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/scg/ Star Citizen General - Git gud Edition

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:41:27 No.120622347 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120622537 >>120667417

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/fcf25Vi9

>Current Alpha (v1.3)
Overview: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//15026-Star-Citizen-Alpha-13
Download: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/download
Manual: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/1c1bbpmb3uat3r/source/AC-Manual-1-1a-V11.pdf
Tweaks & Stuff: http://pastebin.com/QRWNvEVD

>Latest Development Update
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15024-Development-Update-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Star-Marine

>Latest Monthly Report (September 2015)
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14995-Monthly-Studio-Report

>Latest Official News
10 for the Chairman 67: https://www.youtu.be/yLjk2UvfFRA [Embed]
10 for the Producers 12: https://www.youtu.be/jx2NSZOGNqE [Embed]
10 for the Writers 5: https://www.youtu.be/u9ZZjMivl84 [Embed]
10 for the "All-Stars" (lol no) 1: https://www.youtu.be/lkaYT3_vXWQ [Embed]
10 for the Designers 6: https://www.youtu.be/pigtF3Xxjfg [Embed]
Around the Girth 2.04: https://youtu.be/HuiVA131ZZ4 [Embed]
Reverse the Girth: https://www.youtu.be/nK6Wxeb0MRo [Embed]
Bugsmashers 13: https://youtu.be/GSIXl4Ug3-s [Embed]

>Jump Point Current Issue
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/601jt7wlfeqf9r/source/JumpPoint_03-10_Oct-15_Pra-chtigen-Unterfangen.pdf

>Jump Point Repository
http://pastebin.com/Cd9wQ9YB

>Last Asset Leak
http://pastebin.com/aGpzF7wV

>Lastest Random Shit
Star Map: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap
Star Map Q&A 1: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15011-Starmap-Q-A
CitizenCon 2015 Livestream: https://www.youtu.be/IehITxsK4Fs [Embed]

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:43:06 No.120622515 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120626991 >>120629749

Here, have some Merlin action with the neutron cannons.

>m-muh pay to win

Note: First time playing that ship and first time since months since flying in PvP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFzYRjzCCBk&feature=youtu.be

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:43:13 No.120622537 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120623451 >>120671984

>>120622347
>those embeds
>that 2014 faq
well, you tried

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:51:12 No.120623416 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120623654 >>120624842

Lmao.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:51:28 No.120623451 Report Delete

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>>120622537

Eh, just did it so there is a /scg/.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:53:23 No.120623654 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120623957 >>120624237 >>120624702

>>120623416
wtf? does he have a glass eye?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:54:19 No.120623749 Report Delete

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Is that some Operation Pitchfork shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:56:15 No.120623957 Report Delete

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>>120623654
Yes. Or at least it's broken, don't know if it's actually a glass eye or just dead or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 14:58:53 No.120624237 Report Delete

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>>120623654
Yes he has a glass eye he spoke about it a while ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:00:40 No.120624404 Report Delete

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Holy shit they somehow have gotten more awkward. The only semblance of synergy that ben and sandi have is when sandi insults ben

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:02:34 No.120624590 Report Delete

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Waa wow wee wow

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:03:27 No.120624702 Report Delete

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>>120623654
>>120624237
>You only have one eye!? Since when?
>Since I was in high school or so! Blind in my left eye.
>https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/144199/#Comment_144199

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:04:59 No.120624842 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120624936 >>120624994

>>120623416

Come on dude, my 4 year old little brother has a lazy eye like myself. You may think people with lazy eyes are funny until you have a family member who you really love, and has a lazy eye too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:05:56 No.120624936 Report Delete

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>>120624842
You might think autism is funny until you realize you are actually autistic

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:06:26 No.120624994 Report Delete

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>>120624842
I was laughing at his hair. It looks like shit.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:07:40 No.120625114 Report Delete

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>>120624936

You just confirmed you lack any coherent cognition. At least we proved you are the true retard here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:09:12 No.120625260 Report Delete

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>>120624994

In that case, lmao indeed.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:10:33 No.120625396 Report Delete

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>>120625114
You're responding to a standalone post

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:11:29 No.120625492 Report Delete

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>>120625396

Redundant?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:26:37 No.120626991 Report Delete

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>>120622515
I watched up until your first kill

You missed almost everything until that kill, which was on a static, unmoving target.

