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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 08:16:38 No.16901016 View Reply Report Delete

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Hey /x/ I have a few questions regarding astral projection/lucid dreaming/medition etc. And I was hoping you guys could help out
1.What is the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projection as i have expirienced lucid dreaming before but never ap,what is the difference between the two?
2.does ap actually feel like reality? I mean do you really feel as yourself just out of your body? Is the visuality clear? Or is is sort of 'imaginary' feeling?
3.Im looking for a way to find myself,and make all my desires and wishes become true,any suggestions on what is the best way? Ive been meditating(kinda) for the last few weeks and things start getting better but i dont know if its a coincidence..
4.Any helpful(based on personal experience plz) books/guides/docs about easy ways to meditate properly? Cuz im super hyperactive and find it really hard to relax for a long period of time,also im in the army currently so isolation isnt always available..
5.if you have any personal stories/just info on all or any of Thee above,or anything else i haven't heard of please do share because I am very interested in the subject and do believe that the right mindset will set me free and let my dreams become reality

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 09:49:10 No.16901137 Report Delete

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1. lucid dreaming is a dream, AP is flying
2. no ap feels like data or more ilke a stream
3. exercise. a lot.

idk how the rest

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 10:08:07 No.16901164 Report Delete

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>>16901137
Ah thanks alot,care to elaborate about the 'streaming/data' part? Im just not sure how to know if im succeeding or not

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Hijinks !!qEPyEVMU8+A Wed 28 Oct 2015 10:09:43 No.16901166 Report Delete

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1) Lucid dreaming is becoming lucid (aware) during dreaming without waking up. During this state, people tend to play around in their "dream world" - fly, create/destroy things, become things, etc. There really is no limit but your imagination.

Astral projection, on the other hand, is akin to an out of body experience (OBE). People describe sensations like "leaving the body" or "floating away". The difference between an OBE and astral projection is "where you go".

2)
>feel like reality?
Both "feel" like reality. But then again, what is reality?

3) meditation, practice, read, train yourself, etc.

4) search the interwebs, you'll find stuff

5) I practice lucid dreaming. I love it. I fly, create worlds/landscapes, and experience things I couldn't otherwise in my waking life.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 10:12:55 No.16901174 Report Delete

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>>16901016
For the outside noise you should get a pair of earplugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 10:51:47 No.16901240 Report Delete

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You can ap during a lucid dream, This will make your ap a lot more intense fair warning. People have said the difference in this thread so I wont beat a dead horse. In my experience depending on the method of ap, it seems I am in a surreal version of our world. If it is a deep ap then it is very intense and everything seems 4d and can feel overwhelming, your emotions are loud and intense, even the color seems intense and more in your face than reality. the things you see respond to your thoughts...It could be a bad thing, and it is like your thoughts are naked. Other things you could not have thought of may approach you because of a thought you had...you will probably freak out your first time unless you have amazing self control...I did not. It can be a scary feeling depending on your vibrations, mine were kind of low...If you do a less intense ap (I recommend your first time) Things are not intense at all. The colors are less solid if you see other colors at all. Usually I see shades of grey or everything is a blueish. The deep intense ap method I know of is entering from your dream. One of the steps to achieving this is learning to Lucid dream. The less intense method is entered before you fall asleep or after you wake up. When you get really good at it, I am told you can do it completely awake, but I never cared to practice that far, heck I don't even practice it anymore on purpose at least. (bad experience and bad things around me)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 10:52:49 No.16901245 Report Delete

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>>16901240
Fyi this is how I learned, but there are tons of other methods out there that I don't know about

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 14:29:12 No.16901735 Report Delete

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>>16901016
Ok a lot of people have replied on here and given their answer to your question. As a fellow Army vet I'll ask how serious you want to get with this because there are those that only toy around with the powers of the mind and there are those that seek the truth and study those powers in detail. most of the replies I've read on here are the first type and I'm the later.

A Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:02:04 No.16902559 Report Delete

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1-2.In my experience lucid dreaming is nothing like AP! I was a lucid dreamer almost in my entire life but when I had my first astral projection I was scared, literally scared.. I knew for sure that I'm out of my body and somehow I have to get back, this reality is not my "plane". It looked like the same reality, but everything was weird and gloomy, like in the russian movie "Night Watch" when they enter the 'twilight'. Since that I became familiar with that feeling and it doesn't scare me.. well, most of the time.
3.In a lucid dream you can make all your desires come true, but be careful! I learned a lot about myself during lucid dreams, about who I am, and that sometimes I can't control my desires in that moment and you do something you would never think about when you've planned your dreams before you went to sleep.
4.Only you can train your mind on how to meditate better. Listen to your senses and try to choose a technique you like, you don't have to sit in a lotus position breathing heavily, you don't even have to stay in a place /see walking meditation/
5.As I wrote above I always had lucid dreams, and they are cool, the lucidity can change from a fully awake state to a "I know that I'm dreaming, but I don't really care" during those dreams. The best feeling is when you realize that you're dreaming and take control in a dangerous situation.
Astral projection on the other hand is something you don't want to take easy... if you want to force it then you have to be prepared for sleep paralysis and even for hallucinations in the transition state between the AP and waking life. I'd suggest you to keep meditate and the lucid dreaming and astral projection experiences will follow at a natural, good pace.
You can read about astral projection and meditation techniques for lucid dreaming here: http://astralworlds.com/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:03:43 No.16902565 Report Delete

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>>16901735
I am pretty serious about it,also been lurking for a while just never really tried to ap before,tried a couple of times today - shit was pretty amazing,wasn't too visual tho prehaps I am doing something wrong?
As a combat comando soldier I was exposed to alot of death before and have met some very religious people in the time,also tried lsd (over 10 times),DMT,mesacline,shrooms(golden teacher),mdma.salvia and more.
I guess you can say im pretty open-minded and in the search of the path of truth and enlightenment.
Thank you all dear anons for answering my questions,if you don't mind ill ask a few more?
1.I was told before a couple of times that meditation is not nessecerly done the traditional way (lying in bed/sitting,eyes closed,etc) is anyone familliar with other methods? ( heard something about dancing being active meditation idk)
2.Why would one want to ap if as said in this thread it is just being outside your body? I mean what could I expirience/explore while being in the astral dimension(?)
3.Are there any substances that will kind of make it easier to meditate/ap/lucid dream?
4.How do I reach my sub-consciousness using meditation and how do I know I did it (as i suspect i have)
5.>>16901240
Care to explain what a "bad expirience" might be? Also,how can I ap from a lucid dream? That sounds pretty impossible

Also if any of you are intrested in army/drug related information ask away I would love to contribute back some of the knowledge I might have

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:11:46 No.16902589 Report Delete

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>>16901016

1. Nobody can answer that question, everyone has their own idea, usually either that they're the same psychological event or that AP is out of body and lucid dreaming is not

2. A good projection feels realer than real, full of details and sensations that you wouldn't imagine being able to take in during the waking state, or in any other state for that matter, it's very difficult to describe.

3. Depends on what you want, It's important to recognize the snares in desires and wishes. hard work tends to do the trick, don't buy into easy methods and snake oil salesmen

4. Zazen breath counting is a good way to start, I had similar problems like you concentrating when I started. Zen mind beginners mind and some Alan Watts books might be up your alley

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:12:56 No.16902592 Report Delete

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>>16902559
Thanks for explaining!
You said you were scared during your ap and it sounds pretty intense,what I exprienced tho was alot weaker almost non-visual at all i could only feel my body sleeping and visualized myself getting out of it yet it still felt kinda wierd and as if im still in my body but also not quite. Seemed like everywhere i went and everything i saw was just part of my memory and nothing really seemed different.
Also after a while i just fell asleep which was very unlikely because i tried it only 2 hours after i woke up from an 9 hour sleep so..
What happend? Wat do?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:25:18 No.16902630 Report Delete

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>>16902565

1. There are a ton of different meditation practices and purposes, all related to concentration, absorption and relaxation. Some, like dancing meditation or trance states may involve deep absorption but not so deep relaxation, it's important to find the right practice for you with the right ingredients.

2. That is a really personal question, there are plenty of reasons. Some do it for the pleasure, others to discover distant lands, explore their wider selves, some to assist other beings, etc etc

3. I don't condone drug usage, but most psychedelics will have some effect

4. Your subconscious is infinite and as soon as you think you've reached it, you haven't even scratched the surface. it takes years of practice peeling back the layers
5. bad experiences in the astral usually involve encountering negative entities like demons etc, which are manifestations of your own fears

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:29:11 No.16902641 Report Delete

