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Dungeon Crawlers

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 09:56:52 No.2758973 View Reply Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2760917 >>2761303 >>2766884

Do you folks also like to crawl through dungeons, and or draw maps on graph paper?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 20:06:26 No.2760253 Report Delete

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>>2759667
Nethack is about the only exception in my book. I gladly use automapping and cry when I suffer amnesia. Honestly I think your character's greatest assest is that ability to absorb and remember massive amounts of information instantly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 25 Oct 2015 22:47:24 No.2760494 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2761234 >>2768552

>>2759028
I could never get this to work in an emulator, got any tips?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:05:30 No.2760598 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2761579

I like dungeon crawlers, but I'm generally not a fan of drawing maps. I've done it before, but it's always felt like a bit of a chore.

I've gotten through a few dungeon crawlers without bothering with maps at all, though, like the Eye of the Beholder series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 00:17:03 No.2760615 Report Delete

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I love drawing maps, I try to do it for all exploration games, even the ones that auto-map. In those cases I cover up any on-screen maps and ignore the in-game main map screen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 02:15:03 No.2760753 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2763941

>>2760052
It's like an evolved Wizardry with a huge dungeon, more and more relevant races, more diverse classes, a better multiclass system etc.
It's a 16 bit game so you need to run it from a 16 or 32 bit Windows. Arternatively there's Demise which is an enhanced remake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 06:47:59 No.2760875 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2761240 >>2762946 >>2768096

Guys, i want to really get into dungeon crawler ( NOT RETRO i've played sanctuary rpg recently), i love roguelike and play them, what old dungeon crawler do you suggest to start? Dungeon master 2 could be a good starting point?
Thanks guys!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 07:40:41 No.2760917 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2760954

>>2758973
I never got the whole 'graph paper' thing. Figuring it all out in my head is what makes these first person dungeons fun. Making maps is just an unfun chore.

>>2759667
And this is why I should read threads in full before typing up a reply. I like you, bruv'nor. I'm not quite as hardcore with the immersion thing, but I understand where you're coming from all right. Mapless is best.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:28:20 No.2760954 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2760957

>>2760917
See, I'm more interested in stuff that's basically unplayable with drawing a map

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 08:31:48 No.2760957 Report Delete

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>>2760954
I've played several games that are 'impossible' or 'unplayable' without maps. The moral of the story is that no game is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:20:12 No.2761234 Report Delete

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>>2760494
First you'd have to tell me what you've been doing with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:22:40 No.2761240 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2761289 >>2762946 >>2766569

>>2760875
>i love roguelike and play them, what old dungeon crawler do you suggest to start?
Tile based dungeoncrawlers per se have nothing to do with roguelikes, unless they are roguelikes themselves, like Dungeon Hack
>Dungeon master 2 could be a good starting point?
Yup, pretty easy game but a great warmup

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:46:58 No.2761289 Report Delete

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>>2761240
This. They're actually very different genres.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:53:32 No.2761303 Report Delete

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>>2758973
I do, except when Trebor's ghost is chasing me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 12:56:24 No.2761307 Report Delete

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>>2761303
It wouldn't be rape if you liked it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 26 Oct 2015 15:55:36 No.2761579 Report Delete

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>>2760598

There's a digital version of a map drawing tool these days so you don't have to have reams of graph paper: http://www.davidwaltersdevelopment.com/tools/gridcart/

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 00:31:33 No.2762525 Report Delete

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>>2759028
>Druid has a shield equipped, presumably some leather armor too
>AC 10

Clearly he got to know the forest so well by tripping over every tree root inside of it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 07:58:59 No.2762946 Report Delete

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>>2760957
Congrats on the photographic memory I guess, most folks are going to have a bad time in one of the early Wizardry games with no map. anyway there's a slight divide between games where the lack of automap is just something they failed to program in, vs other games where revealing your location would make the whole game way too easy. I mean when you see spinners etc in a game with an automap it's pretty silly.

>>2761240
>Tile based dungeoncrawlers per se have nothing to do with roguelikes
They're similar enough that interest in one might lead to interest in the other. he didn't say they were the same anyway.

>>2760875
>( NOT RETRO i've played sanctuary rpg recently)
I got the impression this was basically a jrpg with ascii graphics. not to discourage you, but you may find old pc rpgs or roguelikes a lot more brutal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Oct 2015 21:18:09 No.2763941 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2764278 >>2765056

>>2760753
http://dejenol.com/forum/index.php?automodule=downloads&showcat=2
Are these the downloads for Demise? Which do I need from those?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 00:38:27 No.2764278 Report Delete

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>>2763941
Not for DEMISE: Rise of the Ku'Tan.
That appears to be some sort of demake of Demise in the syle of Mordor 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 13:58:54 No.2765056 Report Delete

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>>2763941
That's the Mordor 2 beta, essentially the scrapped early version of Demise. Demise hasn't been released for free, it's still being sold.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 09:35:22 No.2766531 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768052

>>2762946
>Congrats on the photographic memory I guess,
No, that's sort of my point. (though I forgot to make it) My memory is shit and I get lost a lot. But I still managed it, which means most people can if they don't go in with a "can't do this shit" mindset.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 10:30:52 No.2766569 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2766751