I don't think this counters the p2w argument when someone else's score was, even at the point I turned off the video, literally 10 times yours was

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:54:43 No.120629749 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120629926 >>120631339

>>120622515

You're playing the Merlin wrong. Just wait until I upload my Red Baron Merlin videos, and get those filthy cannons off the Merlin.

Use Bulldog repeaters with the Tigerstreik.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:56:40 No.120629926 Report Delete

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>>120629749
Are you the guy who was in the other thread

Because I was really dissapointed when I watched that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:09:53 No.120631339 Report Delete

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>>120629749
Pretty much. As I said, first game for months and in this ship. And yet I could compete, in my opinion, pretty well.

Until the game crashed as I wanted to eject

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:44:53 No.120635147 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120635513

I rarely watch ATV because of how cringy ben and sandi can be but I did watch today's I feel like they are becoming more detached from their camera personality. (I could be completely off because I have little to no points of reference.) I feel like it might almost be enjoyable to watch if they both just cranked up their snark and let us see the vitriolic people they are under the surface.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:47:05 No.120635352 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120635696 >>120636003 >>120637703

New flight model should be interesting.

Faggots been spending all this time trying to Git Gud at AC and now they're back to square one with a new flight model.

Also Bens new haircut is creepy as fuck.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:48:46 No.120635513 Report Delete

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>>120635147
I'm sure they do it all the time but it gets edited out in post. You can blame Roberts or Lando.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:50:41 No.120635696 Report Delete

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>>120635352
Yeah but it probably won't get posted for about 4-5 hours.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:53:49 No.120636003 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120636227

>>120635352
>yfw new flight model goes full Freelancer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:56:01 No.120636227 Report Delete

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>>120636003
From what they've said it'll be 'main-engine centric'

so we can look forward to weakened mav thrusters, stronger main engines (because they currently thrust less than average single mav thrusters) and design around that.

I think it sounds like a fucking awful idea.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:56:43 No.120636301 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120636442

How do you go from this

1.3

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 16:58:13 No.120636442 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120637513

>>120636301
To this

2.0

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:08:08 No.120637513 Report Delete

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>>120636442

By looking at the picture that started the thread.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:09:43 No.120637703 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120638080

>>120635352
It sounds like the current flight model was Mackay baby and people bitched about it way back when because of the input lag introduced by the fact that it was actually simulating how such a fly by wire system would work in real life and using real physics. And now he has to go back and fudge all the number to make it more twitchy to the point where he now has to add "turbulence" by the way of "thruster variations" just so it dose not feel like the ship is simply being rotated around by its gimbal.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:13:29 No.120638080 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120638551 >>120639496

>>120637703
The current flight model is pretty fucking great. When he explained that the new one wont feel like the current one it's pretty worrying

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:18:26 No.120638551 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120639496

>>120638080
The current model feels like shit and the inclusion of a "landing mode" is a welcome addition.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:28:01 No.120639496 Report Delete

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>>120638080
I have not played it enough to say due to my rig but on principal I like the current one better. In a real Reaction Control System if you push to much force into a turn and don't start pushing out of it early enough you will bounce back and for across your target vector but that is the user error not the machines and it sound like the current model get closest to that while still letting it be a game.

>>120638551
Landing mode or any of the other new modes they mentioned could be just as easily added to the current model.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:28:03 No.120639502 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120639752 >>120640320

yfw you realize there are people in this thread that actually like the maneuvering thrusters being stronger than the main thruster

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:30:35 No.120639752 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120640050 >>120647809

>>120639502
I am all for more realist thruster power but it sounds like they are not even using real physics in the new model, unless somebody can explain what a third order motion profile is
.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:33:25 No.120640050 Report Delete

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>>120639752
I'm not sure what it means internally at CIG, but I'm fairly certain it came after the second order motion profile....making it the third.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:36:01 No.120640320 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120641347

>>120639502
Making spaceships fly like aircraft is nonsensical.