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>>16902565
5. youre not alone in astral plane. there are lot of others. mostly entities. they are not all bad, but you will bump into some kind of black orbs, amorphous beings, something which lost form, dunno. but also, you can bump into enlightened beings from upper astral (5-9) it depends, but their intentions are not quite good. you can learn there, but dont take anything for granted. be careful, and prepare your self for everything. good luck anon. and yes, try visiting malkuth. :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:32:20 No.16902651 Report Delete

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>>16902630
Thank you for the reply
4.Well I was reaching for it during meditation and I felt like i landed in a giant library,like big as new york so idk really,but my question is how can i start "peeling back the layers"?
5.are you implying the whole astral dimension/world is inside me? Cuz from what i understood it's like a different reality that can be shared by more than one participant

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:40:04 No.16902673 Report Delete

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>>16902641

Wow that sounds pretty awesome,can you please elaborate on how do I reach these enteties and how exactly does the "learning" proccess looks/feels like?
Also care to elaborate about malkuth? From my understanding he is associated with jewish religion(kabbalah) so I must ask, what does he has to do with the astral world?
Since ive been living in israel since the age of 5 ive studied the bible completely and never saw a connection neither i see one now,so please explain?

Army vet

Army vet Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:48:53 No.16902695 Report Delete

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>>16902565
Ok well contrary to what some have said on here AP is completely different from lucid dreaming. To answer your questions 1. everyone has different methods of meditation that work for them and you just have to try different things to find out what works for you. Myself personally I prefer to meditate while in the Astros which is a dimension you can go to while Aping. 2. You would want to AP to reach other dimensions, realms, or realities whichever you want to call them because they are all the same. Aping can also let you see and experience both Heaven and Hell but there are risks with Aping such as having a demon piggyback here with you and possible possession. I would personally recommend practicing controlling your energy and only going to the Astros to begin with until you know how to fight a demon and win. 3. As for substances that would help make it easier I'm sure there is some but I would stay away from them as it would also make it easier to get possessed by a demon. 4. As for reaching your sub-conscious during meditation only you can answer that because just like meditation it's personal to you so only you could answer that. 5. I'm not 240 but a bad experience would be going to hell when your not prepared and getting possessed. I've heard of those experiences and have had to kill a few demons to help out a friend that did that just once. A bad experience can also be seeing things you don't want to see because even with what we see in combat it does not prepare you for what lies in hell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:50:51 No.16902702 Report Delete

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>>16902651

4. It's all in noticing, awareness. In daily life, being aware of emotions, thoughts and free from distractions, even in sleep. Library imagery is a good start, next time start looking up those books and see what you find..

5. This is a REALLY slippery slope we're going down and a subject that's difficult to condense into language in a way that makes sense, I'd rather not say too much. It all depends on what you actually believe this is but essentially, you're never alone in the astral but that doesn't mean other entities are separate from you. In a way, the entire universe is "inside you". But people tend to get obsessed with what's "out there", carried away and start having problems when they read too much into negative encounters, especially with biblical imagery, to the point that they either think themselves cursed or start waging "astral warfare" for all that is holy - not noticing the huge amount of energy they are putting into these events, feeding them. There is no "out there" separate from you, you draw encounters that match your state of mind. There may be mischievous entities who feed on this stuff but not really actual malignant or "evil" ones, the multiverse isn't that binary. You have a tremendous amount of control in what you draw to yourself in your voyage, but distractions and subconscious aspects like fears will impact them, which is why it's important to develop a keen sense of awareness

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Anonymous Wed 28 Oct 2015 19:53:22 No.16902705 Report Delete

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>>16902673
reaching entities is easy, cos most of the time they find you. they just feed upon your life energy (prana) coa youre there in form as you remember your self (like human being) after practicing and going multiple times there, you will learn to shape shift your self, because youre just a ball of energy. so, there are lot of people(entities) so you will be one too.
malkuth is supposed to be a created place, a sustainable place on upper astral (3rd dimension of upper astral). thats like a city with beautiful landscapes, where lot of imaginary things live, like dwarfs, goblins, wizards, fairies... but beside that you have and darkish stuff (they are always present) and be careful, you can bump on preachers all in white talking about everything you ever wanted to know (life suckers or false guides), and also there are succubus (sexy women which sucks sexual energy by act of sex or masturbation)... i have been there once, we were doing group AP and guy lead us there, he explained everything before we "went", if you ever succeed ask anyone to TELL you how to get there. dont follow them. malkuth also has some stuff kabbalah, and its apparently connected cos malkuth represents some kind of level / dimension. im not aure i have never study kabbalah. :)

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