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Anonymous Thu 22 Oct 2015 19:13:34 No.2753430 View Reply Report Delete

Why have the games for this system aged so poorly?

When I grew up this console was my life. I couldn't wait to get home from school to play it. My friends and I had multi hour playstation gaming marathons almost every week.

And now, I can barely stand the thing. The load times, the god awful graphics, the FMV with all that shitty acting. What happened? Did I just get old or has this system really aged like warm milk?

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 20:05:19 No.2762046 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762140

I disagree

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:02:30 No.2762129 Report Delete

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>>2753430
I think PS1 graphics are better than the majority of PS2 graphics, to be honest. I replayed MGS a few weeks ago, and it honestly looked amazing compared to some of the mid-lifespan PS2 games I have. It's weird, it's like when I'm playing a game from 2004 it looks like ass to me because I know the PS3 could do everything the PS2 did and better

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:08:27 No.2762140 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762145 >>2762182

>>2762046
I don't know how to feel that for all these long years, I've been brainwashed to think that Wipeout 3 Special Edition was without a doubt the best, most definitive version. After digesting some opinions and perspectives from people who weren't plebians, I decided to try out Wipeout 3 and now for the first time I can actually pilot these ships with ease. If I wanted to play Talon's Reach, Gare d'Europa and Phenitia Park again so badly, I'd just play WOXL.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:12:37 No.2762145 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762165 >>2762909

>>2762140
I much prefer the ship handling in the SE, but the extra tracks are pretty bad though, they picked some of the worst 1 tracks (terramax, really?) and the completely fucked the lighting on the 2097 tracks. It being PAL only is also pretty shit.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:20:15 No.2762165 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762179 >>2762182 >>2762781

>>2762145
SE was responsible for heavy fishtailing boat with its brakes half working feeling. XL and 3 really does feel like the wing aerodynamics are working, slicing through air.

I also working through Vector and Venom in Wipeout Pure, now that I can emulate it in high resolution with anti-aliasing and played with a proper controller. The physics in that game can be described as "IF ICY ROADS AFFECTED HOVERING AIR CRAFTS." If it wasn't for side shifting to help correct steering, it would be deemed unplayable. Fuck that game.

Also just played Wipeout Pulse's back port on PS2. It's so awful, and I would actually say it was a good game on PSP.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:25:44 No.2762179 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762185

>>2762165
XL does, 3 feels like boxcars. SE was an attempt to rectify that since there were a lot of complaints at the time. Fish tailing was also common in XL, I wouldn't say as much as it was in SE though.
>I also working through Vector and Venom in Wipeout Pure
How did you even make it? Vector and Venom in Pure is just HIDEOUSLY slow. I can't do without falling asleep. Shit handling didn't help either. Pulse was a step up, but it was HD that really got the modern wipeout physics done right.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:26:26 No.2762182 Report Delete

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>>2762165
>>2762140
I'm glad someone else shares my opinion that SE's physics are icky. XL and 3 4 lyfe.

Kudos to the anon making the Wipeout webms though, those games always look good. Especially 3, the track design and backgrounds were so damn classy, and everything was super cohesive.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:27:56 No.2762185 Report Delete

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>>2762179
gnarly wallscrape at :14

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:33:56 No.2762202 Report Delete

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>>2762185
making that webm nearly gave me a heart attack I swear to god. Took me a good 2 weeks of practice. Shame I fucked up the part at 0:15 and ended up not getting a good time. those 2 seconds are the bane of my entire existence.
Thankfully this one was much easier, although fuck the blind corners at the end.

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Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 21:36:49 No.2762210 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762534 >>2763038

Because mid-90s is when games started aiming for the non-gamers of the time and almost everything mid-90s and on is basically garbage, including much of the PS1/N64/Saturn library. There are a few gems here and there but NOTHING like the previous generations' plethora of exceptional games.

Again, /vr/ should have been pre-1995. Would have been so much better.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:36:30 No.2762534 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762540 >>2762739

>>2762210
>aiming for the non-gamers of the time
>Saturn.

Nigga. You were supposed to import for the Saturn. If you weren't partaking of the sweet fightan gaems and shmups, you were doing it wrong.

PS1 had about as many good titles, but for every good one there were 3 more shit ones. The quality to quantity ratio was way down.

N64? Well, if it wasn't multiplayer or Nintendo's first party stuff... you were pretty limited on the quality front. You can count the GOOD N64 games that meet those qualifiers on 1 hand... 2 if you're LUCKY.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:44:39 No.2762540 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762564

>>2762534

Not the anon you're arguing with, but nah, the amount of truly good games is about the same in any console.