If I wanted to fly a flight sim I would.

All that is required (and I know it is being included) is thruster ramp-up time. At the moment we have instant 100% thrust available. Someone emulated a 2 second lag time to full thrust and it worked so much better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:39:19 No.120640669 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120640828

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15031-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Flight-Model-Changes

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:40:38 No.120640828 Report Delete

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>>120640669
>https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/15031-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Flight-Model-Changes

Thanks.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:45:45 No.120641347 Report Delete

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>>120640320
>tiny little maneuvering thrusters designed for maneuvering being less strong than gigantic main thrusters designed for actually accelerating the ship through space is making spaceships fly like aircraft
Even if this is bait you're just too stupid to live.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:47:15 No.120641484 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120641643 >>120642438 >>120642458

>DYNAMIC TOP SPEED / ACCELERATION BASED ON WEIGHT

PRAISE JEBUS

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:48:47 No.120641623 Report Delete

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never forget the true idiocy of yellow fever fag

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:48:58 No.120641643 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120641743 >>120641827

>>120641484
As in the more shit you put on and in the ship, the shittier it flies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:50:02 No.120641743 Report Delete

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>>120641643
"The real power of SCM mode is that maximum velocity is a now dynamically calculated as a function of force and mass: F/m * T = SCM Max Velocity – this means anything that any changes to the acceleration of the ship (such as loadout changes, picking up cargo etc) will impact the maximum SCM speed. "

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:50:55 No.120641827 Report Delete

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>>120641643
Yes. Among other things, like your IFCS software and the strength of the thrusters. They mentioned firing your missiles would have an effect for instance. This update sounds fucking glorious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:53:14 No.120642058 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120644861 >>120645059

>released to the PTU

Godamn it I don't want to download 35GB again

1.3 is unstable as fuck anyway, patch it to live for christs sake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:57:02 No.120642438 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120642703

>>120641484
>decoupled cruise

1000m/s decoupled jousting will now be the meta. This was inevitable for newton physics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:57:16 No.120642458 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120642645 >>120642703

>>120641484
>>DYNAMIC ... ACCELERATION BASED ON WEIGHT
This wasn't dynamic already?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:58:48 No.120642645 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120642774

>>120642458
Nope, arbitrary stat used to make 350R I-win in basic track despite inferior acceleration

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:59:22 No.120642703 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120642774 >>120643032

>>120642458
No

>>120642438
Enjoy your 200G turns

I salute you, proud pink slush

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:00:04 No.120642774 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120642868 >>120643169

>>120642645
>>120642703
I really thought shooting thrusters and shit would change acceleration of ships.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:00:56 No.120642868 Report Delete

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>>120642774

It does? Noticed it when people shot them from my Cutlass.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:01:25 No.120642925 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120643830 >>120648454

I wonder if they'll fudge this very hard

Because the Cutlass unladen has the same rough T:W as something like the M50..

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:02:35 No.120643032 Report Delete

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>>120642703
>Enjoy your 200G turns
Nigga thrusters don't do more force because I'm faster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:04:05 No.120643169 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120643240

>>120642774
>acceleration
Yeah, but so far top speed has been a static stat

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:04:46 No.120643240 Report Delete

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>>120643169
I've only been talking about acceleration.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:11:01 No.120643830 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120643941

>>120642925
The Cutlass was always supposed to be maneuverable though. And I'm even going to be the guy who'll be hunting them for the most part, so there's no bias.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:11:36 No.120643887 Report Delete

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hi where are the crowd funds

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:12:10 No.120643941 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120644338 >>120644513

>>120643830
Manouverability =/= Top Speed.