>>2761240
>>i love roguelike and play them, what old dungeon crawler do you suggest to start?
>Tile based dungeoncrawlers per se have nothing to do with roguelikes, unless they are roguelikes themselves, like Dungeon Hack

As a fan of both roguelikes and 1st person dungeon crawlers, the turn based 1st person ones (like Dungeon Hack) are very much like roguelikes, in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 13:15:57 No.2766751 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2766758 >>2767628

>>2766569
Actually not many are. Unlike roguelikes, dungeon crawlers tend to be party based, with a predesigned world and heavy emphasis on puzzles, in particular the latter being virtually impossible to implement in a regular roguelike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 13:20:17 No.2766758 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2766765

>>2766751
You're only talking about one type of dungeon crawlers.
The only common element in dungeon crawlers is delving in a dungeonesque environment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 13:24:38 No.2766765 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2766775

>>2766758
Not really. What is Might & Magic?

The way I remember the term "dungeon crawler" being used here in Yurop was referring to all these first person Wizardrylikes, Dungeonmasterlikes and Ultimaunderworldlikes and only occasionally games that played the same but had a different visual perspective.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 13:36:38 No.2766775 Report Delete

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>>2766765
You can have overland dungeons though with M&M I'd only use that term for M&M1.
Wizardry and UW are practically nothing alike.

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Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 15:10:49 No.2766884 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2767174 >>2768079

>>2758973
If the game doesn't have an automap is shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 17:36:35 No.2767174 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768057

>>2766884
Dumb anime poster.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 29 Oct 2015 22:23:00 No.2767628 Report Delete

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>>2766751
Some roguelikes are indeed party based, like Dwarf Fortress (in Adventure Mode) or Prospector and a plethora of less well developed titles.

And then there are 1st person dungeon crawlers with solo characters, like Bloodwych or Dungeon Magic.

Omega is an old roguelike that has a mostly pre-defined world. ADOM has a pre-defined overworld.

Brogue, a modern and thoroughly awesome roguelike, has excellent puzzles that are randomly generated.

I never said that 1st person dungeon crawlers and roguelikes were the same thing, just that they are very much alike in many ways. Personally, they scratch a very similar itch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:31:44 No.2768052 Report Delete

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>>2766531
In a game like Wizardry you can't afford to get lost.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:37:53 No.2768057 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768063 >>2768081

>>2767174
Panty & Stocking is a cartoon, not an anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 03:44:41 No.2768063 Report Delete

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>>2768057
who cares, nerd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:06:07 No.2768079 Report Delete

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>>2766884
When you have an automap, it makes the first person view pointless.

sega

sega Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:10:02 No.2768081 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768105 >>2768115

>>2768057
Anime and Cartoons are the same thing. Anime just happens to be Cartoons produced in Japan, which PSG just so happens to be, even though it lends a lot of visual style form American cartoons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:24:45 No.2768091 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768123 >>2768669

Does Ultima Underworld qualify as a Dungeon Crawler? If it does, I have a question: Do I have to read the manual for rune spell combinations, or can I also learn those in the game?

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:29:36 No.2768096 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768117

>>2760875

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:39:54 No.2768105 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768131

>>2768081
>it lends a lot of visual style form American cartoons.
No, they just had a bag of rice as a budget, that's why they had made it in Macromedia Flash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:51:01 No.2768115 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768131

>>2768081
Anime and cartoons are a different visual style though. It's like the difference between JRPG's and WRPG's. For example, Ultima is from America, but it's a JRPG.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 04:53:12 No.2768117 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768150

>>2768096
>save where you want
>to win circle everything to stay on diagonal tile
How people enjoy playing this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:05:55 No.2768123 Report Delete

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>>2768091
You need the manual for spells but there are additional spells you learn in the Abyss that aren't in the manual.
Ultima 5 used a similar system and the runes all have their meaning so it's also possible to deduct spells that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:18:24 No.2768131 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768137

>>2768105
>>2768115
you guys been derailing the thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:29:12 No.2768137 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768146

>>2768131
This is a forum, not a thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:46:07 No.2768146 Report Delete

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>>2768137
ah that's true, my bad

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 05:50:57 No.2768150 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768163

>>2768117
Because they miss Dungeon Crawler but are tired of playing old games and want new DC games, I believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 06:08:09 No.2768163 Report Delete

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>>2768150
more like Reload From Previous Corner Crawler

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 13:22:20 No.2768552 Report Delete

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>>2760494
http://amiga.esero.net/games.html

go to this site and search for black crypt, it's already put together with a loader. Tested and 100% working.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 14:20:01 No.2768669 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768748

>>2768091
Tbh you can finish UU1 (not sure about UU2) without even as much as touching magic.

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Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:13:17 No.2768748 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768754

>>2768669
I think water walk comes really handy on floor 3 and levitate/fly is generally helpful to get around.
Magic items can handle a bunch of stuff but you've got to identify them and have them at hand.

I first played the game without manual and got through largely without magic, later I tried out every possible 2 rune combination to figure out many spells.
But nowadays it's trivial to get the spells so it shouldn't really matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:17:48 No.2768754 Report Delete

Quoted By: >>2768757

>>2768748
You can get both water walk and levitate from potions though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 30 Oct 2015 15:20:33 No.2768757 Report Delete

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>>2768754
There's only so many potions in the game unless you cheat.
You get a levitate ring but it's very late in the game.

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