Sturgeon's Law applies to video games as well.

There's probably 20 or 30 games that are really must play in every console, the rest is subjective.

People often gush over all the JRPGs on the PS1... I really don't think they're that good, especially now that the FMV novelty wore off long ago.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:57:31 No.2762564 Report Delete

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>>2762540
Y'know. I'll concede that's a fair point.

But for the record, I was never much of an RPG guy, J or W, yet I still said what I said.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 03:39:05 No.2762739 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762743 >>2762746 >>2763336

>>2762534
>You can count the GOOD N64 games that meet those qualifiers on 1 hand... 2 if you're LUCKY.
This meme needs to end. There are at least 10 good third party games that don't revolve around multiplayer.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 03:44:45 No.2762743 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762746 >>2762757

>>2762739
Perhaps if you name them. Speak the names anon. It's the only way to invoke their power.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 03:45:52 No.2762746 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762769

>>2762739
>>2762743
I'll help you out even OOT and Majora's Mask.

>Only 8 more to go.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 03:57:30 No.2762757 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762763 >>2763336

>>2762743
I'm going to include games that were either exclusive to N64, or had N64 as their main development platform.

Beetle Adventure Racing
Star Wars Rogue Squadron
Rayman 2
Turok 2
Turok Dinosaur Hunter
Battle for Naboo
Space Station Silicon Valley
Extreme-G
Ogre Battle 64
The World Is Not Enough
Harvest Moon 64
Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness
Turok 3
World Driver Championship
Rocket Robot On Wheels

I even provided extra just for you.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:00:29 No.2762763 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762770

>>2762757
So you provided a list with only 3 decent games.

>Rocket Robot on Wheels
>My sides...

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:02:14 No.2762768 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763347

Late era PS1 games are a beaut.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:02:17 No.2762769 Report Delete

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>>2762746

3rd party, anon.

I have my own N64 favorites, but I don't know if everyone else will agree with me.

Mischief Makers, Bangai-O, both Goemon games, Hybrid Heaven, Bomberman Hero, Wonder Project J2, Harvest Moon 64, Space Station Sillicon Valley and Beetle Adventure Racing. 10 non-Nintendo games I enjoyed on the N64 off the top of my head. Some of them are japanese (there's more japan-only N64 games I played and enjoyed, like Doraemon, Getter Love)

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:02:35 No.2762770 Report Delete

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>>2762763
>implying it's not good (you didn't say great m8)

It's a creative platformer with a fucking physics engine on a 5th gen machine. You give it some goddamn respect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:08:39 No.2762781 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762802 >>2762806

>>2762165
The PS2 version of Pulse removes some of the features from the PSP version afaik, on top of needing 100,000 points to unlock the skins of a single ship instead of 100,000 to unlock the skins of all ships like in the PSP version.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:28:55 No.2762802 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762807

>>2762781
>removes some of the features from the PSP version

I think you mean, the PSP version included extra features. It was years newer.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:33:26 No.2762806 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762807

>>2762781
psp was released years after ps2

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:35:08 No.2762807 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762809

>>2762802
>>2762806
Pulse was released worldwide on PSP in 2007. The PS2 port followed 2 years later in Europe only.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:36:23 No.2762809 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762816

>>2762807
I forgot you europoors got everything late. Sorry.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:43:35 No.2762816 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2762817

>>2762809
Technically the US got the PSP version 3 months after Australia and EU got theirs...

The most based feature in PSP Pulse was that you could design your own ship skins on the official Wipeout website. Sadly the website has long been dead since and I don't think anyone's preserved the necessary stuff that's needed for designing.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 04:44:51 No.2762817 Report Delete

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>>2762816
That doesn't mean you could afford them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 06:56:52 No.2762909 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763948

>>2762145
Why didn't you steer up at 0:09? Keep in mind I'm no expert.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 09:27:12 No.2763038 Report Delete

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>>2762210
Kill yourself, grognard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 14:23:05 No.2763336 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763342

>>2762757
>or had N64 as their main development platform.

Thanks for bloating the the list. Please try again. Next contestant?

Also, Turok 2 was an utter mess compared to 1. I don't have enough experience with Turok 3 to speak fairly, and I hate jumping to conclusions, but I'm pretty sure it's safe to assume it was also lesser than Turok 1.

Also, the Castlevania game? It was the better of the 2, but still... come on. Good memories do not a good game make. I love most Castlevania games on most platforms, but the 64 ones were both an uphill battle.