This new flight model means if you can accelerate harder, your top speed is higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:12:32 No.120643975 Report Delete

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fug this sounds awesome

I know there will still be a bunch of ED and "virtual pilot" fags on the forums who want even lower turn rates

I'm glad cruise still lets you decouple

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:13:11 No.120644051 Report Delete

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:15:20 No.120644257 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648887

>>120644051
The whole Frankfurt office looks a little bit too fancy. So does the Austin one actually. What's the point of those private outside areas? Just go to a public park or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:16:15 No.120644338 Report Delete

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>>120643941
Sure but it would still mean they would only be able to run away without cargo, or put up a decent fight before they load up with loot. This all seems fair. Obviously it will need tweaking, maybe decrease the thrust performance or whatever. But it's a big profile target and not amazingly sturdy, so in principle it seems like a fair approach when viewing it in a PU perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:17:59 No.120644513 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120644620 >>120644626

>>120643941
>Manouverability =/= Top Speed.

but that's exactly what it means

both are based on acceleration

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:19:05 No.120644620 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120644918

>>120644513
Not according to the IFCS and in the context of the game.

Cutlass can turn on a dime but its still slow as fuck in terms of top speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:19:10 No.120644626 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120646823

>>120644513
Not entirely, acceleration is only one factor in maneuverability

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:21:40 No.120644861 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120645118

>>120642058
Wait is there a new patch? I can't see it mentioned anywhere on the site or the forum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:22:08 No.120644918 Report Delete

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>>120644620
they just said they're changing it you nigger

>We’ve incorporated the SCM calculation in such a way that it is your ability to brake to 0 on any turning axis (x or z) that determines the top speed your ship is allowed to fly

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:23:39 No.120645059 Report Delete

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>>120642058
just....rename the folder dude

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:24:11 No.120645118 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120646278

>>120644861
Nah the article just mentions that it will be put into the PTU before 2.0

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:35:54 No.120646278 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120646427

>>120645118
no it doesn't

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:37:24 No.120646427 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648783

>>120646278
Yes it does, fuckface:
>The first pass we release to the PTU is simply that: a first pass.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:41:25 No.120646823 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120647291 >>120647452

>>120644626
name one other factor

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:46:01 No.120647291 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120647882

>>120646823
Positioning and direction of manouvering thrusters

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:47:35 No.120647452 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120647882

>>120646823
Amount of thrusters, placement of thrusters, mass, distribution of mass, power output of powerplants, power drain of thrusters.

Those are the main ones. acceleration in any direction (and its different in differing directions due to above factors), is just one part of the picture.

This is all in a perfect world were IFCS is functioning completely efficiently and the same with all pictures, which is never.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:50:58 No.120647809 Report Delete

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>>120639752
>first order = velocity
>second order = acceleration (rate of change of velocity
>third order = jerk (rate of change of acceleration)

Basically means they're basing their flight mechanics around a jerk profile rather than an acceleration profile.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:51:38 No.120647882 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648239

>>120647291
>>120647452

you both named factors of acceleration, not factors of maneuverability

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:54:52 No.120648239 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648439 >>120648565

>>120647882
Oh, you literally don't know what either term means? Fair enough, that explains things.

What is your first language anyway?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:56:38 No.120648439 Report Delete

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>>120648239
My first and only language is bullshitting.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:56:44 No.120648454 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648797

>>120642925
The Cutlass will have a different acceleration profile though. The M50 uses lots of tiny gimballed thrusters that can quickly apply their full acceleration in a direction. The Cutlass has big thrusters with fewer degrees of freedom so it'll take a while to bring most of its thrust to bear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:57:42 No.120648565 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120648925

>>120648239
Listen, it's ok to be wrong on SCG. You're in good company with the rest of your retarded peers.

Acceleration results from an amount of force applied to an amount of mass along an axis. position of thrusters, power of thrusters, direction of thrusters, mass of ship all contribute to acceleration.

Saying "well, the ship's maneuverability is affected by acceleration as well as mass" is redundant, because the acceleration is already based on the mass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:59:42 No.120648783 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649040

>>120646427
>before 2.0

nope

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 18:59:52 No.120648797 Report Delete

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>>120648454
>The Cutlass has big thrusters with fewer degrees of freedom

Its main engines are on 360 degree full-swivel nacelles.

