror games akin to Siren, Fatal Frame or Kuon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:29:36 No.120733692 Report Delete

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>>120733203

If you mean horror games with Japanese settings, then no they seem to be pretty rare. It seems like a lot of survival horror games focused on having American or European settings.

I'll post something if I happen to remember one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:46:16 No.120735234 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120736631

>>120733203

hmm so apparently that game that was mentioned earlier in the thread "hellnight" seems to have a Tokyo setting .

I have honestly never heard of this game, but it seems to be a first person horror game that seems to focus on exploration.

I'm kind of interested in this now, I may look for a rom to give it a try.

Alright everyone, I have to go now. Try to keep the thread alive if possible, but if not that's fine.

I'm sure either me or someone else will make a horror general eventually. I plan on playing Fatal Frame 5 tonight for the first time, so I'll probably post about that next time.

Thanks to everyone who participated in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 16:00:44 No.120736631 Report Delete

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>>120735234
Oh hey it was me who mentioned Hellnight. It's seriously great, it doesn't have much of a story or anything but there are a few cool characters you can meet and travel with, and the second half gets positively trippy. Multiple endings too, one for each character you meet. A hidden gem for sure. The setting is not actually Tokyo though, but the sewers beneath.
If you can't find a rom, a youtuber called MineMnemonic (not sure if I spelled that right) has an LP of it, he talks but he's not overly obnoxious. I personally played the game several years ago so I don't know if it's still available for dl somewhere, I remember it being really tough to find. I don't think I have it anymore either.

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