>>2762739
Meme? Dude. I didn't even know it was a meme. I was speaking from what I've played on the system, and what the selection looks like at EVERYWHERE that still carries N64 titles.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 14:25:14 No.2763342 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763361

>>2763336
>Thanks for bloating the the list. Please try again. Next contestant?
If we made a list of PS1 games excluding those which are not exclusive (even generational exclusives) then we would have to remove MGS, FFVII, FFVIII, SotN, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 14:30:15 No.2763347 Report Delete

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>>2762768
Recently discovered this game myself. Was absolutely shittened.

Best graphics in games are ones that aim for a super stylized look rather than for pushing the hardware. They don't back themselves into a visual time capsule that way, and that's fuckin' smart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 14:44:13 No.2763361 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763837

>>2763342
Heavy hitters, true. But the library could still stand on its own, I'm sure.

Plus, just throwing this out there. Not a valid point since it would technically be cherry-picking the argument, BUT...
The Saturn port of SotN is a total mess.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 20:20:53 No.2763837 Report Delete

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>>2763361
So is the PC port of MGS1.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 21:21:40 No.2763948 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764028 >>2764065 >>2764124

>>2762909
Normally you can just go straight through those turns, but for some reason I kinda fucked it up and went in the dip a bit. It looked kinda cool, so I kept it. Same reason I didn't steer up here either.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:01:51 No.2764028 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764156

>>2763948
>tfw you go so far OOB off a jump that the game puts you in a time loop

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:19:59 No.2764065 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764101

>>2763948
Which wipeout is this? The framerate actually looks tolerable.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:39:47 No.2764101 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764105

>>2764065
That's Wipeout 3 SE, which is PAL-only, so it's actually a lower framerate (25 fps) than usual. I don't know why you're asking like Wipeout games are usually bad, though--I think Wipeout XL/2097, 3, and 64 all hold 30fps quite well.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:42:52 No.2764105 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764127 >>2764590

>>2764101
I could have swore I ran 2097 on an actual PS1 once and the framerate was just fucking horrible. Maybe it was because I burned+swapped the disc?

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:57:41 No.2764124 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764694

>>2763948

Man that's hideous. Such low frame rates. Jaggies everywhere. Damn. How could people suffer through this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 22:58:30 No.2764127 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764138

>>2764105
I'm sure it dips at points (I emulate these days, though I own it on disc and a PS1) but it's certainly not "horrible," especially for the PS1 era. Even back in the day, the GamePro review mentioned the high frame rate as a positive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 23:03:28 No.2764138 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764162 >>2764636

>>2764127
Whatever I was playing was running at 30fps at best, and generally felt very non smooth. The webms posted in this thread are all night and day, which makes me wonder what the issue was.

Since my PS1 is fukt anyway I'll be firing it up in emulator if I play it, so it should work there.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 23:09:56 No.2764156 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764162

>>2764028
I love it when hit detection stops working. This is one of the other reasons to own SE.

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Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 23:13:01 No.2764162 Report Delete

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>>2764156
meant to post this.
>>2764138
It's not too bad for me, then again I played it with backward compat using my PS2, so that might have helped.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 06:11:15 No.2764590 Report Delete

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>>2764105
Are you sure your "framerate" issue wasn't just your memories of playing at Vector speed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 07:24:28 No.2764620 Report Delete

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>>2754450
>I want to get a backwards compatible PS2
So any PS2 ever?

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 07:42:52 No.2764636 Report Delete

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>>2764138

>The webms posted in this thread are all night and day, which makes me wonder what the issue was.

nah your memory is right, no games run without some hickups here and there, it only looks smooth because recorded gameplay doesn`t have dropped frames or lag in playback.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 07:48:10 No.2764639 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764694

>>2753447

jokes on you, I was always aware of how shit PS games looked

don`t take me for a nintenfag either, the vast majority of games in that era looked muddy and dark as fuck with lag everywhere.

I can see why some people prefer 2D games all the way to this day.

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 08:46:34 No.2764694 Report Delete

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>>2764639
>I can see why some people prefer 2D games all the way to this day.
Even Atari's shit as mentioned in this thread? Even a good majority of 8-bit and even 16-bit games (to a much lesser extent) can look like shit as well.

>>2764124
I dunno man, that looks, and runs decently to me.

>>2759585
So, like the Atari 2600? And even then systems with "quality control" like the NES still had pretty bad games (in terms of both gameplay and even graphics).

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