It has four MASSIVE TR3 mav thrusters that are all on gimballed mounts that can all point backwards very quickly.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:00:42 No.120648887 Report Delete

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>>120644257
Guess a good working atmossphere so their 'creative' minds can 'establish' themselves.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:01:04 No.120648925 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649162

>>120648565
Right but all of those are in DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS and acting in different ways, in relation to eacother. "Acceleration" doesn't explain anything. Many of those things can change with acceleration in each direction remaining the same and the ship will handle completely differently.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:02:11 No.120649040 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649913

>>120648783
Before the full release of 2.0, obviously.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:03:31 No.120649162 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649725

>>120648925
Oh god, I really am arguing with a child. Ask your teacher tomorrow in school.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:03:33 No.120649169 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649448

Alpha 2.0: Will it have a PTU?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:05:44 No.120649427 Report Delete

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>bane_ofcourse.png

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:05:54 No.120649448 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649820

>>120649169
Probably

They really can't afford to have a massively broken PU Alpha release

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:08:34 No.120649725 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120649995

>>120649162
Acceleration does not mean all of those variables at once, I don't even know why you think it means those things.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:09:28 No.120649820 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650194

>>120649448
But what about our immersive first launch feelings?

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:10:21 No.120649913 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650130

>>120649040
but it doesn't say that

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:11:12 No.120649995 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650298

>>120649725
I'm not that anon.

I know what you're trying to say; that manouverability is more than raw thruster output right? and that there are more factors involved?

Thats cool, but 'acceleration' takes into account all that. If a thruster is busy on one axis, your acceleration on one is low(er). It all eventually comes down to that basic force.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:12:25 No.120650130 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650874

>>120649913
OH OK I GUESS THEY WILL HAVE THE PTU AFTER THE RELEASE, THAT MAKES SENSE. Dumbass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:12:54 No.120650194 Report Delete

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>>120649820
Less important than not looking like complete fuckups in front of everybody

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:13:50 No.120650298 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650598

>>120649995
No, I'm trying to say that that its the combination of all of those things and where each thruster is, how much power is available to it at certain times, etc, that defines maneuverability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:16:46 No.120650598 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651054

>>120650298
But anon.. all that shit defines how its accelerating.

Low power? you're accelerating more slowly.

For what its worth I think this is a semantic discussion for autists and I agree with you in that manouverability is a result of all those factors. But thats not what this shitflinging is about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:17:56 No.120650730 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120650847

ded gaem

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:18:56 No.120650847 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120650730
2.0 will fix it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:19:20 No.120650874 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651127

>>120650130
no they'll release to the public test universe before releasing it to the live stable stream
>STAR CITIZEN ALPHA 2.0: FLIGHT MODEL CHANGES

it appears you were mistaken in a most embarrassing manner

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:19:57 No.120650949 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651123 >>120651261

>tfw can't hack in to CIG and post their internal progress tracking on /scg/

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:20:55 No.120651054 Report Delete

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>>120650598
Right but when you are talking about all of those factors at once, you use a term like "maneuverability" or "handling", you don't say "acceleration". You might as well say "speed", as at all times it is moving at some speed. The fact that acceleration is involved at all stages doesn't mean "acceleration" is the term anyone would ever use to describe how a ship handles, because obviously that is only a small part of it, the acceleration along every axis is always in flux due to all of the above factors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:21:27 No.120651123 Report Delete

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>>120650949
That was probably the most interesting part of the leak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:21:29 No.120651127 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651438

>>120650874
That's exactly what I was saying, faget. It will come to the PTU before the full, a.k.a. public 2.0 is out.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:22:51 No.120651261 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651458 >>120651496 >>120652307

>>120650949
It happened once and revealed they're just as off their own internal timetable as everyone thought they were

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:24:46 No.120651438 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120651747 >>120651948

>>120651127
>PTU 2.0 is before 2.0

you are drowning in contradictions. I suggest you admit defeat now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:25:00 No.120651458 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120651261
Explain the colors.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:25:19 No.120651496 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120651261
Internal dates are internal for a reason, really.

