>>2763535>It was massively streamlined to the point was basically a party combat game or a tabletop MMO.I wouldn't call it streamlined exactly. It felt like it was designed for a lot more potential complexity than 2nd was when it came to combat. Certainly I found playing a fighter type character far, far more interesting in 4th than in 2nd/1st/D&D.
If it wasn't for you or your group, that's cool. But I thought it was the best thing to happen to D&D in a long time and calling it a "pile of pandering shit" is a bit much. It's a very well designed game and I think it caused a bit of a resurgence for D&D with good reason.
Also I should maybe note I'm also into tabletop wargames, so it bringing a bit of that flavor and strategy was a good thing in my mind.
> it looks like you're trying to imply that because you're old and have responsibilities you just don't have the timeWell I am kind of saying that. But it's more so that it's not just me. The people I game with are all in our 30's and 40's, work full time, have families and live spread across 3 different cities. We don't want to all split off and find new groups because we've been gaming together since highschool and are all friends. But at the same time, finding a spot that's clear in all of our schedules and that's big enough to devote to a good session is rare these days.
Maybe if roleplaying was our only or most important hobby it would be different and we'd try to get together more regularly, but it's not.
As for avoiding 5th, it's kind of like 3rd. I'm very happy with 4th and see no reason to start re-buying books unless what's new looks amazing. And there are too many other RPGs out there I'd rather sink money into.