At this stage, any deadlines are subject to being completely changed, and it can mean nothing to the grander scheme of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:28:06 No.120651747 Report Delete

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>>120651438
How about you chow down on your own dick. At best you misunderstood what I meant on purpose, or are actually genuinely retarded. Now fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:30:16 No.120651948 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120652140 >>120652154 >>120652217

>>120651438
>Patches going on the PTU before live is unexpected

u fukken wot

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:32:04 No.120652140 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120651948
I'm sure he's just pretending to be retarded. It's a timeless classic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:32:14 No.120652154 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120651948
He's just trying to pretend to be retarded at this point

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:32:49 No.120652217 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120652304

>>120651948
2.0 is 2.0 no matter what stream it's on

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:33:43 No.120652304 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120652629

>>120652217
Not really

1.3 on live is nothing like "1.3" on the PTU. It went through 6 revisions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:33:45 No.120652307 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120652429

>>120651261
>Stanton Down
I wonder what this cryptic description implies

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:34:59 No.120652429 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120652307
>Stanton Down
>Transfer to the Krugeri
What indeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:36:58 No.120652629 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120652784 >>120652983

>>120652304
just some simple bug fixes and xml changes

1.3f is exactly the same thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:38:42 No.120652784 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120653123

>>120652629
So if there was version 1.0

and version 1.1 fixed a bug

they're the same version? Nah.

Fuck off.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:41:08 No.120652983 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120652629
>simple bug fixing
you are far too retarded to keep posting please stop posting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:42:48 No.120653123 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120653360 >>120653509

>>120652784
obviously not

but 1.1 is still 1.1 and 2.0 is still 2.0

as it's totally arbitrary what they call it and if they call it 2.0 then it has the content of that planned version

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:45:24 No.120653360 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120653123
It's before the inevitable huge official launch of 2.0, which is what's relevant here. Piss off you autistic faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:46:50 No.120653509 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120653691

>>120653123
holy shit you are fucking retarded.
There's a difference between 2.0 PTU and 2.0 Public. Stop fucking arguing semantics

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:48:52 No.120653691 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120653951

>>120653509
>There's a difference between 2.0 PTU and 2.0 Public

yeah, which stream it's released on and whether you need to login to one server or the other, but they are both 2.0, so saying it will be released before 2.0 is pure nonsense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:49:19 No.120653724 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654505

So I'm wondering if the new systems will require a new pass on some of the ships or if they will just make for a greater ship variation. Specifically I'm thinking about ships like the Cutlass which currently wouldn't really work with the proposed shunting mechanic as it has external thrusters, at least the side ones. It would be pretty cool if the ships would be different in this sense I think.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:51:37 No.120653951 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654220 >>120654420

>>120653691
Are you serious? They patch things and change them after the ptu is over before releasing to public. 1.3f and 1.3 public are not the same build.

The entire point of the PTU is to fix things before the live release.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:53:58 No.120654220 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654420 >>120654427

>>120653951
He's an autistic pedantic faggotron, best to leave him to pretend to be retarded, anon. Let's talk about the game instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:55:56 No.120654420 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654607

>>120653951
>1.3f and 1.3 public are not the same build.

they are both 1.3. 1.3f was basically considered good and moved to the other server where it was renamed and nothing more. You could hardly say that 1.3 was released to PTU before 1.3 was released.

>>120654220
you could have simply accepted your small error but you keep replying because you can't handle being wrong even on /scg/ lol. Most amusing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:55:59 No.120654427 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654565

>>120654220
What game, friend? :^)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:56:38 No.120654505 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120654745

>>120653724
The Cutlass is getting a major pass anyway.

But all ships have thrusters that are 'external', really. Most of them are just within a space in the hull to hold them, rather than outside. Can still route thrust to them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:57:18 No.120654565 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120654427
Oh right, my mistake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:57:37 No.120654607 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120655535

>>120654420
Are you fucking serious? The files are different between the builds. Go check the Scripts.pak file sizes between ptu and public.

What about the times where they only release 1 instance of the PTU before public release? They change nothing and just release it to the public? That's fucking retarded and defeats the entire point of having the PTU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 19:58:54 No.120654745 Report Delete

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>>120654505
Right but that's kind of what I mean, the ones with a more internal looking component would be easier to work with/hand wave in this regard is my thinking. With a swivel mount like the ones on the Cutlass, it seems less feasible.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:02:24 No.120655101 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120655276 >>120655781 >>120660691 >>120661509 >>120670213 >>120680015 >>120680851 >>120681296

Post some space music, bonus points for space metal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rMJCxUm0E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7a0HNwNMFk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:04:02 No.120655276 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120656132

>>120655101
Doom based on 2001 good enough? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B1xYw3wo2g

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:06:36 No.120655535 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120655629

>>120654607
it's an iterative process. They can't be sure how many new bugs there will be until they release it to PTU, but it nevertheless is the same content package under a given release name.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:07:23 No.120655629 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120656024

>>120655535
MOVING THE GOALPOST

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:08:54 No.120655781 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120656132 >>120661509

>>120655101
Bretty space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0Js8qdnyA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:11:11 No.120656024 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120655629
some bugfixes and shuffling of files don't make it a different release. I played 1.3f and Public-1.3 and they're the same thing

still wrong lol
>Nah the article just mentions that it will be put into the PTU before 2.0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:11:59 No.120656105 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120661509

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rFwaf2GaHE

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:12:16 No.120656132 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120656262 >>120661509

>>120655276
Sounds space-ish and dark, so yes.

>>120655781
Play this track while racing in Star Citizen, it's from Wipeout by Kraftwerk. I have a feeling it will fit nicely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z272A_91vSk

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:13:31 No.120656262 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120656132
Aero Dynamik is great. Kraftwerk is actually coming near where I live soon for their tour. I'm stoked as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 20:58:31 No.120660691 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120661509

>>120655101

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w34fSnJNP-4

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:08:14 No.120661509 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120661732 >>120661780 >>120661921

>>120655101
>>120655781
>>120656105
>>120656132
>>120660691
shit taste tbh smh fams

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:10:35 No.120661732 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120661780 >>120677097

>>120661509
agreed, you have shit taste in anime

thank you for admitting it and coming clean

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:11:12 No.120661780 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120661509
Thanks for the blog update, I'm sure your taste is much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCgwlcbK4wM

>>120661732
Rekt, nice job.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 21:12:50 No.120661921 Report Delete

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>>120661509
>talkin shit about space folk music

No anon, you are the shit

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:00:49 No.120666067 Report Delete

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I hope Chris can secure investment funding after Star Citizen has been shipped, to make another movie. Essentially, another Wing Commander but in the SC universe, but better. Maybe even a trilogy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXnJr2fn-Uw

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:17:30 No.120667417 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120668137

>>120622347

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:26:07 No.120668137 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120668830

>>120667417
quit trying to spread goonshit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:33:44 No.120668830 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120669284 >>120669396

>>120668137
And how exactly do YOU know it's goonshit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:38:49 No.120669284 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120669415

>>120668830
It's not fucking hard to right click the image and search google for it, jackass.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:40:05 No.120669396 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120669953 >>120670107

>>120668830
Because that's where it was made? And because the smarties have made an absolute spectacle of themselves, and sucked D so hard it's now his home, everyone is watching that thread chewing up lowtax's bandwidth.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:40:17 No.120669415 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120669513

>>120669284

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:41:17 No.120669513 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120669953

>>120669415

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:46:33 No.120669953 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120669396
>>120669513

Well *this* can't be exactly be his home because there's no way for him to defend his legitimate place as the Overlord King from all the usurpers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:47:42 No.120670035 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120670149 >>120670613

Eonwe's story is correct.

Also depending on when you quit EVE, probably not. EVE goons did a very good job of rightly kicking him and then hell purging all of his poo poo from their forums and auth. Which is one reason many of us really had no idea what had happened. There is actually concrete evidence of what happened, though, still out there.

To add to what Eonwe posted:

Lincoln, btw, is thatguy on SA, or THEUNITEDSTATESOFAMERICA as Goonrathi knew him.

This is no joke, but Anders was 100% serious about bringing Goonrathi into ArcheAge, and one reason he purged thatguy was because (seriously) they wanted to really make a splash in ArcheAge and felt it better to "distance" themselves from the goons currently playing because you know, they had serious plans about being a serious power in super serious AA because Goonrathi was somehow a brand literally anyone gave a poo poo about. Anders went so far as to come on our mumble to ask me about thatguy, expecting me to poo poo on him to get the evidence he needed to purge him.

But because thatguy is actually a funny guy who didn't goonfuck, I took up for him, which infuriated Anders further, and kicked him anyway. This is despite the fact that thatguy produced the vast majority of their art and propaganda for quite some time. Anders kicked me because of DBRB, and then initially blamed it on the fact that I was an opsec liability and might turn against their leadership as Eonwe, Stormgale, myself and others did in AA because we weren't going to stand for lovely behavior or playing with people who liked to gently caress kids. I was kicked because DBRB is a fuckboi of Anders (or vice versa), and he was butthurt about us ruining his fishing pacts, and no one outside of the clique he brought to AA giving a gently caress about how much of a spaceship tough guy he was.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:48:43 No.120670107 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120669396
>also

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:49:14 No.120670149 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120670613

>>120670035
Let's be clear: Anders was 100% serious about protecting secret information Goonrathi had, for Star Citizen. A game that doesn't exist, and will never exist. This is real life and happened.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:49:56 No.120670213 Report Delete

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>>120655101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UerTxriT0mI

I don't follow every single tiny update, and only check these threads once a month maybe. Anyone know if there's going to be an on-board mp3 player for ships? So you can put your own music in a folder and play it in game. Maybe have it fade away when you get a transmission...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:52:27 No.120670401 Report Delete

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeVuMMf-jyQ

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:54:07 No.120670550 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>reposting goon shit
reported

go back to 10bux land it's not safe for your kind here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:54:57 No.120670613 Report Delete

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>>120670035
>>120670149
Literally what. No one fucking cares goon, go away.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:55:06 No.120670627 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120670808 >>120675323

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:57:22 No.120670808 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120671109

>>120670627
nobody cares about your goon memes
go buy more gifs and jpgs on your trashsite

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:00:54 No.120671109 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120673439

>>120670808
At least those make their thread easier to read, scroll past all that shit turns 15 pages into 5

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:02:33 No.120671230 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120673439

The worst thing about SA is that the forum style makes it look feel like I'm scrolling through Geocities or a Myspace profile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:05:38 No.120671468 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120671750

Notice how all the worst shitposts are left but the others are deleted?

Shit janitor who is friends with the culprits. I bet it's /v/ed furshitters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:09:19 No.120671750 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120671468
Seriously wtf is this faggotree

HEY GOON-JANITOR, SUCK MY COCK FAGGOT

How about that new flight model incoming eh? Hyped

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:12:04 No.120671984 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120673439

>>120622537
Write an new FAQ instead of shitposting about it then, you simpering faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:31:29 No.120673439 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120671109
>>120671230
>>120671984
Janny went for a hotpocket and left these 3 shitposts up.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:54:47 No.120675323 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120670627
Why is this left?
Makes no sense here

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 23:57:02 No.120675525 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120676310

SC is legitimately looking awesome tbh

all these "muh flight model" shitters will finally shut up. New component system. New physical damage system. Real game to play. BTFO.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:06:37 No.120676310 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>120676637

>>120675525
You bet, buddy.

Now all we need now is for all that stuff to actually get made and implemented!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:10:42 No.120676637 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120676310
two weeks

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:10:43 No.120676638 Report Delete

Quoted By:

I don't know about you guys but I'm fucking PUMPED.

Space.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:16:21 No.120677097 Report Delete

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>>120661732
>implying there's such a thing as good taste in anime

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 00:58:18 No.120680015 Report Delete

Quoted By:

>>120655101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1oF2C7iN_A

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:11:57 No.120680851 Report Delete

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>>120655101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B55FkQrXx24&list=PLuqZTQ_5gsppBogTG8qm5YNbDQyCJSw5s

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 01:20:25 No.120681296 Report Delete

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>>120655101
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhOFC_L7XY

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